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Does anyone use the reclusiarch as their hq? Are they worth the points? A reclusiarch with a jump pack is 30 points more expensive than a librarian with jump pack. I can't imagine choosing one over the librarian, but am I missing out? Even a jp chaplain as an elite choice seems a little costly. What do you guys think?

I don't play in a hyper-competitive environment, but I love the Reclusiarch. My Death Co. never leave home without him. Ofc, I never use jump packs either, waaaaay too expensive. Give him a powerfist and he & his squad are unbeatable, they tore their way through half a Tyranid army last game and he pummeled a Hive Tyrant without taking a wound.

Why pick reclusiarch when you could have Lemartes? The whirlwind of death.

Why pick a reclusiarch when you get a Terminator armored and Storm shilelded Librarian that has Prescience for 15 points more than the reclusiarch?

The reclusiarch is good if he gets the charge, but fearless is not worth it on marines.

The Librarian, with Terminator armor, Storm shield, and Force Axe and a Psychic power that lets him and his unit re-roll all misses to hit rolls (Shooting and CC) via Prescience is better.

i dunno i prefer the libraian on a motorcycle with a preist in tow. blood lance and shield.

I use the Reclusiarch when two reasons come up both at the same time. That is, when I must have a HQ and I want that chaplain boost for my Death Company. Why put points on a HQ and a separate chaplain when I can have both in one?

Just use the Librarian to run the Death Company and forgo the chaplain altogether.

That way you get to re-roll hits for shooting and CC every turn and the Librarian in your HQ.

With the Reclusiarch you only get re-rolls in CC and only on the turn you charge. Plus his fearless is useless.

That's kinda what I was getting at. I'm struggling to see why you would pick a reclusiarch over a librarian.

More wounds, better invul without having to fork out for termie armour and SS (and losing sweeping advance), re-rolls to hit and wound without having to rely on a psychic test (which almost never passes if you're fighting nids or eldar). I won't lie, a librarian is better than a reclusiarch 8 times out of 10, but he's still damn good, and if you're fielding a heavy Death Co, I'd take him every time.

 Biaz wrote:
More wounds, better invul without having to fork out for termie armour and SS (and losing sweeping advance), re-rolls to hit and wound without having to rely on a psychic test (which almost never passes if you're fighting nids or eldar). I won't lie, a librarian is better than a reclusiarch 8 times out of 10, but he's still damn good, and if you're fielding a heavy Death Co, I'd take him every time.

for 15 points, a Librarian with a Force Axe, Terminator armor and a Storm Shield is Way better than the Reclusiarch. Plus when fighting nids or eldar the power still works 50% of the time which is more use that a reclusiarch, and the Librarian can ID Nid MC's.

The Librarians power works on the first round of combat, the second round of combat, in the turn you get charged etc. Plus he gets another power and an AP2 axe if you want.

The Reclusiarch gets to re-roll to hit and wound on the turn they charge into combat, but not if they are charged and not on subsequent rounds of combat. He only has an AP4 weapon.

The Librarian beats the Reclusiarch 10 times out of 10.

 DeathReaper wrote:
Why pick a reclusiarch when you get a Terminator armored and Storm shilelded Librarian that has Prescience for 15 points more than the reclusiarch?

The reclusiarch is good if he gets the charge, but fearless is not worth it on marines.

The Librarian, with Terminator armor, Storm shield, and Force Axe and a Psychic power that lets him and his unit re-roll all misses to hit rolls (Shooting and CC) via Prescience is better.

because if you put a reclusiarch in a unit of death co they reroll wounds as well and against things like nurgle armies and MCs that is way better than just rerolling hits...

phoenixrisin wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
Why pick a reclusiarch when you get a Terminator armored and Storm shilelded Librarian that has Prescience for 15 points more than the reclusiarch?

The reclusiarch is good if he gets the charge, but fearless is not worth it on marines.

The Librarian, with Terminator armor, Storm shield, and Force Axe and a Psychic power that lets him and his unit re-roll all misses to hit rolls (Shooting and CC) via Prescience is better.

because if you put a reclusiarch in a unit of death co they reroll wounds as well and against things like nurgle armies and MCs that is way better than just rerolling hits...

On the turn you get the charge, which is way less often than every turn you are in CC.

Put the Libby in there with SS and Force Axe, and 2 Pfist guys, and that unit will tear through nurgle armies and MCs and will not even need the re-rolls to wound, 8 PFist attacks on the charge, 4 in subsequent rounds, re-rolling hits is devastating to just about any unit. No need for a Reclusiarch, as fearless is a wasted rule in a DC unit, and you do not get the charge all of the time.