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hello dakka,

quick question about applying a weapon destroyed result against a dreadnought armed with a multi-melta and a DCCW w/built in storm bolter. since the storm bolter is built into the DCCW, do they count as a single weapon or two separate weapons? in other words, does the dreadnought count as having a total of 2 weapons or 3?

3, but if the weapon destroyed result is chosen by your opponent (if this is even an option anymore), and they choose the DCCW, you lose both it and the built-in weapon.

BRB says the weapon that gets destroyed is chosen randomly. I just wasn't sure if I should be rolling d2 or d3 to figure it out.

You roll for it - taking the random result.

If you roll your storm bolter then thats all thats gone.

however, lose your dreadnought ccw arm and it takes the bolter with it.

Where are people getting that losing the DCCW also takes out the storm bolter? There's nothing about it in the FAQ, and the closest similar example would be the Razorback Lascannon/Plasmagun turret, which the FAQ goes on to state are considered independant of each other for weapon destroyed.

Not saying you're wrong - I've just not heard anyone try to play it that way before nor can I recall reading anything to support it.

the words built in kinda set that in stone for us really...

 Bloodhorror wrote:
the words built in kinda set that in stone for us really...

This is the way I've always played it. Anything that is built-in, like the DCCW(SB) get taken out together with one hit. So your basic dread had 2 options, one for each arm.

 Bloodhorror wrote:
the words built in kinda set that in stone for us really...

If I recall, this is correct
Since the storm bolter is built into the DCCW its considered 'one weapon' for weapon destroyed results
Correct me if Im wrong

 Nathemo wrote:

 Bloodhorror wrote:
the words built in kinda set that in stone for us really...

If I recall, this is correct
Since the storm bolter is built into the DCCW its considered 'one weapon' for weapon destroyed results
Correct me if Im wrong

Kind of.
The storm bolter can be destroyed seperately. So a Dread with DCCW;MM;Built in SB will have 3 weapons.
However if you roll up DCCW you blow up the DCCW+Storm Bolter

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

 Nathemo wrote:

 Bloodhorror wrote:
the words built in kinda set that in stone for us really...

If I recall, this is correct
Since the storm bolter is built into the DCCW its considered 'one weapon' for weapon destroyed results
Correct me if Im wrong

Kind of.
The storm bolter can be destroyed seperately. So a Dread with DCCW;MM;Built in SB will have 3 weapons.
However if you roll up DCCW you blow up the DCCW+Storm Bolter

I see, I thought you rolled for it as 'one weapon'. Learn something new every day

is this just the accepted way to play it or can someone point me to an actual page number? it seems reasonable, I'm just curious if it's in official black and white somewhere.

 varl wrote:
is this just the accepted way to play it or can someone point me to an actual page number? it seems reasonable, I'm just curious if it's in official black and white somewhere.

IIRC the storm bolter going with the DCCW was from a prior SM FAQ. However it does say built-in.

For the number of weapons - that is black and white; randomly choose a weapon. No exception for "built in" weapons

For removing built in weapons when their arm is gone? You could try to use it, but you have no permission to draw LOS, range etc as the mount is gone. So again, play it that it is still "there", but you cannot make usre of it.

Just FYI, it says it in the "Weapon Destroyed" results section in the BRB. Pg. 74

"Weapon Destroyed. One of the vehicle's weapons (randomly chosen) is destroyed - including any combi- or built in weapons. This can include vehicle upgrades that function as weapons, such as pintle-mounted storm bolters or hunter-killer missiles. Do not count weapons that have run out of ammunition - they're already non-functional for the most part. If a vehicle has no weapons left, treat this result as an Immobilized result instead (see below)."

Ugh. I fail at reading. I read that passage 3 times last night and totally missed the built-in part. Thank you