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Meanwhile, if anybody needs me, Im going to head over to Jalopnik and write a review for the new Hyundai Elantra, because even though Ive never actually driven one I simply dont like Hyundai. Im sure the people who like Hyundai no matter what will appreciate my input.

I see what you did there. Nice.

I agree that black templar is a lacking book but I think it is due to age. Its still a fun army to play and if you like them then play them no matter what people tell you. Everyone know about SW bull crap.

I like the fairy terminators. They are one of the best things you can take and I recommend them. I run them in my BT lists.

I watched a BT match today at our local store. The opponent was starting to shoot a BT blob with a bunch of units and it was turn 5. The black blob was nowhere near his deployment zone and the BT player didn't have any linebreaker yet. After a turn of shooting and a bunch of dead marines a small unit of crusaders was deep in the enemy deployment zone and the game ended after that turn to BT victory by 4 points. The same unit then captured an objective in the enemy deployment zone. So even if the book is outdated, it can surprise some players with little to none experience on BT, but as it is with tournaments and competitive play, you should do your homework before constructing a list and will know the small arsenal of BT tricks the codex has to offer. That being said, It was fun to look at the opposing players face when he basically shot down his victory

You play to your strengths. I play Black Tide for fun games and thats it. Typically Black Tide, small shooting Crusader squad, CMLx2 Termis, and 2x Typhoons. If I actually went to a tournament I would completely change that list up. Go minimum Crusader squads with LRC spam. CML Termis or Preds for backup. Im even starting a plasma bike squad. I have an extra Pred, two LRCs, and a Vindi on my To Buy list.

I dont give a flying feth if I win or lose; this is my army, I love them, and at the end of the day they look great sitting on the shelf collecting dust. We have enough big names at GW pulling for us that sooner or later we will get that update. BT moves product and thats the end of it. I dont worry about anything on my little Crusade, especially how many trolls Im going to have to chew up this week.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

J99Pwrangler wrote:


You dont need to post any more on Black Templar forums if you feel this way.

What Templar forums? There are none. I don't feel this way, I know that Black Templars are done and finished, it doesn't take a genius to work it out, as I highlighted in that post. GW are going to urinate all over them, dump them in a ditch like SOB and at best give them a terrible WD codex.

Bolter and Chainsword. Largest Power Armor-dedicated site around. The BT forum has a strong fanbase and it is where I go for in-depth tactica and army lists, made by hands-on actual Black Templar players, not outside observers who have never actually tried the product in question and spend 20 minutes of their day writing unwanted essays outlining its weakpoints for a uncaring audience.

Wrong, I spent 1 hour, the Essay was constructive and added to the discussion and as the OP thanked me for it, and as such it was not, as you say, for an "uncaring audience". Neither was it directed solely at you, as I am sure you would assume.

If you would tone down your degrees of hostility somewhat, please.


Meanwhile, if anybody needs me, Im going to head over to Jalopnik and write a review for the new Hyundai Elantra, because even though Ive never actually driven one I simply dont like Hyundai. Im sure the people who like Hyundai no matter what will appreciate my input.

I do and have played BT, contrary to this uncalled for tripe I would describe as not adding to the discussion. Just because my Marines are blue it doesn't mean I can't use the BT rules with them. I haven't got the change to start a BT army solely to use with the Codex.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:


especially how many trolls Im going to have to chew up this week.

Oh please

masquerade81 wrote:
I watched a BT match today at our local store. The opponent was starting to shoot a BT blob with a bunch of units and it was turn 5. The black blob was nowhere near his deployment zone and the BT player didn't have any linebreaker yet. After a turn of shooting and a bunch of dead marines a small unit of crusaders was deep in the enemy deployment zone and the game ended after that turn to BT victory by 4 points. The same unit then captured an objective in the enemy deployment zone. So even if the book is outdated, it can surprise some players with little to none experience on BT, but as it is with tournaments and competitive play, you should do your homework before constructing a list and will know the small arsenal of BT tricks the codex has to offer. That being said, It was fun to look at the opposing players face when he basically shot down his victory

Please explain how a margin of a D6, or at best 2D6 distance is impressive.

J99Pwrangler wrote:
I am just stating everyone has there opinion, and all your doing is bashing. Its not needed here.

Back to the OP. Templars are not dead what so ever. Just play them to their strengths.

-5 man troops with a special weapon, and heavy.

Big deal, a Long Fang squad with 4 ML's is 15 points more and can split fire. Also, this unit suffers from being absolutely hopeless as an objective holder thanks to the dumb RZ changes.

-20 man troop blobs.

Are poor overall, as I have highlighted in my "essay."

-techmarine with 2 wounds, equipment from the BT armory

Mediocre

-Marshal with 10 LD to the whole army

Leadership is rarely a big deal and you're still taking tests left right and center so its hardly a positive.

-3 special weapons on bikes

Bikes which cost 7 points more than the SM versions, and the fact you're getting one more special weapon isn't worth taking them for.

-cheap melta bombs on assault marines

Assault Marines are terrible anyway, and you have to rely on them reaching the tank by foot.

-Vindicator with PotMS (move 12" shoot 24" for 36" range)

Costs a bomb, suffers the crippling disadvantage of being a Vindicator.

-terminators with special abilities (tank hunter, or F.Charge)

Not enough to justify picking BT over anything else.

-Cheap Typhoons

All the points you saved just fill the gap between vanilla marine Rhino's and BT Rhino's, which are 15 points more expensive barebones.


Theres probably a few more I am not thinking of. But Templars are not dead by any means.

Yes, yes they are.

One point i would like to make is the fact that BT, as almost all other armies, can take allies depending, if they are lacking in some departement. For example i could see OG being a good match for the BT to support their play style.

Tenacious troll is tenacious. OP asked for help with his army. You did the opposite by tearing the army apart. He only thanked you because he is polite. Now youve got a bunch of BT players on your case. Youre either A) too stupid to realize the outcome of your actions or B) a troll. Everybody here is perfectly aware that theyre outdated but we simply dont care and stick by them.

Nobody wants you here so I would suggest you take the high road and simply piss off. If youre not capable of that then I suppose youre either going to get ignored or the mods will eventually notice you keep derailing the thread.

@ D3m01iti0n
I am a nice guy and wanted to know if there was still a assault list that was still even in the semi-competitive list area. I was wanting a descussion on what units would be good with this army, as i am sure that there is a viable list out there that can actually work. Eventually I want to make a SOB ally ( Exorcist launchers) to help with a few things that i have found to be lacking with most builds I can think of.

What i would like to see is, what kind of army still works that is assault based, OR is that side of BT dead ( when I think of BT I think of pissed off holy men banging on your door ) so if someone could help with that, that would be awesome or even what units are still viable in 6th edition. For I do not want this army to die because I love the looks of the models and their fluff.

And like i said above. I welcome Mr.Omega's ideas. If people don't like it, tell me WHY. So far i have heard the negative, Show me some positive ( which is what i am wanting to hear) and some ideas to go off of.

The purpose of this thread was to see if I can create an assault list. I will take allies to shoot unless i can do both.

anyways, please help in any way you can

Lunacara

Let this go through one more time. Can someone help with this list please?

Assault is situational vs army and player. The best youre going to get is multiple LRCs with small CC Crusader squads and an Assault Termi squad. But what Ive been telling you is if you want to hang in 6th you need to be well rounded and prepare for all comers.

Good Units:

-Shooty Crusaders
-Shooty Terminators
-Assault Terminators
-Plasma BIkes
-Vinids
-Pred Annihilators
-LRC
-Aegis Defense Line
-Chaplains
-Marshalls
-Techmarines
-Typhoon Speeders

Meh or Situational:

-CC Crusaders
-Assault Marines
-Grimaldus
-Lasbacks

Dont Bother:

-Rhinos
-Sword Bretheren
-Helbrecht
-Command Squads



If you MUST assault, use EC and MoS with a CC Crusader squad in an LRC. Put shooters on objectives and have them Go to Ground to keep RZ from pulling them off. Use the Crusader-filled LRC to intercept potential threats to objectives. Use Cyclone or AssCan Termis in an Aegis to pull down flyers or pop metal bawkses. If you have the points, use another LRC full of Assault Termis with a TDA Marshall agains MCs and heavy targets. Preds on back line for heavy support, or Typhoons zipping around for quick strikes.

Thats more or less the only way youre going to be competetive in 6th.


EDIT: I missed the shooting allies part. Just go with a foot slog Black Tide with EC and Grimaldus, one in an LRC, and TH/SS LC Termis with TDA Marshall in another LRC. Then have allies shoot. I dunno lol? I dont use allies.

I don't know exactly what's in the BT codex, but I have a pretty good idea from this thread.

It sounds like they have the same problem all the BA fanboys do that still want to rush jumpers into things like CSM, grey hunters, and Tyranids. This is not going to work.

Tyranids don't function with just walls of bodies anymore. They have flyers. They have decent ranged attacks. They have fleet beasts. If you try to mimic the Tyranid army with none of these components, you will get shot off the table.

I'm having enough trouble keeping jumpers with FNP from being shot off the table or crippled to the point of ineffectiveness.

It sounds like the changes to non-assault transports kicked the BT right in the jimmies just like the BA. Don't know if you guys had Furious charge, but that nerf bat sucks too. I wasn't too concerned at first, but after playing some games it sucks hard. The BA, like is seems the BT, can no longer fulfill their fluff.

I rank the BA above the BT only because it sounds like we can adapt to 6th better with more dakka options. Since that's what the game is about now.

Martel732 wrote:
I don't know exactly what's in the BT codex, but I have a pretty good idea from this thread.

It sounds like they have the same problem all the BA fanboys do that still want to rush jumpers into things like CSM, grey hunters, and Tyranids. This is not going to work.

Tyranids don't function with just walls of bodies anymore. They have flyers. They have decent ranged attacks. They have fleet beasts. If you try to mimic the Tyranid army with none of these components, you will get shot off the table.

I'm having enough trouble keeping jumpers with FNP from being shot off the table or crippled to the point of ineffectiveness.

It sounds like the changes to non-assault transports kicked the BT right in the jimmies just like the BA. Don't know if you guys had Furious charge, but that nerf bat sucks too. I wasn't too concerned at first, but after playing some games it sucks hard. The BA, like is seems the BT, can no longer fulfill their fluff.

I rank the BA above the BT only because it sounds like we can adapt to 6th better with more dakka options. Since that's what the game is about now.

What this guy said. I mean if you could list tailor, sure, you could bring the perfect counters and probably do fine. But BT doesnt have a God-mode build like some of these spoon-fed armies and you need to bring a little bit of each of their best offerings to survive. A full assault army is dead in the water.

Ok. Well I will try a shooty list maybe seeing as assault based wont work anymore. Like said above it doesnt seem their fluff to shoot and not kill in cc. Well might experiment with allies or just go with this mech list I have been hearing about.