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Harakoni are drop troops, they're appearance however, well they look similar to modern Western World's average infantryman.

Well in the 4th Ed Codex they share the same appearance as the Cadian carapace armour clad Kasrkin. Not seen any images for them pre-4th Ed. though so I'd assume they're one of the worlds that apes the Cadian's fatigues & equipment mostly with their own additions.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

http://www.blacktieguide.com/Supplemental/Military/defence_gov_au-army-collage.jpg

That short waistcoat honest reminds me of a waiter at a fancy restaurant.

That'd be because those are all mess dress..

The actual field/ceremonial uniforms are in fact pretty much identical to (old?) US Army/Marine Service Dress other than a change of colour and a variety of funny hats.
http://www.army.gov.au/Our-work/Equipment-and-clothing/Army_Standing_Orders_for_Dress/Orders_of_Dress

Well right, but we were talking formal dress uniforms, not the service ones. I don't think anyone will say that the USMC's service uniforms look particularly good. But that's not the iconic one.

1. Some source says Harakoni based on WW2 Jap Paratroops
2. Others say they're 101st Airbourne
3. In 3rd Edition IG 'dex (2003 version), Harakoni Warhawks DID wear 'cadian' armor and actually represented by 'just another cadian with different paintjobs'.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 baxter123 wrote:

And of course, Vostroyan is the WW2 Russians

Incorrect. Valhallens are Soviets
Vostroyans are Cossacks.

I meant early WW2 and ww1
Though seeing back the Cossacks do look like Vostroyans
I still stand by my previous comment of Catachan looking like Australians or WW2 Marines

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Legion of Flame wrote:It's the most famous because so much culture about the world has just been AMERICANISED. That is the sad truth. The fat Santa is just an example. All the movies coming out, so many of them based in - AMERICA. Why? Hollywood. Due to popular, stupid thought, all movies must originate from Hollywood.

Stupid thought?

Movies are based in America because most of them are made in America. Americans also represent the single largest market for movies, so a film company wanting to maximize its profitability will have a movie set in a contemporary time in an American setting. /shrug

Amusingly enough, yes, Fat Santa was an American thing. Made most famous by Coca Cola actually.

Not intending to start a flame war, not intending to offend. If you take it that way, The Australian Army in their awesome dress uniform will kick you up the butt.

I won't be offended. Maybe there is an Australian Army dress uniform I've never seen, but these:

http://www.blacktieguide.com/Supplemental/Military/defence_gov_au-army-collage.jpg

Eh. I mean, they aren't awful, but better looking than the high collar Marine coat? No. That short waistcoat honest reminds me of a waiter at a fancy restaurant.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing but respect for the Aussies. I got to work with a bunch of them and they were top notch. A friend of mine, her husband is an Australian Army officer. But that uniform isn't really that awesome, lol.

Eww. Not those dress. Default.



I guess its just where you are born. Russians must think... Well, Russians are awesome anyway. But I just love the simple dress uniform and the slouch hat. Cause we cowboys.

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
And Creed is a mix between Canadian General Arthur Currie and former Prime Minister Jean Chretien.

The second Creed gets a rule for the shawinigan handshake is day I start an IG army.

 Lone Cat wrote:
1. Some source says Harakoni based on WW2 Jap Paratroops
2. Others say they're 101st Airbourne
3. In 3rd Edition IG 'dex (2003 version), Harakoni Warhawks DID wear 'cadian' armor and actually represented by 'just another cadian with different paintjobs'.

Jap paratroopers in WW2?

Thats just funny. Whoever said that is just wrong Im sure of it. I had never even heard of them. i looked them up and saw that Japan had less than 2k of them in the entire war and they fought in like 3 short battles 500 men in each. Ya no one is going to base anything off them.


101st is FAR MORE reasonable.


As for the 3rd point, it could be that thats what they normally where and the picture on page 2 is just what they wear on combat drops (Im suggesting this, I got no idea, I remember them wearing Cadian uniforms also)

Oh, yead, Valhallans are definitely WW2 Stalingrad Russians. One day, i'm going to have an IG army of Armageddon Steel Legion and one of Valhallans, and a Stalingrad-esque city fight table to fight them both on.

bitch please, the japanese probably lost too many pilots, because of their code of honour, to actually maintain an effective airbourne unit. 101st airbourne or the 82nd are much more likely to be the origins of the harakoni warhawks

What I don't understand... is why GW never based an IG line off of their own history? Why not have Tommyboys from WWI?

 Valhalla130 wrote:
What I don't understand... is why GW never based an IG line off of their own history? Why not have Tommyboys from WWI?

They did...

Oh, yeah, they did at that. It was kind of a late edition, and they more or less just did head swaps with the Mordians. Maybe they didn't want to do anything too recent, where there might be actual Britons still alive from it?

Probably not.
There was already a WW1 archetype regiment.
Making a regiment that was Britain in WW1 would fill a gap that wasn't there...

There are elements of British equipment in the Death Korps equipment (notably the puttee's, which are also a French influence too, & the design of their gasmasks).

The 'headswap' of Mordians to turn them into Praetorians was quite a good idea visually. The soldiers in Africa in the 1870s are dressed much in the same style as the soldiers fighting in Europe (Franco-Prussian war), upon which the Mordian uniforms are based. It ties in nicely yet also makes the Praetorians look different.

I think it was a stroke of genuis. They got a brand new army line with just a few head swaps and helmet additions.

 purplefood wrote:

 Valhalla130 wrote:
What I don't understand... is why GW never based an IG line off of their own history? Why not have Tommyboys from WWI?

They did...

WW1 = 1914-1919

Last time British wore red in battle = 1879

SerQuintus wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 Valhalla130 wrote:
What I don't understand... is why GW never based an IG line off of their own history? Why not have Tommyboys from WWI?

They did...

WW1 = 1914-1919

Last time British wore red in battle = 1879

Question he asked (And the one i subsequently answered)= Why did GW never base an IG line off of their own history?
IG Line he proposed= WW1 Tommies
Notably not the same thing.

Just to bolster the answers, yeah alot of existing Guard regiments are meant to resemble real life militaries, ie Death Korps Of Krieg is made to resemble WW1 german troops. I am currently Writing a fanfic with a regiment i based off Roman Legionnaires.

More or less the different imperial guard regiments represent their native worlds. That goes without saying that their ancestors would be from various nation states on Terra. So, that would explain the different types of uniforms and specialties of the various regiments.

Now if only a Guard regiment would get raised from a world that believes in armour.

Seriously, I just want some well-armoured guardsmen.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Now if only a Guard regiment would get raised from a world that believes in armour.

Seriously, I just want some well-armoured guardsmen.

Armored in the sense of reasonable modern combat gear, or Guardsmen dressed up like Medieval Knights?

Reasonable modern combat gear; something equitable to Stormtroopers or of that vein with proper webbing, ammo kits, and so on. Basically, professional looking "modern" troops, representing the 1st tier of Imperial Guard regiments.

The Marines have the knight thing more or less covered.

I don't know, but in my opinion catachans are partially based off us forces during the vietnam war. However I think most of their theme comes from action stars like rambo and schwarzenegger. And that's what makes them the best regiment imo!

Except their models are hideous.

It's just odd that only standard Cadians have any actual armour on the model; Death Korps don't, Armaggeddon don't, catachan's don't, valhallan's don't, some vostroyons have armour, mordian's don't.

Are Cadians really supposed to be the only model line which represents a fully developed military force using "modern" technology by 40k standards with a focus on function, not aesthetics?

I don't know about you, but when facing a wide range of alien murderbeasts, I would like some basic armour on other places than just my chest, or heck, some more ammo packs, medkits, field rations and so on.

 MajorStoffer wrote:

It's just odd that only standard Cadians have any actual armour on the model; Death Korps don't, Armaggeddon don't, catachan's don't, valhallan's don't, some vostroyons have armour, mordian's don't.

Ever heard about bulletproof vest?
Not all flak armor is build like Cadian, most of them are build like vests that are put and then solder put their coats,
Take Krieg for example, they first put their flak armor and then they wear their coats over it.

The only Guard Regiments that doesn't use flak armor are Catachans, they have muscles to compensate for it.

Aye, I know that most regiments are wearing some form of bodyarmour underneath their uniforms, but in a setting renowned for rather excessive armour, I'd just like the opportunity for some plastic, visually armoured troops, though I've heard rumour of a plastic stormtrooper kit somewhere in the mists of time ahead of us.

I mean we've got a half dozen WW2 and earlier military aesthetic, but nothing contemporary or genuinely sci-fi aside from Cadians and Elysians.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Except their models are hideous.

It's just odd that only standard Cadians have any actual armour on the model; Death Korps don't, Armaggeddon don't, catachan's don't, valhallan's don't, some vostroyons have armour, mordian's don't.

Are Cadians really supposed to be the only model line which represents a fully developed military force using "modern" technology by 40k standards with a focus on function, not aesthetics?

1. Vostroyans had been designed in the closing days of the 2003 IG codex, by then. even the most 'basic' troops features costs points. and a rigid 'doctrine' system was in place, Vostroyans were meant to be either Grenadiers (by the old codex standard... they were Stormtroops without deepstriking abilities), or intended to use 'carapace armor' rules.
2. And even by then, IG also has weaker armor too! weaker than even standard Kevlar Flak vests and PASGT helmet cadians and 'standard' IG wears! so Catachans were originally intended to wear 'mesh armor' but can walk through deep jungles without impunity!
3. I don't know how 2nd edition codex looks like? by then even Flak armor has its price too? for me. mordians and catachans don't wear an armor at all.
4. Flak armor was initially designed to protect wearer against sharpnel and pistol bullets. steel helmets in WW1 was designed for that purpose. saying that Steel Legionaires, Kreigsche and Valhallans wear no armor is quite mistaken. real life Flak armor follows Jack quilt designs and provided similar protection. so other regiments might wear jack quilts armor underneath trench coats too!

 Lone Cat wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Except their models are hideous.

It's just odd that only standard Cadians have any actual armour on the model; Death Korps don't, Armaggeddon don't, catachan's don't, valhallan's don't, some vostroyons have armour, mordian's don't.

Are Cadians really supposed to be the only model line which represents a fully developed military force using "modern" technology by 40k standards with a focus on function, not aesthetics?

2. And even by then, IG also has weaker armor too! weaker than even standard Kevlar Flak vests and PASGT helmet cadians and 'standard' IG wears! so Catachans were originally intended to wear 'mesh armor' but can walk through deep jungles without impunity!
!

If by weaker armor you mean the exact same or better than the stuff we have now a days that is correct.

Likewise their weapons are the unholy bastard love child of an AK-47 and M16. (Reliablity of AK with full auto / accuracy of the M16 with equal dmg of 5.56)