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I don't think I've ever heard something like the OP is describing... when has anyone heard any player claim that a lasgun is over-powered? And anyone who is crying over a troop model dying is a serious mental case.

So I'm not sure the Peregrine is serious or kidding...

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I don't think I've ever heard something like the OP is describing... when has anyone heard any player claim that a lasgun is over-powered? And anyone who is crying over a troop model dying is a serious mental case.

So I'm not sure the Peregrine is serious or kidding...

No one claims lasguns are overpowered. People claim guard rolling 30/40/50, even 145 (max possible in one unit) lasgun shots. That's what brings the tears.

Most weirdest case of a opponent crying OP was against a Necron Player who after the second turn kept saying my Mastery Lv 3 Nurgle sorcerer with Palanquin, Sigil, spell familiar Murder Sword (I know what some of you are thinking but he hid his overlord in the corner of his deployment zone the entire game so didn't get near him) was so OP is wasn't funny just because I got a few lucky saves while the rest of my army was wiped out by just about every Necron gimmick in the book (mind scarabs, large scarab swarms, monoliths, C'tan etc) got Iron arm, endurance and weapon virus.
I lost badly it wasn't funny after which continued complainng how OP it was saying the CSM codex is too OP it is really unfair to players whose codex is not as OP
I avoid playing against him now

 TheCaptain wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I don't think I've ever heard something like the OP is describing... when has anyone heard any player claim that a lasgun is over-powered? And anyone who is crying over a troop model dying is a serious mental case.

So I'm not sure the Peregrine is serious or kidding...

No one claims lasguns are overpowered. People claim guard rolling 30/40/50, even 145 (max possible in one unit) lasgun shots. That's what brings the tears.

so? that's what you get when you play IG. The Necron player in our area never cried when I charged lightning claw Terminators into his warriors. No one cries when my Doom is killing troops just from proximity. It sounds like people need to get a grip or get out of gaming. If it is getting to these guys this much that their units are dying by the advantage of their enemy or the weakness of their own army, a serious supply of prozac may have to be shipped to some game stores.

Seriously, people, this is a game...

In my experience people whining about Space Marines being OP, too easy to play etc. are far more common.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
In my experience people whining about Space Marines being OP, too easy to play etc. are far more common.

exactly.

We all can agree that 40k is a lot better than online games...everyone in here who ever played a MOBA knows what I'm talking about.

There are, however, some really ridiculous guys out there you'd usually avoid...especially at tournaments. Game's going well when the TO decides to have a judge closely following one certain guy because of numerous complains.

Same goes for players you might know...ye know, people who, even before the game, already complain about their army being so weak (GK player...) while yours is so OP (not even one flyer -_-) and they just keep moaning throughout the entire game complaining about every tidbit. Sigh.

 Sigvatr wrote:
We all can agree that 40k is a lot better than online games...everyone in here who ever played a MOBA knows what I'm talking about.

*shudder*

And people say that wargamers are socially inept...

 Sigvatr wrote:
We all can agree that 40k is a lot better than online games...everyone in here who ever played a MOBA knows what I'm talking about.

There are, however, some really ridiculous guys out there you'd usually avoid...especially at tournaments. Game's going well when the TO decides to have a judge closely following one certain guy because of numerous complains.

Same goes for players you might know...ye know, people who, even before the game, already complain about their army being so weak (GK player...) while yours is so OP (not even one flyer -_-) and they just keep moaning throughout the entire game complaining about every tidbit. Sigh.

Forgive my ignorace, but what's a MOBA? (I've NEVER been into online games of any kind.)

As for Marine players being whiney gits. One of the local GK players will only play Warp Quake spam against my Daemons, because apparently Daemons are too OP in Fantasy and deserve to be kicked in the balls at every turn.

You should hear him rant about the WD update now... We only stop crying in mirth once we realise he's actually being serious and thinks Daemons are too powerful because Breath of Chaos is "broken & OP", while he believes that no daemons should have ap2 attacks.

One problem with SMs and statistics, is that each individual action has about a 2/3 chance of being successful. So you can look at a single multimelta shot, or armor save, or what not, and say "I should make this most of the time" Each roll is independent of each other.

But then reality rears its ugly head, and you look at how many dice you chuck in a game, and the overall number of failures. Making the transition from "odds of a single roll" to "statistic probabilities" is not easy to do.

I can only assume that guard and ork players assume they are going to fail all the time, so when they make armor saves, it's gravy. And half or more of every shot that goes downrange is going to miss. They can't assume success, and trust in weight of fire to get results.

It's the mindset difference between hoard and elite armies.

In the back of my mind, I know my MM land speeder is going to miss a third of the time, fail to pen occasionally, and roll crappy results on the damage chart frequently. But when I send it out, I trust that it will kill a tank. But I do tend to take a pessimistic view on dice; I know they are trying to kill me. So I build a few back-up plans into my army list, for when the MM speeder chokes out on the field.

If I was more of an optimist, I might rage against fate. But as a glass-half-empty kinda guy, I just shrug and move on.

I'm flippant about losses, I tend not to focus on individual models (with the exception of my HQ, but rather, focus on how my army overall is doing. I don't go into games thinking that I'll lose half my army or more, I go in thinking, how much damage can I inflict on the enemy. This mind set makes it so easy for me to accept losses. I suppose that's the difference between horde and elite. You care less about the fact that you lost two or three squads that turn.

Experiment 626 wrote:


Forgive my ignorace, but what's a MOBA? (I've NEVER been into online games of any kind.)

MOBA games are games like DotA, League of Legends, Smite, Guardians of Middle-Earth, etc. Highly competitive games and their communities are, simply put, trash. Everyone thinks he's god tier, everyone always blames his team / bad luck etc., extremely foul language...it's really, really bad. Imagine the worst guy you know. Imagine him having a bad day. Take that x10.

Hey, now THATS generalization! I play LoL, and so does alot of people I know and the vast majority of us are fully aware that we are medicore players at best.

Bad teams DO happen and it IS frustrating, but trash-talks and foul language gets you banned really, really quick.

On the flip side, good teams where you go like "well, I could have been AFK all game long and we would have still won" happen as well. and are also annoying as you feel useless.

Its just that the matchmaker makes mistakes sometimes and pair people who should not be playing with each other. a "good game" is where all players on both teams are around the same skill level, and that's what usually happens-then everyone have a good time whether they win or lose.

well, i would get pissed if i lost Mephiston, and a Furioso dreadnought turn one. but i expect to have them die

In my group, there is a vanilla, BA, SW, DA,GK.... and aside from the GK (who realises his dudes are just expensive tactical marines w/ power weapons) they all go into rage mode when my pod of devilgants comes in and kills a tactical squad. Then says nothing when they all get wiped in a single shooting phase from the tac squad next to them. As a tyranid player, I usually don't get to take my armor saves, normally because 6+ armor vs boltguns, or missiles/lascannons vs MC. The only real vindication comes when the 5 strong TWC unit charge 10 termagants, make 15 hits (12 regular/ 2rending) only to kill 2 gants .

I started off playing Tau in 5th and I think I used to be that guy.

I started with very few suits because there were rumors abound about Tau getting updated soon and my friends at the FLGS were fans of the bigger games. This would always end up with my enemy having more missile launchers than I had suits. So every time my few elites or HQs failed their cover save I'd have to remove an entire expensive model that also had my only real anti-MEQ firepower. My most common opponent also played BA with a DS unit led by Dante that would just destroy my army when it hit. The guy always ended up making every save/fnp no matter how much firepower I poured into his units. I never raged enough to go flipping tables, but it quickly made games not fun very quickly.

As I got more and more suits and experience I haven't freaked out from losing a suit or even entire unit. Though losing one does end up in me losing a lot of firepower.

I haven't really seen anybody get upset about losing models lately. I've taken down plenty of expensive models in overwatch and even taken down a lot of units in CC with crisis suits and firewarriors. I've lost plenty of suits to dangerous terrain checks lately. We've always been able to just laugh it off.

I think that Space Marine players (or any quality over quantity army) have this problem the most. However, it also happens with IG, Ork, and Tyranid players. It's especially hilarious when it happens with the latter, since it doesn't matter with their armies. I think it mostly comes from inexperience.

When I first started using power armor units, I was very impressed with how survivable they were, but I didn't expect them to be unkillable. I actually found it OP when I first started that the save for every model in an army would be 3+. I've since found that it isn't a problem. I also did have the prior experience of using models with 5+ and occasionally 4+ saves.

I think the reason why people rage about losing models is because they see it as a sign of losing, and if they lack experience, they don't have any other plan to try to win if one of their plans gets ruined because something got destroyed.

Yeah I used to get annoyed when the marines started falling but hey, I was 8 so I'd get rage regardless of how I was losing. Now after playing orks for ages I'm more like... I get to make a save? What sorcery is this!

I only become emotional when I've run out of Crypteks for Trazyn to inhabit. I also won't lie, I play warhammer while I drink....so that could contribute.

I usually get the runes of warding are op and unfun, yep being a pure.eldar player is.just fantastic these days amirite?

Gk and wolf players really like to whine about not being able to spam prescience all day

As a foot guard player I'm used to my models dying. It used to confused my friends (Blood Angels, Space Wolves x2 and Eldar) when instead of wincing when I lost 10 or more men in an assault, I shrugged it off like it was nothing. After a while they finally realized it literally was nothing to me other then 50pts.

I encountered this kind of player at my local GW. I was playing Space Marines and he was playing IG. This kid cried when my devastator squad took out his Leman Russ + chimera veteran squad in 2 turns. He's also a spoiled brat as well making his mum buy him something every time she comes to pick him up.

 BoomWolf wrote:
Hey, now THATS generalization! I play LoL, and so does alot of people I know and the vast majority of us are fully aware that we are medicore players at best.

Bad teams DO happen and it IS frustrating, but trash-talks and foul language gets you banned really, really quick.

On the flip side, good teams where you go like "well, I could have been AFK all game long and we would have still won" happen as well. and are also annoying as you feel useless.

Its just that the matchmaker makes mistakes sometimes and pair people who should not be playing with each other. a "good game" is where all players on both teams are around the same skill level, and that's what usually happens-then everyone have a good time whether they win or lose.

Of course it's a generalization

LoL truly has the upper hand though and it's the reason why after 2 years, I come back to LoL. Riot does a really good job at trying to keep things civil while Valve keeps driving the train right into the wall...Valve is unwilling to work on fundamental problems such as the Russian problem, no surrender option and terrible manners while letting the game stagnate. still, there are a lot of really terrible players in LoL too. Mostly youngsters.

Alas, it's going off-topic though

i am one of those horrible people at LoL.

 Peregrine wrote:
One of the most annoying player types I've encountered is TFG who complains every single time they lose a model. Tactical squad rolled ten saves and failed two? WHY CAN'T MY POWER ARMOR WORK. Lasguns rolled below average and killed a single model? LASGUNS ARE OVERPOWERED. You took plasma guns and killed something with them? STOP BEING TFG AND PLASMA SPAMMING. Killed a Land Raider? MELTA IS OP, STOP BEING TFG. No matter if you rolled average, or even below average, any outcome in which a space marine dies is automatically unfair. And needless to say this completely ruins the game, to the point where you have to start seriously considering not shooting anymore just to get them to shut up.

So, the question to the rest of you: is there something about having 2+/3+ armor saves that makes you expect that all of your stuff should never die? Are IG/Ork/etc players forced to learn how to handle losses or ragequit and disappear from the community faster? Or is it just coincidence that the examples that I've encountered have both been marine players?

What I have found is that many Space Marine players discount as useless any specialized melee unit that cannot one shot a terminator regularly. Of course this means that just about EVERY melee unit in the game is useless by their definition. No one cries louder than Space Marine players, though, when a melee unit actually *can* do that, because, yes, they think their terminators should never die.

That said I've not seen space marine players be the only ones who rage quite. Oddly one of my regular opponents HATES the level of ability of his Imperial Guard, but at the same time he loves them and will never even consider playing anything else on the table. Hahahahahaha

Skriker


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 GhostKnight31 wrote:
Most weirdest case of a opponent crying OP was against a Necron Player who after the second turn kept saying my Mastery Lv 3 Nurgle sorcerer with Palanquin, Sigil, spell familiar Murder Sword (I know what some of you are thinking but he hid his overlord in the corner of his deployment zone the entire game so didn't get near him) was so OP is wasn't funny just because I got a few lucky saves while the rest of my army was wiped out by just about every Necron gimmick in the book (mind scarabs, large scarab swarms, monoliths, C'tan etc) got Iron arm, endurance and weapon virus.
I lost badly it wasn't funny after which continued complainng how OP it was saying the CSM codex is too OP it is really unfair to players whose codex is not as OP
I avoid playing against him now

That is rich! A necron playing complaining that someone else's codex is overpowered, ESPECIALLY after it sounds like he wiped out your entire army with little difficulty except for that one Nurgle sorcerer...ummm...yeah...some people really just need a good dose of perspective, preferably wrapped around a large baseball bat.

Skriker

I used to have a friend that has moved recently and he played Eldar but the crappy thing about playing against him was that whenever I destroyed a wave serpent of wiped a squad he would pitch a major tantrum in the middle of our FLGS it was quite embarrassing.

So it is not just a SM player thing it is a crybaby whiner thing regardless of army played.

One of my normal opponents plays GK and will normally just stand there and look at his models that fail saves. I think he's letting the death of his expensive units sink in. I fully expect to see a single tear roll down his cheek as I look at him looking at his models.

I play ork so I have a big smile on my face as I shovel off my dead boyz. It just so fun!

I never tend to care about lost models unless it's just ridiculous or I lose a whole squad. Even then I tend to just laugh it off.

Two examples:
-The very first time I used a librarian with my Raven Guard army, he got perils on one power and failed the other. Starting off strong!

-Whenever I play with my green tide, if I can't get one of the boys to stay standing I just say that his friends killed him. I have 120 boys to replace him haha.

I know whenever I shoot 8 missile launchers at a rhino to only shake , while my opponent explodes my predator, and two rhinos with 8 autocannons. It can Set me on edge. I don't think I ever get whiney, but maybe a little bit to observant of when I fail more saves than I should have. Really I think its because you remember what you failed and not when you killed all 5 termites with a tac squad

 rabid1903 wrote:
I never tend to care about lost models unless it's just ridiculous or I lose a whole squad. Even then I tend to just laugh it off.

Two examples:
-The very first time I used a librarian with my Raven Guard army, he got perils on one power and failed the other. Starting off strong!

I got over losses back during 2nd edition Space Marine. In a 6000point a side game we had no less than 4 sets of 3 cannon of khorne each. For those not in the know cannon of khorne had a randomly rolled strength with a 1 in 6 chance of misfiring and blowing themselves up. On our first turn our side proceeded to fire with all 4 units in series. At the end of rolling for the last unit there were 3 cannon left out of the initial 12 and we hadn't destroyed or even hit anything other than our own 9 cannon. The whole room laughed for about 20 minutes straight on that one. After that, though, nothing else ever came close to the insanity so I never got bugged by losses again.

Skriker