Bogus war hero sentenced to 30 days

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**Relapse**

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/05/bogus-war-hero-sentenced-to-30-days-in-federal-prison/?test=latestnews

Don't lie about your war record in Texas.

**AustonT**

I thought stolen valor was unconstiutional.

**Relapse**

Maybe because he defrauded Texas of the liscense plates or something along that line.

**Kid_Kyoto**

He altered his discharge papers, that's the crie. If he'd only lied to impress folks that would icky but legal

**Jihadin**

FBI officials later found that Schroeder also falsely reported he was the recipient of numerous awards and training from various combat schools, including two Purple Heart awards, three Bronze Star awards, two Meritorious Service Medals, training from Special Forces Assessment and Selection, Army Ranger School, Pathfinder Course, Jumpmaster School, Airborne School, Military Freefall School, and the Combat Dive Qualification Course.

I laughed so hard

Paul A. Schroeder, 41, of Shenandoah, was convicted of altering a military or naval discharge certificate

He altered his DD214 page 4.

**hotsauceman1**

If i remember correctly, you can only recieve the purple heart once.

**Jihadin**

The most Purple Hearts awarded to a single individual is nine. Former Marine Sgt. Albert L. Ireland holds that distinction, being awarded five Purple Heart Medals in World War II and four more in the Korean War.[10][11] Six soldiers, including a Medal of Honor recipient, were awarded eight Purple Hearts:
Richard J. Buck: Four awards, Korean War / Four awards, Vietnam War
Robert T. Frederick: Eight awards, World War II
David H. Hackworth: Three awards, Korean War / Five awards in the Vietnam War
Robert L. Howard: Eight awards, Vietnam War
William L. Russell: Eight awards, World War II
William Waugh: Eight awards, Vietnam War

**Mannahnin**

You only wear one, though.

Additional awards of the Purple Heart medal are denoted by oak leaf clusters in the Army and Air Force and by 5/16 inch stars in the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard).

**AustonT**

Mannahnin wrote:
You only wear one, though.

Just like every other medal. What was incorrect in hotsuaces statement was "you can only recieve one" the purple hart is given whenever a person is eligible.

**Relapse**

Someone fun to watch in action was Captain Larry Bailey. The guy is a SEAL, and when he hears about fake SEALs it doesn't go well for them.

**Mannahnin**

AustonT wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:
You only wear one, though.

Just like every other medal. What was incorrect in hotsuaces statement was "you can only recieve one" the purple hart is given whenever a person is eligible.

Of couse. I was hazarding a guess as to the source of his confusion.

**Grey Templar**

Jihadin wrote:
FBI officials later found that Schroeder also falsely reported he was the recipient of numerous awards and training from various combat schools, including two Purple Heart awards, three Bronze Star awards, two Meritorious Service Medals, training from Special Forces Assessment and Selection, Army Ranger School, Pathfinder Course, Jumpmaster School, Airborne School, Military Freefall School, and the Combat Dive Qualification Course.

I laughed so hard

Indeed

*going in for a job interview

"So I see you have a fairly extensive service record"

"You are basically saying you are an Army Ranger, Paratrooper, and Seal all at the same time?"

**AustonT**

Grey Templar wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
FBI officials later found that Schroeder also falsely reported he was the recipient of numerous awards and training from various combat schools, including two Purple Heart awards, three Bronze Star awards, two Meritorious Service Medals, training from Special Forces Assessment and Selection, Army Ranger School, Pathfinder Course, Jumpmaster School, Airborne School, Military Freefall School, and the Combat Dive Qualification Course.

I laughed so hard

Indeed

*going in for a job interview

"So I see you have a fairly extensive service record"

"You are basically saying you are an Army Ranger, Paratrooper, and Seal all at the same time?"

Do you know any Rangers that are not Paratroopers? It would be a believable 214 for some guys. Dive school is not BUDS.

**d-usa**

I can't tell you how many wanna-be special forces guys I have had to strap down at work. It's like they have no clue that we have access to their service record.

**Jihadin**

Additional awards of the Purple Heart medal are denoted by oak leaf clusters in the Army and Air Force and by 5/16 inch stars in the Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard).

To give more clarification on Manny post

Silver Oak leaf is five
Bronze Oak Leaf is one
The ribbon itself is consider one

I've 13 ARCOMS
So on my ARCOM bar it will show two silver leaf and one bronze leaf

edit
Thats awards

**AustonT**

d-usa wrote:
I can't tell you how many wanna-be special forces guys I have had to strap down at work. It's like they have no clue that we have access to their service record.

Seems silly to make that kind of claim at the VA...

**KalashnikovMarine**

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81185.html

Well the house has approved a revised stolen valor act.

Personally I like the Canadian laws. You're in it up to your neck if you lie about your service with ANY nation up there. (source: my buddy in the Canadian army)

**d-usa**

AustonT wrote:
d-usa wrote:
I can't tell you how many wanna-be special forces guys I have had to strap down at work. It's like they have no clue that we have access to their service record.

Seems silly to make that kind of claim at the VA...

It's usually the same people arguing about having to wait behind other people screaming "I'm a veteran!"...

Guess what Sherlock, so is everybody else, now get back in line.

**Captain Fantastic**

Special Forces? ~ｙａｗｎ　

Why can't someone be creative and pretend to be a cook, or a seven-ton repair tech, or a 1171 water-dog? Uuuuurah, water dogs lead the way!

**hotsauceman1**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81185.html

Well the house has approved a revised stolen valor act.

Personally I like the Canadian laws. You're in it up to your neck if you lie about your service with ANY nation up there. (source: my buddy in the Canadian army)

But when you restrict freedom of speech it is a slippery slope. How long is it until you cant tell a chick you are a successful business man to get lucky?
but OT, this guy forged official documents, which is a no-no

**Mannahnin**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
How long is it until you cant tell a chick you are a successful business man to get lucky?

Jim Jeffries wrote:To be a stud you have to be witty, charming, well-dressed, have nice shoes and a fake job.

**AustonT**

Mannahnin wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
How long is it until you cant tell a chick you are a successful business man to get lucky?

Jim Jeffries wrote:To be a stud you have to be witty, charming, well-dressed, have nice shoes and a fake job.

I used to tell chicks I managed a burger king. Sadly that was more effective than my real job.

**KalashnikovMarine**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81185.html

Well the house has approved a revised stolen valor act.

Personally I like the Canadian laws. You're in it up to your neck if you lie about your service with ANY nation up there. (source: my buddy in the Canadian army)

But when you restrict freedom of speech it is a slippery slope. How long is it until you cant tell a chick you are a successful business man to get lucky?
but OT, this guy forged official documents, which is a no-no

Lying about military service and falsely representing yourself/falsely claiming military awards isn't freedom of speech. It's fraud. It seems the house of representatives agree with me.

Thankfully if you bothered to read the article, you'd know you're only on the wrong end of that law if you misrepresent yourself in the name of personal/financial gain. (which is usually defined as slightly more serious then getting laid), so all the guys at the bar lying about being with a unit that hasn't been active since 'Nam or whatever only have the usual risks of angry actual veterans beating them bloody to deal with.

**hotsauceman1**

I agree it should be illegal to to lie about anything for financial/personal gain.
But I hear quite a bit of people calling to make illegal to even saying you where in the military. Which is what i disagree with. Slippery slope and all.

**Grey Templar**

Sure, I think it should never be illegal to make a bald faced lie.

It should however be illegal to lie for any sort of tangible gain. Especially if any sort of legal document is involved.

In that case, its fraud and everything that goes with it. Otherwise its you being a bragging sleezey d-bag.

**KalashnikovMarine**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
I agree it should be illegal to to lie about anything for financial/personal gain.
But I hear quite a bit of people calling to make illegal to even saying you where in the military. Which is what i disagree with. Slippery slope and all.

Well the law limits it to the former.

I think the way to fix the latter is to make it legal for actual vets to beat the tar out of the latter.

**Seaward**

The day, "Yeah, I was in Hero Platoon, Ninth Armored Ranger Division," gets outlawed is the day D.C.-area bars become a lot less pathetically hilarious.