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People who're decent and reasonable are usually decent and reasonable to play against. Harking back to my sex analogy, it's rare for people to spontaniously change personality once they take their clothes off - if you're a good judge of charector you should be able to tell what they're like off the bat.

 Testify wrote:
People who're decent and reasonable are usually decent and reasonable to play against. Harking back to my sex analogy, it's rare for people to spontaniously change personality once they take their clothes off - if you're a good judge of charector you should be able to tell what they're like off the bat.

How can you judge someone's character based on:

"Hey man, do you want to play an 1850 game?"

"Yeah, let me grab my stuff."

Unless you're psychic. Which would be cool.

Not to mention, its totally possible for someone to change dispositions when their luck turns sour. Seen it happen.

 TheCaptain wrote:


Not to mention, its totally possible for someone to change dispositions when their luck turns sour. Seen it happen.

I agree, it's all laughing and joking until you kill their death star. Then it's all "feth you man, that's 24.001" away."

 Griddlelol wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:


Not to mention, its totally possible for someone to change dispositions when their luck turns sour. Seen it happen.

I agree, it's all laughing and joking until you kill their death star. Then it's all "feth you man, that's 24.001" away."

Exactly.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 Testify wrote:
People who're decent and reasonable are usually decent and reasonable to play against. Harking back to my sex analogy, it's rare for people to spontaniously change personality once they take their clothes off - if you're a good judge of charector you should be able to tell what they're like off the bat.

How can you judge someone's character based on:

"Hey man, do you want to play an 1850 game?"

"Yeah, let me grab my stuff."

Unless you're psychic. Which would be cool.

Not to mention, its totally possible for someone to change dispositions when their luck turns sour. Seen it happen.

Well, I wouldn't play a game with someone like that until I'd at least talked to them first. If you're willing to play with complete strangers you can't really complain when they turn out to be dickheads.

 Testify wrote:

Well, I wouldn't play a game with someone like that until I'd at least talked to them first. If you're willing to play with complete strangers you can't really complain when they turn out to be dickheads.

So you can judge someone based on a pre-game conversation, but I can't judge someone based on how they act during the actual game?

Huh.

Also what if I don't have the option but to play a complete stranger? I should give up my hobby from fear of finding an asshat?

I bring this up because I'm uprooting and moving <200miles from where I've lived most of my life, I don't have any choice but to play people I don't know, and a short conversation (most likely about 40k) won't do anything to let me know if they're a jackass. Unless of course I get "Imperial Guard are OP!" as a response to unpacking...

I think it has a lot to do with individual unit values. Marine players tend to have the idea that each model is very valuable and effective, as well as expensive in point cost. Losing 5 terminators to unlucky rolls can easily result in losing the game. It's especially bad when it's massed grot blaster fire or another cheap unit. It's the point disparity.

The other part is how prevalent AP3 weapons are because of a marine overpopulation. Suddenly the feeling is that those 16 point models should only cost 10, since the armor save I'd worthless anyway when everyone is generally sitting in cover that gives them a free sv upgrade.

Of course this is misleading because they forget how many other people pay 10-12 points per basic model, often with inferior stats. All they see is their elite, expensive marines getting blasted to bits by "inferior" forces.

I only get.like that when I roll a dozen 2s for my 3+ saves. Or when my dark lance fails to hit the broadside of a fortress.for.three turns.

kill my Eldar Jetbike seer council with Plasma guns?.......no problem

Kill my Dire Avengers with boltguns and plasma guns?.....no problem

Kill my Wraithguard with any shooting at all?.......no problem...

but......

start pulling stupid things like Mindshackle Scarabs? And anything that can kill invulnerable save models without them getting any kind of save what so ever and I start to get a little angry. I start thinking things like "what's it called an invulnerable save for if it isn't truly invulnerable?"

I think things like that don't belong in the game in the first place. No saves of any kind abilities make me angry.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

start pulling stupid things like Mindshackle Scarabs? And anything that can kill invulnerable save models without them getting any kind of save what so ever and I start to get a little angry.

Why. It's an ability of the wargear.

I also see this more from Space Marine players then any others. Not sure what the hell that is all about but there it is

This is mainly a problem of space Marine players. Me, I play two armies with. The worse saves, IG and orks. Funniest game I ever listened too, while I was playing, was between grey knights a d blood angels. Each complaining over something. Feel no pain, psychic powers, special ammo, and so on.

This is why I kinda lean towards wanting to play blob guard. More dice = more consistent.

I had something like this.... except it was a bit different.

Me and a mate had gotten our small armies together and I lost my rule book up his house, now keep in mind that this was before I had time to learn the main rules..... Anyway he would constantly change and make up rules to suit his needs, it's pretty obvious looking back at things now that I have a better grip on the game.

I know my Tau were bad..... but they weren't that bad.

Yeah, This is my general interpretation of a Space Marine player. They want to play the invincible ultra mega super duper soldiers. They are spoon fed the marysue fluff that BL shoves down each and every SM fanboy's throat. "One Space Marine is equal to One Hundred Men." *Scoff*

The fact is Space Marines are a very powerful army, but many players, mostly newer, play them like they are a unbeatable force that can weather any amount of abuse and still win by a landslide.

Last week I had a SM player charge a Squad of Assault Marines into my MegaNobs, after I only took one wound and proceeded to Destroy his entire squad, he gave up on the spot (Turn 3), and Proceeded to tell me how Orks shouldn't have access to 2+ saves and powerfists. Says the player with 2+/3++ Thunderhammer wielding Assault Termies.

All in all, the majority of SM are powergaming tools.

people are far more likely to remember insanely unlikely dice rolls. and they are far more likely to remember unlucky unlikely dice rolls

the most insane episode of dice rolling i ever had was this.

3rd ed Necrons v SM

My opponent had flattened most of my necrons in 1 turn of insane shooting, 35/50 or so necrons were on the floor. when it came to my WBB rolls, 30 or so of them got back up... it won me the game.
I have forgotten all other episodes of avergae luck i've had with my WBB rolls, but that has always stuck in both our minds, and my opponent to this day sometimes says 'if only you hadn't made all those WBB rolls i would have won that game..'

Ha, I remember the first time I used Legion of the Damned. I was under the impression that "Yeah 3 up invuln WOO", but I ended up losing the squad in close combat to...guardsmen.

DUN DUN DUUUUUUN

Since Space Marines didn't really grab my focus, I focused on my Imperial Guard. Whenever one of them dies, I just brush it off.

"Oh, it's just another guardsman, poor Omar, MOVING ON!"

The only time I ever got mad about losing a lot of guardsmen was when I was still in high school. A bunch of people were talking and stealing my attention away from the game by trying to talk to me, and I ended up destroying over half of a platoon with valkyrie MRPs that scattered the wrong way.

I ended up yelling at everyone to STFU.

In the end, I would have won the game due to flamer fun vs. deldar, but the bell rang.



Now, to get back on topic, I am actually friends with the kind of person who'll say "lasguns are OP", and "I hate guard they are so OP they should be BS-12 in comparison to SM". I just laugh and whittle his marines away.

 Smitty wrote:

I ended up yelling at everyone to STFU.

Sounds a little excessive.

I was young, stupid, and frustrated.

 GalacticZ wrote:
All in all, the majority of SM are powergaming tools.

I'll bet it is more like: "All in all, the memorable SM players are powergaming tools."

I for one cant roll for . So when i played GK (until shortly after the new codex) i was used to heavy losses and it was kinda a bummer. For me it came from "I just dropped X points on something shouldn't it have done better?" but ya it does happen a ton particularly with stronger units. like killing a squad of termies with 5 rapid fire flashlights pissed off the guy i was playing. well either that or the "I cant believe that just happened" look on my face.

I've known a lot of cool SM players too. But we did have TFG in our high school game club. He believed my Orks were scum and thought it was bs that the warboss with power klaw could take out his tanks. He said "That would never happen, the tank would just run him over"

Hard to run over something that's just dodged to one side and ripped out your engine block


Personally i see Warboss vs vehicle as something like this





And Warboss vs their special character as :

 cox.dan2 wrote:
I've known a lot of cool SM players too. But we did have TFG in our high school game club. He believed my Orks were scum and thought it was bs that the warboss with power klaw could take out his tanks. He said "That would never happen, the tank would just run him over"

ya that guy sounds like an .

I think this has something to do that there are so many marine players. If most of the people at your game store play marines, it stands to reason that there is a very good chance that the TFGs and whiners will be playing marines. Marines also tend to attract the younger crowd, as we all know, so lots of times the maturity level just isn't there yet.

To contradict some of you. Ive gone entire games with my GK making every single save so to an extent power armor is invincible when your lucky.

As a SM player my self (and probly a bad fan-fiction writer some would say lol) it does not bother me if my army cops it because I just enjoy the game.

I remember playing my first ever game against nids and thinking this is awesome as I watched this lonelictor go on a rampage and cutting through my lads until all that was left from both sides was a lictor and a preditor with it's turret ripped off armed only with a bolter facing off over a body strewn battlefield.

I learned then and there that it's just the luck of the dice to how a game goes and who lives and dies as unbelievably my pred gun down the lictor on it's third of forth attempt.

In war people die, fact. And if your an SM player and your facing defeat, raise your banner high as you charge the hated enemy while 'shouting for the Emperor!' until you die gloriously for your lord and master. Marines don't moun, they die without a whimper of self pity.

 Ascalam wrote:


And Warboss vs their special character as :

HAHAHAHAHAHA! This should be entitled Warboss vs. Farseer.


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 prophet102 wrote:
To contradict some of you. Ive gone entire games with my GK making every single save so to an extent power armor is invincible when your lucky.

In that case, my Orks are invincible as well because It is possible for me to roll all 6's if I get really lucky, or for you to roll all 1's.

More Warboss vs Archon.

Loki is a big enough jerk to be DE , and is apparently fething lousy at predicting the future (or he would have run like hell instead of talking to the Hulk that way