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wargey wrote:
He is second in line he has no Bs because he dose not need it as all his wepons are for cc as I stated he is pretty tough
All his buffs will be for CC
How dose this sound
You're defences are your wepons
All units with a SS gain +1A
Rage for each wound he gets +1A
Wargear
TDA
Hammer of the firedrakes
A master crafted thunder hammer
SS
Cloak of the firedrakes
4++ save
Promeethean brandings
May take the fire anvil +150
It has cramite plating
Defencive flame storm cannon

Wait. He has 4 attacks. Give him a SS he has 5. He takes a wound, that's 6. Another wound is 7. 7 TH attacks, a 2+ armor save, a 3++ for the SS (or is a 4++? You contradict yourself), and a 4++ against flame weapons?

Oh, and he's T5. And LD10. I don't think you understand balance well enough, 7 TH attacks with that much defense is....um.....really too good.....

And not being 100% familiar here, is this character an actual character or a made up one for the dex? If he's real, the Sallies are total morons for making a Sergeant the second-in-line to the "Chapter Master". That's sad.

EDIT: I just did a bit of research. He does exist, and he is a Terminator Assault Sergeant. Okay, that changes things. He is still too good, but I guess he can carry TDA and an SS/TH. Just lower attacks and things. I have not read anything that states he is second-in-line however...

A Sergeant wouldn't have TDA, he wouldn't have a TH, he would carry a ranged weapon, and he wouldn't be this awesome. Im starting to lose my patience with this, since you started to do good and steer in the right direction but you just...stopped....

You honestly don't get it. You need more organization to the way you post units, you need POINTS. Stats are crap if you don't give points to the units. Really, take your time. List the unit name, the unit type (like Character, Unique, etc.), the unit stats in a list form, then the war-gear, then the special rules. It's really simple to format. Right now, it's hard to understand who has what, what it costs, and what it does.


Okay, honestly here's what you should do. Stop making new stuff for the moment. Go back, take ALL your old ideas and units, and re-format them. List them the way I said, starting with generic HQ's, then Special HQ's, then Troops, then Elites, then FA, then HS. Please, please, PLEASE do this. It makes it much easier to read, much easier to use, and much easier to help you out. We WANT to help, but with what you are giving us it's hard to.

wargey wrote:
He is second in line he has no Bs because he dose not need it as all his wepons are for cc as I stated he is pretty tough

Every marine has a BS, even the ones with no shooting. He is not second in line. Not in even remotely. He is a sergeant. And he's tough, but not T5 tough.

Seriously, you have a very poor understanding of the fluff and how to create anything reasonable, sensible, or balanced. I want you to legitimately understand that nearly everything you've posted is either blatantly false, hilariously overpowered, or just nonsensical. Then I want you to understand why your units are broken or wrong.

You're trying my patience, boy.

wargey wrote:
He is second in line he has no Bs because he dose not need it as all his wepons are for cc as I stated he is pretty tough As I said eariler, use punctuation. I know you're 12, but come on. At least try.
All his buffs will be for CC A vast majority of characters have plenty of buffs for CC.
How dose this sound
You're defences are your wepons If you meant to type "Your Defenses are your Weapons" I think that'd be pretty cool. Do I seriously have to go over the difference between your and you're?
All units with a SS gain +1A
Rage for each wound he gets +1A
Wargear
TDA
Hammer of the firedrakes
A master crafted thunder hammer
SS So, a 3++ save
Cloak of the firedrakes
4++ save and a 4++ save. Which is negated by the SS save.
Promeethean brandings
May take the fire anvil +150
It has cramite plating
Defencive flame storm cannonIt's a flamestorm cannon. It's not really defensive.

You clearly are not making an effort to balance your characters. If you like reading, that's awesome. Keep reading. But you seem to be doing what I did with my first couple characters, which was not play the actual game enough to understand proper balance.

You HAVE to play the game. Use Codex: SM and play a Vulkan He'Stan list. Play a few games (at least 3) before making any more changes to this "codex".

I've played about 9000 games with he'stan.
He is ok.
Because it is defenceive it can overwatch.
My phone says I spell your wrong and you're.
Ye scrap rage.
He is a bit like a lysander sargent not a tellion sargent.
Sory I was desing a truck whith a invun and a thunder hammer(not literaly)
Preator
Ok sargent stat line.
Master crafted hammer
SS
TDA
Rules
Your defnces are your wepons
All units have +1A from a SS
Smash
If he moved more than 6inc in to CC he gets the buff from a digie laser
All guns no hammers blazing
When he dies he swings his hammer round and every thing in base contact takes a thunder hammer hit
Don't call me boy
Ok for tu'shan
the wrath of noctrune
R- Sx2 AP1 I2 concusive, murderous strike

wargey wrote:
I've played about 9000 games with he'stan.

Oh lawdy! 9000 games! That's what, nearly 9 games a day for three years?

Sounds legit.

 Blacksails wrote:

wargey wrote:
I've played about 9000 games with he'stan.

Oh lawdy! 9000 games! That's what, nearly 9 games a day for three years?

Sounds legit.

He's 12, 9000 games (just with He'Stan mind you), if you play 9 games a day that's just about 3 years. He would be 9. That's really rough mental math mind you, but still. Also, he can call you boy. Most people on here are likely much older than you. If being called boy offends you, you are gonna have much bigger problems.

Okay the rules. Im having some issues here, so he is a Independent Character with Sergeant stats. He has a 2+, 3++. Everything looks.....okay....then again, I can't remember the Sergeant stats off the top of my head, and my codex isn't nearby at the moment. What are the point values for him? Still missing that...

wargey wrote:
I've played about 9000 games with he'stan. 9000? Of course...
He is ok. No, he really isn't
Because it is defenceive it can overwatch.Being "defensive" (which by the way isn't even a rule in the BRB) makes no difference to being able to fire Overwatch. All templates can fire WoD anyway so I don't see how this changes anything.
My phone says I spell your wrong and you're. For the love of god, try to at least check your posts, you can't rely on your phone to correct every mistake.

Ye scrap rage.
He is a bit like a lysander sargent not a tellion sargent. Lysander is a Captain, Telion is a Sergeant.
Sory I was desing a truck whith a invun and a thunder hammer(not literaly)
Preator
Ok sargent stat line.
Master crafted hammer
SS
TDA No. Sergeants should not have access to TDA.
Rules
Your defnces are your wepons
All units have +1A from a SS As if SS need any boosts.
Smash
If he moved more than 6inc in to CC he gets the buff from a digie laser
All guns no hammers blazing
When he dies he swings his hammer round and every thing in base contact takes a thunder hammer hit
Don't call me boy You're 12. You are a boy. Don't get hissy when there are far bigger issues to deal with/
Ok for tu'shan
the wrath of noctrune
R- Sx2 AP1 I2 concusive, murderous strike Ok, no Ap1, and what is Murderous Strike?

wargey wrote:
I've played about 9000 games with he'stan. I don't know how many you've actually played, but you're simply going to hard to fast with the changing of the stuff.
He is ok.
Because it is defenceive it can overwatch. That's not a thing.
My phone says I spell your wrong and you're. Do not rely on technology to fix your mistakes.
Ye scrap rage.
He is a bit like a lysander sargent not a tellion sargent.
Sory I was desing a truck whith a invun and a thunder hammer(not literaly)
Preator
Ok sargent stat line.
Master crafted hammer
SS
TDA
Rules
Your defnces are your wepons
All units have +1A from a SS
Smash
If he moved more than 6inc in to CC he gets the buff from a digie laser
All guns no hammers blazing
When he dies he swings his hammer round and every thing in base contact takes a thunder hammer hit
Don't call me boy Sir, you are 12.
Ok for tu'shan
the wrath of noctrune
R- Sx2 AP1 I2 concusive, murderous strike

Get off of your phone! Stop posting via phone. Not only is the formatting weird, but the spelling and punctuation is non-existent. Get on an actual computer. Then, tone down your ideas. It is fantastic that you're so creative, but dude, you need to listen to us. We aren't telling you things because we just feel like being mean, we're saying stuff because we want you to succeed.

Can't laptops out of action (bt wifi down)
He is a upgrade for a firedrake sq (bit like justicator thawn)


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Sory it is a lrp with cramite plating.

Sory ment AP 2 on Tu'Shans wepon

wargey wrote:
Can't laptops out of action (bt wifi down)
He is a upgrade for a firedrake sq (bit like justicator thawn)


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Sory it is a lrp with cramite plating.

Sory ment AP 2 on Tu'Shans wepon

I feel like you aren't listening to the actual advice. Serious question, are you actually reading anything anyone has been saying? We don't care about the little tweaks, or the small changes. We're trying to get you to understand why everything you've created so far is so broken and nonsensical. Take ALL the advice and create something that resembles a unit/character from an existing codex with small changes.

Take a minute to reply to our advice and suggestions so we know you're actually listening and not just taking what you want to hear and ignoring the rest.

Guys this kid is obvi a troll, he is just talking out his ass, making up bull gak stuff, he is just playing you all.

And on the rare off chance he is not a troll he is a stupid child that will not listen to reason, let him make his gakky rules the way he wants, then have him either A) turn them into GW and have them laugh at his attempt and a horrible codex, or B) have him try and play this at his FLGS which will again like A laugh him out of the building.

Ill show you blackspacehaker what I can do

wargey wrote:
Ill show you blackspacehaker what I can do

You've pretty much been showing us what you can do over the past 8 pages of this train-wreck thread.

Why are people still here, makes other real threads cry.

 cormadepanda wrote:
Why are people still here, makes other real threads cry.

I'm still her because I'm genuinely amazed how someone can write such terrible, abysmal rules while also typing in barely legible English.

I haven't seen a thread in this section this bad since right after C:GK and the huge spat of terrible fan fic overpowered characters.

And I genuinely tried to help.

wargey wrote:
Ill show you blackspacehaker what I can do

Mkay. At this point, if the next entry isn't up to par I don't think anyone will stick around after all the help we've desperatly tried to give


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 cormadepanda wrote:
Why are people still here, makes other real threads cry.

For the most part im still here because I don't like totally giving up on people. I think he has an interesting idea, and I feel like we can make it work, but im patience is pretty much gone. And anyone who knows me knows that I have a pretty large amount of patience and it takes a while before I actually become angry or upset with someone (and it takes a pretty good reason. Usually if I sound argumental, upset, or otherwise angry over here im usually not actually said emotion and most likely being sarcastic)

 cormadepanda wrote:
Why are people still here, makes other real threads cry.

If wargey would listen, he might learn how to make some decent rules at some point, even if they were not good to play with, he could at least create and balance them. I am only 16, and I have attempted to develop rules in the 3 and a half years I have played their games. I am not claiming to be an excellent rules designer, but with enough research I could find a way to make something moderately balanced and fluff accurate. If wargey would simply listen (and have decent grammar, no offense intended wargey.) And if he would stop throwing out more rules instead of listening, revising, scraping some stuff, he might succeed. Also, if he had come in, in the beginning, with the intention to create balanced rules that people would enjoy playing with, he would probably have more success. The people who have tried to help him have been reduced to bashing him into submission and thought. If it works, maybe some day he can come back and be decent at making rules.

Ahahah if that does not prove he is a troll nothing else will.

this kid is just dumb, im usualy a really nice person and really like to help people, but i cant be nice or help people who cant help them selfs.
Balls in your cort kid and i, and others, are done playing. So either keep playing by your self makeing your own rules that no one else will follow or even consider, or prove us all wrong and pull off a slam dunk and show us all. Show me good rules, that are no op as all hell, a well formated, correct spelling, correct grammer and you will have my full support, hell ill even help make i into a physical codex to snd in to gw.

Your move

PS. Dont know how i managed to put this into a basketball thing but i did, and i hate b ball lol

 cormadepanda wrote:
Why are people still here, makes other real threads cry.

No offence to OP, but I find this thread hilarious. It keeps me happy and amused when I read wargey's rules on school computers during recesses.
That, and I TRIED to help, but ended up as a scapegoat for broken rules.

Right first thing sticks an stones will brake my bones but names will never hurt me.
Ok what do you think with my motf I was thinking of bumping the cost up to 230.
It is on the front page


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Now your move you gunna slip round me as I miss my tackle on will I smash you into oblivon.

wargey wrote:
Right first thing sticks an stones will brake my bones but names will never hurt me. Brake?You mean break?
Ok what do you think with my motf I was thinking of bumping the cost up to 230. Go for it.
It is on the front page


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Now your move you gunna slip round me as I miss my tackle on will I smash you into oblivon.Aaaaaand credibility lost.

You also need to write out the stuff. Make it compact and easy to read.

The bit was for blackspace hacker
Doing it now

Maybe we want to consider having a mod close this thread, so we can open a new, less spamy one? Because right now it's going on 9 pages of not a whole lot. Then on that new thread post everything in a clear, concise manner so more people will read it and more people will want to comment on it.

It's too early in the morning for me to be fully operating right now (6:30 AM), so once I wake up a bit I will have to check it out

Kk just let me copy every thing


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Its all ready I've copied it ready to close this one and start afresh

So now we just report the thread, or wait?

Wargey, please, do not start another thread in this section of the forum.

You honestly need to learn a lot more about balance and, well, everything about this game, including fluff. There is literally nothing in this thread even worth saving or salvaging as it is so broken you might as well start from scratch.

 Blacksails wrote:
Wargey, please, do not start another thread in this section of the forum.

You honestly need to learn a lot more about balance and, well, everything about this game, including fluff. There is literally nothing in this thread even worth saving or salvaging as it is so broken you might as well start from scratch.

If he actually will listen to other people, he might be able to make something of it. I understand your concern about his imbalance, but this could be a learning experience for him.

 Lord Magnus wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Wargey, please, do not start another thread in this section of the forum.

You honestly need to learn a lot more about balance and, well, everything about this game, including fluff. There is literally nothing in this thread even worth saving or salvaging as it is so broken you might as well start from scratch.

If he actually will listen to other people, he might be able to make something of it. I understand your concern about his imbalance, but this could be a learning experience for him.

We've spent 8 pages of a 'learning experience', where he ignored the overwhelming majority of legitimately excellent, fair, and constructive advice. It fell on deaf ears.

But he has changed his stance. If it turns into another thread full on nonsensical stupidity, then I will be content to leave wargey to write his own silly rules on his own silly thread. If he is willing to stop and listen to advice, however, I would be happy to help him.

 Lord Magnus wrote:
But he has changed his stance. If it turns into another thread full on nonsensical stupidity, then I will be content to leave wargey to write his own silly rules on his own silly thread. If he is willing to stop and listen to advice, however, I would be happy to help him.

I'm sure we'd all be happy to help if he listened and wrote in a legible format, but this thread certainly didn't give me a lot of hope.

I guess we can only see what will happen, but considering McNinja started a new Sallies proposed rules thread he might have some competition.