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Can a flyer leave the table on the turn it arrived deliberately?

Not during the movement phase. It can flat out during Shooting however.

rigeld2 wrote:
Not during the movement phase. It can flat out during Shooting however.

I do not think a zooming flyer can move flatout only 18-36, I know they can if they are in hover mode but then again you can not come on the board in hover mode.

"A zooming flyer that goes flat out must move forwards in a straight line between 12" and 24"" (81)

If you couldn't do it, there wouldn't be a rule telling how far you could move.

The game does become stupid if you let flat out leave the board though. "Oh hi, my flyer is literally invincible and can drop troops on T5. This will be super fun!". Fortunately, the rules have this to say: "It's quite likely that a Flyer making a Zoom move will leave the board, either deliberately or by accident.". So, what is a Zoom move? "Flyers can usually only make a special kind of move called Zoom." I would say a flat out move is not a Zoom move, so has no permission to leave the board.

You can't disembark and flat out in the same turn. You can't do anything at flat out in the same turn, really.

And yes, flyers going flat out are still zooming. That was discussed in another thread some time ago, as well.

Eyjio wrote:
The game does become stupid if you let flat out leave the board though. "Oh hi, my flyer is literally invincible and can drop troops on T5. This will be super fun!". Fortunately, the rules have this to say: "It's quite likely that a Flyer making a Zoom move will leave the board, either deliberately or by accident.". So, what is a Zoom move? "Flyers can usually only make a special kind of move called Zoom." I would say a flat out move is not a Zoom move, so has no permission to leave the board.

Seriously, have you read the rules quote above which tells you how far a zooming flyer moves?

 Kevin949 wrote:
You can't disembark and flat out in the same turn

In the cases of the unit disembarking before the vehicle moves the vehicle can move normally, so says Page 79. Unless I missed something.

"If the vehicle had not moved before the unit disembarked, the vehicle can then move normally." (79)

Stroggified wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Not during the movement phase. It can flat out during Shooting however.

I do not think a zooming flyer can move flatout only 18-36, I know they can if they are in hover mode but then again you can not come on the board in hover mode.

The underlined is incorrect.

P.81 says explicitly that you can enter from reserves in either Zoom or hover mode.

DR - nope, you cannot have someone disembark and then flatout, same as 5th

nosferatu1001 wrote:
DR - nope, you cannot have someone disembark and then flatout, same as 5th

what did I miss?

"If the vehicle had not moved before the unit disembarked, the vehicle can then move normally. If the vehicle had already moved before the unit disembarked, the vehicle cannot move further...that turn." (RB p79)

Seems like if the vehicle was stationary, the troops can get out and the vehicle can then move normally. But if the vehicle has already moved, then it cannot move flat out after the troops disembarked. There is no general restriction on moving flat out after disembarking.

Hmm, looks like I was just imagining it. Could have sworn I saw that restriction still in there.

Apoloigies everyone

I thought it was under flat out.

The only restriction on Flat out in the vehicles section that I have found is on P.72

"A Tank cannot move Flat out in the same turn that it performs a Tank Shock." (72)

Also it looks like you can disembark a squad, then declare zoom for the flyer. Because P. 79 disembarking says "If the vehicle had not moved before the unit disembarked, the
vehicle can then move normally." Unless I missed something.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Kevin949 wrote:
You can't disembark and flat out in the same turn

In the cases of the unit disembarking before the vehicle moves the vehicle can move normally, so says Page 79. Unless I missed something.

"If the vehicle had not moved before the unit disembarked, the vehicle can then move normally." (79)

Hm, man I could have sworn I read it somewhere just the other day. But ya, you're right on that from what I can see. Thanks.

But, for the case at hand to the topic of the thread, it is not possible to do it.

You can't disembark a unit and then Zoom. It's in the preceding paragraph, although the grammar is messed up.

page 79 wrote:A unit that begins its Movement phase embarked upon a vehicle can disembark either before or after the vehicle has moved (including pivoting on the spot, etc.) so long as the vehicle has not moved more than 6".

The vehicle's still limited to 6" if a unit gets out.

Except that can only relate to the movement phase, and not the shooting phase - "moved" must refer to the time context of disembarking, which is Movement phase

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Except that can only relate to the movement phase, and not the shooting phase - "moved" must refer to the time context of disembarking, which is Movement phase

Nevermind, I missed his first sentence.

 Mannahnin wrote:
You can't disembark a unit and then Zoom. It's in the preceding paragraph, although the grammar is messed up.

page 79 wrote:A unit that begins its Movement phase embarked upon a vehicle can disembark either before or after the vehicle has moved (including pivoting on the spot, etc.) so long as the vehicle has not moved more than 6".

The vehicle's still limited to 6" if a unit gets out.

But when they disembark the vehicle has not moved at all.

So it has not moved more than 6 inches.

The "so long as the vehicle has not moved more than 6" clause refers to the "after the vehicle has moved" part of the sentence.

Basically what it is saying is that a unit can disembark so long as the vehicle has not moved more than 6 inches.

This does not limit the vehicles movement as the vehicle can move normally.

 Mannahnin wrote:
You can't disembark a unit and then Zoom. It's in the preceding paragraph, although the grammar is messed up.

page 79 wrote:A unit that begins its Movement phase embarked upon a vehicle can disembark either before or after the vehicle has moved (including pivoting on the spot, etc.) so long as the vehicle has not moved more than 6".

The vehicle's still limited to 6" if a unit gets out.

In the instance of the nightscythe though the FAQ states they can disembark any time before or after.

“Invasion Beams: A unit that begins its Movement phase
embarked upon a Night Scythe can disembark before or after
the vehicle has moved (including pivoting on the spot, etc) so
long as the vehicle has not moved more than 36". If the Night
Scythe moves more than 24" in the same turn, the disembarking
unit can only fire Snap Shots.”

I'm sure other flyers with the ability to disembark troops while zooming have similar clauses in their rules. However, with how this rule addition is worded it implies you would not be able to utilize your full flatout movement if it would bring you over 36" as there is no mention of movement phase, only movement. And flat out *is* movement.

The problem with not restricting the movement of the flyer if the squad disembarks before it moves is that it functionally never has to Hover, then. I could Zoom my BA Storm Raven onto the table 36", then the next turn disembark and assault with my Death Company, and have the SR Zoom away, never giving my opponent a chance to shoot at it without Skyfire or needing 6s.

I really think the rule I quoted on page 79 does mean to restrict the movement of the vehicle after disembarkation as well.

Night Scythes are a special case as GW has made them able to embark and disembark normally despite zooming.

"has not moved" cannot mean "will not move" - the meanings are incredibly different!

You must declare, before the flyer moves, which movement type you will be using. It doesn't say "immediately before" so im fairly certain you can declare it will be moving as hover type, disembark troops, then move normally as a fast skimmer.
Until you declare it's type, you cannot embark or disembark models from the flyer. There's no such thing as a schroedinger's cat mode. It must be one or the other.

 Fafnir13 wrote:
You must declare, before the flyer moves, which movement type you will be using. It doesn't say "immediately before" so im fairly certain you can declare it will be moving as hover type, disembark troops, then move normally as a fast skimmer.
Until you declare it's type, you cannot embark or disembark models from the flyer. There's no such thing as a schroedinger's cat mode. It must be one or the other.

The underlined is false.

You only move one unit at a time and you must complete all of that units movement before you move another unit. This is described on P. 10

It does say "You must declare, before the flyer moves" but it gives no specific time frame therefore at any point before the flyer moves you can declare the flyer in zoom or hover mode if that is at the beginning of your movement phase, or almost the end of the movement phase, as long as it is before the flyer moves then you are following the rules.

You only have permission to disembark from a flyer that is in hover mode. Until it has been declared as such, you cannot disembark.
You can still make the declaration, disembark troops, then move as a fast skimmer.

 Fafnir13 wrote:
You only have permission to disembark from a flyer that is in hover mode.

Citation needed, because I do not see that rule.

Page 80-81 do not have any restrictions on disembarking from a Zooming Flyer.

We have permission to disembark from a vehicle. as long as it has been stationary or moved 6 inches or less.

a flyer that has not moved yet this turn fits the criteria.

Except that the rules clearly state you may not disembark from a Zooming Flyer. You must first determine what the movement type is before you can attempt to interact with the object.

I'll grant that this is an excellent example of a RAW loop hole that the unscrupulous could make a fair attempt at during gameplay. However, RAI is so painfully clear in this instance. If played the way proposed, every flyer in the game would be free to drop troops off while never leaving Zoom mode without the aid of any special rule. Others have noted this before.
But I doubt that will convince you. I usually read YMDC just to see what crazy stuff a person might try to pull on the table, allowing me to work through it ahead of time without the pressure/bias of an ongoing game.

 Fafnir13 wrote:
Except that the rules clearly state you may not disembark from a Zooming Flyer.

Can you provide a page number please, because I could not find it.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Fafnir13 wrote:
You only have permission to disembark from a flyer that is in hover mode.

Citation needed, because I do not see that rule.

Page 80-81 do not have any restrictions on disembarking from a Zooming Flyer.

We have permission to disembark from a vehicle. as long as it has been stationary or moved 6 inches or less.

a flyer that has not moved yet this turn fits the criteria.

This is untrue. Zooming requires a minimum movement of more than the 6" allowed to disembark from a vehicle. If you choose to disembark from a zooming flyer, then it cannot move more than 6" and would subsequently crash. Although this would bring into question whether or not you can "voluntarily" move only 6".

How does that make what I said untrue?

We have permission to disembark from a vehicle. as long as it has been stationary or moved 6 inches or less.

When you disembark from a flyer that has not moved yet you are allowed to disembark because the vehicle has not moved in the current movement phase.

Can you provide a page number and directions to the rules that disallow disembarking from a stationary flyer, because I have shown permission to disembark from a stationary vehicle. P.79 under Disembarking.