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If a troop dual wields pistols, does he get two shots in the shooting phase

If a troop has two close combat weapons equipped, but the unit listing states that they may carry a pistol as well, do they get to shoot

-Your answers may determine the fate of an entire ork army!

 Scambone wrote:
If a troop dual wields pistols, does he get two shots in the shooting phase

Yes, see page 52

If a troop has two close combat weapons equipped, but the unit listing states that they may carry a pistol as well, do they get to shoot

If they have a pistol, they can shoot. Doesn't matter how many other weapons are being carried.

 Scambone wrote:
If a troop dual wields pistols, does he get two shots in the shooting phase

If a troop has two close combat weapons equipped, but the unit listing states that they may carry a pistol as well, do they get to shoot

-Your answers may determine the fate of an entire ork army!

What ork unit or model has the option to have 'two pistols'? None that I am aware of.

What ork unit or model has the option to have 'Two close combat weapons and an additional pistol'? Even the Megamek has a shoota and potentially two powerklaws so he doesn't have a pistol. I can't think of any orks which fit this either.

nkelsch wrote:

 Scambone wrote:
If a troop dual wields pistols, does he get two shots in the shooting phase

If a troop has two close combat weapons equipped, but the unit listing states that they may carry a pistol as well, do they get to shoot

-Your answers may determine the fate of an entire ork army!

What ork unit or model has the option to have 'two pistols'? None that I am aware of.

What ork unit or model has the option to have 'Two close combat weapons and an additional pistol'? Even the Megamek has a shoota and potentially two powerklaws so he doesn't have a pistol. I can't think of any orks which fit this either.

He's most likely fighting against Orks.

Only walkers or monstrous creatures can shoot two different weapons in the shooting phase. Regular dudes, no.

Incorrect. Gunslinger rule.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Incorrect. Gunslinger rule.

And Tau units with Multi-trackers.

Ha! You really can't make any statement without ending with "unless stated otherwise".

Not many units, or even models, can take two pistols though. How is this going to affect the "fate of an entire ork army"?

Seraphim squad comes standard with dual pistols.

Unless there is something stated in their codex extry, modelling a unit with 2 pistols means nothing.

Several of my CSM models have 2 pistols (just because itl ooks quite cool). They just count as a normal close combat weapon.

You still only get 1 shot in the shooting phase.




EDIT - Incorrect. I have since been made aware of the gunslinger rule.

There quiet alot of space marine stuff that can take 2 pistols (well at least in blood angels)
they all come as default with bolt pistol
the captain, honor guard, almost all seargants , stergaurd, vangaurd have acces to one of the options to swap either there bolter for a pistal, or there chainsword for a pistal.
i assume if you did this you could use the gunslinger rule and fire with both pistols

it does seem to mainly marines that can have 2 pistols, not seen many in any other codexs

Sisters of Battle.
Done, a non-marine army that can have gunslingers.

Imperial Guard have multiple models that can do it. So do, Eldar and Dark Eldar.

Most HQ's have a Swap X or Y for a pistol for blah points.

 pretre wrote:
Imperial Guard have multiple models that can do it. So do, Eldar and Dark Eldar.

Most HQ's have a Swap X or Y for a pistol for blah points.

Eldar cannot. Everyone who can have a pistol starts with one, or can only have 1 pistol.

Whoops, my bad.

Yay for Creed having 2 Hotshot laspistols and firing both like the obese western cowboy that he is!

Aside from gunslinger models can only shoot one weapon like in 5th right? Say a biker can only either shoot his boltpistol or his mounted bolter but not both... right?

So I have a Dark Eldar Archon. Comes standard with a ccw and splinter pistol.

His Options read:
Replace close combat weapon and/or splinter pistol with:

Can I replace the ccw with a blast pistol and replace the splinter pistol with a second blast pistol and benefit from the gunslinger rule?

Forgive me if I'm out in left field somewhere. I don't have my rulebook handy.

Yes.

A good number of Chaos Space Marine Champions can and get both shots. It's why I picked up a Cypher model...run a unit of Fallen Angels as CSM with a dual pistol wielding Champion.

 BunkerBob wrote:
Yay for Creed having 2 Hotshot laspistols and firing both like the obese western cowboy that he is!

Doesn't his rule specifically state that they are treated as a single twin-linked hot-shot laspistol? Our did it get FAQ'd?


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 Lord Yayula wrote:
Aside from gunslinger models can only shoot one weapon like in 5th right? Say a biker can only either shoot his boltpistol or his mounted bolter but not both... right?

Vehicles, MC's, Gunslingers, are always the exception. Bikes depend on the number of riders (so Attack Bikes get to fire two weapons). There are also a few exceptions within done of the codices.

Wait, so giving a model 2 pistols automatically gives them the gunslinger USR?

Surely they need to have that from the start.

If a CSM Champion gets a bolt pistol and plasma pistol in its wargear then i would think you would have to choose whcih one to shoot, not shoot both.

It's not a rule of the model, it's a rule of the pistol. So everyone with a pistol (in this case 2 pistols) gets the rule. It's even in the weapons-section and not in the usr-section.

 Praxiss wrote:
Wait, so giving a model 2 pistols automatically gives them the gunslinger USR?

Surely they need to have that from the start.

If a CSM Champion gets a bolt pistol and plasma pistol in its wargear then i would think you would have to choose whcih one to shoot, not shoot both.

Gunslinger isn't a USR, it's a rule Pistols have. Page 52.

wow that was a deeper debate than I expected. I thought I'd just get a "No".

To clarify, I am modelling a couple of boyz with a pair of sluggas rather than a slugga and a choppa. I thought if that is considered 'fair' then I could do a whole mob this way and get double the shots out of a mob that still gets an extra attack in CC. Probably not legal on rereading, as they are allowed to swap for a shoota, not for more sluggas or choppas. But you see orks with a pair of choppas all the time, so...?
Thanks for the comments so far, maybe this should be a poll rather than just open debate.

 Scambone wrote:
wow that was a deeper debate than I expected. I thought I'd just get a "No".

To clarify, I am modelling a couple of boyz with a pair of sluggas rather than a slugga and a choppa. I thought if that is considered 'fair' then I could do a whole mob this way and get double the shots out of a mob that still gets an extra attack in CC. Probably not legal on rereading, as they are allowed to swap for a shoota, not for more sluggas or choppas. But you see orks with a pair of choppas all the time, so...?
Thanks for the comments so far, maybe this should be a poll rather than just open debate.

Y'know what a pair of choppas does though?

A) breaks the rules just the same
B) Nothing beneficial lol

DID NOT know this....


Shame i only play nids

Yeah, as has been said, any model that by the rules can have 2 pistols (numerous Characters can, like the Archon example above. I'd also like to try a squad of twin Stinger-Pistol Haemonculi,) can fire both pistols in the shooting phase.

Scambone wrote:wow that was a deeper debate than I expected. I thought I'd just get a "No".

To clarify, I am modelling a couple of boyz with a pair of sluggas rather than a slugga and a choppa. I thought if that is considered 'fair' then I could do a whole mob this way and get double the shots out of a mob that still gets an extra attack in CC. Probably not legal on rereading, as they are allowed to swap for a shoota, not for more sluggas or choppas. But you see orks with a pair of choppas all the time, so...?
Thanks for the comments so far, maybe this should be a poll rather than just open debate.

You could always make a special home-brew unit of pistoliers, you just need to price it accordingly.

Or just make cool models and treat them like regular Orks.