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I love the idea of Japanese guard, will make a nice change from the normal ones. Perhaps an allied detachment of grey knights with a samurai inquisitor and death cult assassin could fit nicely? also, battlefields in the 41st millenium are rarely open ground, even if its wrecked tanks and craters that litter the battlefield, plenty of space for a ninja to ambush from!
   
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Hey Dakka!

I've been surfin' da interweb for inspirational imagery on the subject of historical Japanese military throughout the ages, but mostly from about 1400 up to the mid-19th century. A sample of these inspirational images is below.

There are three different types of ashigaru miniatures along the top that are pretty striking for various reasons (not least of which the cool poses - although I am not interested in these, at least not at this stage). Right now I am looking for armour/uniform ideas, and I really like the different cuirasses worn by each of these warriors. For headgear, I am probably going to go for a traditional conical helmet for the rank-and-file ashigaru; much like the chap in the top right. Although I have come across a large number of different helmet designs using some basic google-fu (more on these in the next post).

Oh yeah - I also have some ideas for ninja-type Death Cult assassin bwadboys that may or may not be ripped off from one or two well known video games from the 90s...

Be interested to hear what people think, whether positive or negative. Can't promise I'll listen, but the more advice/opinions the better!

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Japanese imperial guard? I am a dyslextic but does not that spell with a T, an A and an U?

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Ok, so I had a few old school DE warriors lying around and thought to myself, if I file down the pointy bits and chop off the spiky bits, I could use these as the base models for some conversions...

Here are some quick pics (apologies for the quality or lack thereof - I didn't have access to the light tent and DSLR for these) showing your run-of-the-mill GW plastic 1998 DE warrior before and after going under the knife, plus a very quick sketch-over of my general intentions:







I'll get some more images up soon as I begin sculpting the banded cuirass, trouser fabric (folds & creases), shin guards/strapping and 'ninja toe' style sandals. I also plan on sculpting some jingasa conical war hats on these bwad boys (yeah - I've set my sights on creating quite a few of these) and - unless I can get shed loads of cheap lasguns on ebay - I'll probably have to come up with an interesting way of converting splinter rifles into something a little more Imperial...

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There are a lot of feudal Japanese miniatures out there if you know where to look (e.g. http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=273839), get them and kit bash them with normal guards and you got yourself a decent army. Course you probably won't get into ornaments with them.
Alternatively you can do what monkeybrains did and GS your way into victory if your good enough.
Either way works.

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I have always imagined a "japanese" imperial guard style army would be very similar to the Japanese forces in Red alert 3 (The Empire of the Rising Sun, as their full name is).


The armor, lasgun-ish weapons, tanks and other possiilitys would transfer over to IG very well (in my opinion), outside of the usage of katanas in their basic infantry using massed numbers of their basic soldier (which I cannot remember the name of) would be very IG-like. Anime-style battle suits could work as sentinals ( No huminoid suits, ala-tau) . leman Russ tanks with proper modifications or even simple paint styles would fit easily. and more.

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Japanese imperial guard? I am a dyslextic but does not that spell with a T, an A and an U?
I don't see a picture of a Tau Firewarrior there.

They aren't the same thing at all.

Stop this madness.

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For another option, Here are some DCMS/Kurita infantry miniatures at 25mm. It's slightly smaller than GW scale (it was 28mm, right?), but ... hey, they're Asians.

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The miniatures are unofficial metal figures from Iron Wind Metals, but they cost a whopping $4.25 a pop, which is a bit on the expensive side I 'spose.

The DE warrior conversions sound like a neat idea. The pads should be fairly easy to do with greenstuff, I think?
   
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Tau cramp the Japanese style too hard for IG to do it properly and not looking a tiny bit silly (or Gue'vesa)

And ninjas DO have a battlefield role for the guy who said they are not.
You really think a real battlefield have no special operation teams? ninjas were actually quite good when it came to direct combat, not just assassination/espionage jobs.

Sure, they would not charge into enemy battle lines, but placing ambushes, picking off enemy leadership and causing general havoc? ninja works well.

While they relied on stealth to strike unprepared targets and cripple whatever group they attacked before they could respond, but they would still be a fearsome opponent afterwards, their more unique weapon styles and superior training made isolated fights against them pretty much suicidal to anyone not trained the same way.

In terms of modern armies, they were the elite, special operations teams. I know 40K favors elite forces as "superhuman killing machines with massive armor and firepower", but REAL elite units are generally more efficient as stealthy groups who hit the enemy where and when he least expects it, eliminate their target, and disappear before proper retaliation is made.

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Novelist47 wrote:There are a lot of feudal Japanese miniatures out there if you know where to look (e.g. http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=273839), get them and kit bash them with normal guards and you got yourself a decent army. Course you probably won't get into ornaments with them.
Alternatively you can do what monkeybrains did and GS your way into victory if your good enough.
Either way works.


Yeah, I had seriously considered kit-bashing but it's been done a lot (with other IG 'conversions') and, besides, I like the idea of having a go at semi-sculpting a miniature ashigaru from the far future

Gonna get some plastic screw caps from B&Q (the local DIY superstore) and try them out for jingasa war hats!


Engine of War wrote:I have always imagined a "japanese" imperial guard style army would be very similar to the Japanese forces in Red alert 3 (The Empire of the Rising Sun, as their full name is).

The armor, lasgun-ish weapons, tanks and other possiilitys would transfer over to IG very well (in my opinion), outside of the usage of katanas in their basic infantry using massed numbers of their basic soldier (which I cannot remember the name of) would be very IG-like. Anime-style battle suits could work as sentinals ( No huminoid suits, ala-tau) . leman Russ tanks with proper modifications or even simple paint styles would fit easily. and more.


I'd been thinking about converting some Sentinels into mecha-style constructs; but that's a project for another day...


Lynata wrote:For another option, Here are some DCMS/Kurita infantry miniatures at 25mm. It's slightly smaller than GW scale (it was 28mm, right?), but ... hey, they're Asians.

The miniatures are unofficial metal figures from Iron Wind Metals, but they cost a whopping $4.25 a pop, which is a bit on the expensive side I 'spose.

The DE warrior conversions sound like a neat idea. The pads should be fairly easy to do with greenstuff, I think?


Cheers, Lynata - I checked out the IronWinds miniatures and wasn't too impressed, to be fair. I'll be sticking to the old GS methinks!


BoomWolf wrote:Tau cramp the Japanese style too hard for IG to do it properly and not looking a tiny bit silly (or Gue'vesa)

And ninjas DO have a battlefield role for the guy who said they are not.
You really think a real battlefield have no special operation teams? ninjas were actually quite good when it came to direct combat, not just assassination/espionage jobs.

Sure, they would not charge into enemy battle lines, but placing ambushes, picking off enemy leadership and causing general havoc? ninja works well.

While they relied on stealth to strike unprepared targets and cripple whatever group they attacked before they could respond, but they would still be a fearsome opponent afterwards, their more unique weapon styles and superior training made isolated fights against them pretty much suicidal to anyone not trained the same way.

In terms of modern armies, they were the elite, special operations teams. I know 40K favors elite forces as "superhuman killing machines with massive armor and firepower", but REAL elite units are generally more efficient as stealthy groups who hit the enemy where and when he least expects it, eliminate their target, and disappear before proper retaliation is made.


Pretty much agree with all of that, BoomWolf. Been reading up on the Men of Iga (after a suggestion made by Perfect Organism in a previous post) and they could certainly hold their own with their particular brand of guerrilla warfare!

I'll be posting more updates (with pics) soon. May need to move this one over to the P&M section (or start a blog there)...


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Yeh, dat seemz like a gud idea, making sum Japaneez 'oomies fur me ta bash!

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Basically :

- In Japan, Land was always MORE important than what is ON the ground. Basically, even today, the most modern building has no more value than the land he is on.
I even read the value of a flat is not its surface value : You see the percentage of the total surface of all the flats ? The value of your flat is the same percentage... of the ground surface used to build the building.

That was because ground land is rare in Japan. Particularly land where rice can grow.
Until the fall of the shogunat, non-warriors farmers class (japanese class where pretty closed) was even higher than merchants or artisans.

Now, Farmer HAD to be able to defend it.

Mean famers were a pretty important class : They had the weapons, the money (rice), and what produced the money (land).

After time, some began to stop to be farmer to began administrators or only warriors.

But that was not anywhere at the same moment. If memory serve, it was even not the case in Shokoku until the Tokugawa shogunate (where samurais where still true farmers).

Now you rarely used only samurais to wage war. They were not numerous enough after samurai and farmers split. You had also professional warriors of lesser ranks, sometimes of pretty good level (city guard were often able to disarm a samurai without anybody being killed). They probably are the standard soldiers of a japanese-themed IG.
You had also levy : Just give weapons to peoples who are not warriors, like peasants and stuff. You can have LOT, like, two squads by slot, but boy they are crappy, particularly moral-wise.

Most of the army was short range. Most of the archers were samurais (bow was "noble" long before the sword/saber).

Samurais will be Elite, Heavy, but not "troop". Oh, and they were underdisciplined (generaly).

Fast : Samurais. Horses were rare and costly. But boy they liked cavalry-archers. Can make your fast attack interesting. Particularly if you remember it was samurais, then the "fast stuff" was also pretty decent in close.

Samurais were not below using firearms. But daimyos were often conservatives : The first to have firearms, like the Takeda (if memory serve, again) had chineses weaponry.
But as chineses themselves said : "Franks - Whites - came and discovered our guns. Ten years after, they come back and have BETTER weapons than us".
Japanese clans with chinese guns refused (yes) to even look at the new Europeans guns japaneses from the South (Nagazaki and such) bought... and lost all.

Ninja where not "special doom-units".

The black habit existed but... Only in theaters (sad, but true).
Ninja were pretty bad in combat. They were destroyed in normal battles.
They were good spy because they DIDN'T look like it : They disguised as peasants, merchants, geishas even.
Shurikens and things like that never existed (honestly, you really think you could enter a castle and not look suspicious with theses ridiculous things some "experts" sell today as "ninja stuff" ?
You want to now how to kill with an invisible weapon ? Sharpen one of the needles you use for your hair, and use it when you are alone with your target.
Want to now what were really the ridiculous "death stars" ? Take a little metal plate (the one from you belt, by example), and sharpen the edge. You can use is as an invisible knife, even (but don't dream to kill somebody).

Japanese artillery was always bad (at least before Meiji).

Fortress were pretty bad. No, even against armies without the minimal mean to make siege war, they were bad.
Really, giving lot or even good siege stuff to a Japanese-themed IG is insulting. Shut up : Just don't.

Japaneses were always good at raiding on sea. Their ships were horribles, but they managed to make Chineses hate them (the grand canal of China was build exactly because Chinese needed to avoid to go even NEAR the sea to transport stuff to Pekin.

Big land stuff, like heavy cavalry or wagons was not a Japanese thing until... No forget that : It never was.

Japanese armors were always bad (yes, i know : Manga fanatics say otherwise. Just kill them all). Meaning a japanese-IG army is probably not strong on personal armors.

Japaneses weapons never were conceived to fight heavy stuff. Mean they could be pretty fast.
Japanese-IG can, maybe, be poorly protected, but have FAST firing or reactions (can even be their signature).


That my two cents. Waiting for your Japaneses in space.

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Now you rarely used only samurais to wage war. They were not numerous enough after samurai and farmers split. You had also professional warriors of lesser ranks, sometimes of pretty good level (city guard were often able to disarm a samurai without anybody being killed). They probably are the standard soldiers of a japanese-themed IG.
You had also levy : Just give weapons to peoples who are not warriors, like peasants and stuff. You can have LOT, like, two squads by slot, but boy they are crappy, particularly moral-wise.

Most of the army was short range. Most of the archers were samurais (bow was "noble" long before the sword/saber).

Samurais will be Elite, Heavy, but not "troop". Oh, and they were underdisciplined (generaly).

Fast : Samurais. Horses were rare and costly. But boy they liked cavalry-archers. Can make your fast attack interesting. Particularly if you remember it was samurais, then the "fast stuff" was also pretty decent in close.

Ninja were pretty bad in combat. They were destroyed in normal battles.

Japanese artillery was always bad (at least before Meiji).

That my two cents. Waiting for your Japaneses in space.



Thanks for the historical advice, Little Ork! Appreciate your time.

In answer to some of your points:

The ashigaru soldiers will make up the bulk of my army, with elite samurai units/leaders. I was also considering throwing in some conscripted cannon-fodder at some point…

I had been thinking about samurai rough riders, but naturally with lasguns as opposed to bows! The other idea I had was to have a load of converted sentinels…

Regarding ninja, I am probably going to use them maybe as scouts, or possibly employ one or two Death Cult-style assassins…

I don’t really plan on having much (if anything) in the way of artillery… I know, I know: “they’re IG so what’s the point unless you have lots of tanks and big guns?” I hear you shout. I’m concentrating on making this force light and rapid, with some tanks and aircraft in support.

Just waiting to get my hands on the 6th edition IG codex.

In the meantime, I’ve been working on a concept for my lasguns… (I really should upload some more pictures)

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Lascarabines for the Roguh Riders.

Thank you for taking heed of my idea about the Death Cult Ninjas.

A commissar trained from that would be interesting. Harikiri before surrender. The Samurais should be mega-stubborn, but the respect of authority would also be the weakness of the regiment. With them dying morale cracks pretty soon.

As for marksmanship. Sniper-Samurai should be on-par to Deathworld Snipers.

Of course as always it's how I see things, and you are free to disagree.

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Sentinels with additional close or short range weaponry (like grenade-launchers, maybe ?) can really be a nasty surprise for your opponent.

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