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I'm happy for Dark Angel fans, but honestly most of this just looks really silly to me. This feels more like Saturday morning cartoon 40K than anything that's come before it. Of course, I've never been a DA fan, so I'm sure i'm not the target audience.

Keep in mind he wrote the Ogres and Skaven army books which are quite powerful.

That said "Praise the Emperor, and pass out the terminator and flyers. Lets go to war!"

love the terminators, darktalons and ravenwing squads. I like Belial, not so much Asmodai. I personally like the monster speeder which i call the Mobile Oppression Palace

 jake wrote:
I'm happy for Dark Angel fans, but honestly most of this just looks really silly to me. This feels more like Saturday morning cartoon 40K than anything that's come before it. Of course, I've never been a DA fan, so I'm sure i'm not the target audience.

Dunno...the feel may change a bit, but that is probably because GW wants their models and action to feel more dynamic, more cinematic as it were.

Almost like Saturday Morning Watchmen...

I was thinking that "Dark Talon" would be great conversion material for a Chaos fighter (no mechanical Dragon for me, thank you very much). But $75!? Seriously, GW?

 catharsix wrote:
I was thinking that "Dark Talon" would be great conversion material for a Chaos fighter (no mechanical Dragon for me, thank you very much). But $75!? Seriously, GW?

Their models are certainly creeping up in price. Some of the prices are not too bad, but for the newer, shinier stuff, it is getting a bit ridiculous.

 captain collius wrote:
Keep in mind he wrote the Ogres and Skaven army books which are quite powerful.

That said "Praise the Emperor, and pass out the terminator and flyers. Lets go to war!"

love the terminators, darktalons and ravenwing squads. I like Belial, not so much Asmodai. I personally like the monster speeder which i call the Mobile Oppression Palace

Awesome Dr. Zoidberg reference! That might be my favorite Futurama episode...

Well I just have to say, finally, a new Codex. I hope it has been repaired. As for the new models, I have a bunch of termies already, maybe the knights. Beliel, maybe, Asmodai, yes. The flyer, yes. One unit of the bikes for sure even tho I have a bunch already. The land speeder, we'll see. My only hope is that they didn't break up our bike units or termies. My units are already set, so I hope structure doesn't change. Again, FINALLY!!

There will probably be the standard "Ok...some these units are still the same but with different options" and the "Gak! A quarter of my army is now useless" and "Oh hey, they became better!" followed by the "Still won't touch these with a ten foot poll" and lastly "Well, now time to invest $200 in flyers...."

War one, was that watchman thing a real cartoon lol?

Wow, was hoping for, but not expecting Vetock. I am relieved and excited!

Liking most of what I am seeing. Love the flyers (not the price, yikes), and the deathwing knights are ace. Not in love with Belial or the Landspeeder Vengeance, but overall very happy!


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haroon wrote:
War one, was that watchman thing a real cartoon lol?

No, it was done as a joke. A very well one and elaborate joke.

The standard command termies look good but the robed versions seem a bit much (like the pulpit land speeder).

Man, I just now noticed that there is actually a third marine sitting in the back of the speeder...

Sweet, Speeder with a DJ. Now I want to make Daft Punk Marines...

You'd think that ornamentation would seriously hinder the vehicle's fighting capabilities....wouldn't be surprised if it gave it a 4++ save instead.

Ya, the speeder makes no sense to me.

Block off the passenger seat for........no good reason? Move the passenger forward for no good reason, and then add a third marine in the back for........no good reason? (I'm seeing a pattern here).

The circular area in the rear where the third marine and the pointless statues sit could have been a good place for a turrent, or a missle rack, or something?

So much potential. Such a let down.

Man oh man was this a pleasant surprise.

the dark talon looks oh so much better than the other marine flyers, not as good as some other armies however, but I'm not complaining!
the deathwing kit is amazing and I love the knights, definitely going to be joining my growing deathwing army, I hope they don't invalidate all my termies though.
The ravenwing are amazing, and I'm guessing TEQ will cry when they see those black knights. plus they have the look of the DV bikes, which were one of my favorite sculpts from the kit. Also, no Sammael will not be an option in the black knight kit. they are re-releasing him as can be seen on the pricing page.
I do wish they had made Asmodai a tad more interesting though, he looks like a vanilla chaplain.

now onto my dislikes:

First and foremost, the fething vengeance land speeder. I wouldn't mind it if it weren't for the front guy, other than that it looks meh.
and finally, Belial. it looks like he needed to cleanse his holy bladder in the middle of a fight and is desperately trying to look intimidating. Makes me glad I kitbashed a belial already, and I'm hoping he can still switch out for TH/SS because otherwise I will have to convert something up again, I am most certainly not buying this guy.

All in all I enjoy this release, and I breathed a sigh of relief when I saw Vetock was writing it. I hope we get a nice update and I'm hopeful this won't be all too overpowered.

And even if the fluff is bad, I still have the old book to keep me fluff-fulfilled.
I think we all have to remember just how bland and vanilla Dark angels looked a while ago, before DV. Now we have some things to separate us from the vanilla codex, for better or worse.

at least now I know what to do with my christmas money!

 Zachariel wrote:

And even if the fluff is bad, I still have the old book to keep me fluff-fulfilled.

Good news, we have a guy at the helm praised for his work for a change. Maybe this could be a good thing.

 WarOne wrote:

 Zachariel wrote:

And even if the fluff is bad, I still have the old book to keep me fluff-fulfilled.

Good news, we have a guy at the helm praised for his work for a change. Maybe this could be a good thing.

Oh really? I've heard of vetock from some local fantasy players but didn't really know all that much about him, I was mostly just glad it wasn't ward.

Of course i'm still a bit cautious, but I'm overall optimistic about this release

Didn't we have an interview with one of the GW guys that basically said that the minis get made first and then they are told to come up with rules for them?

 Zachariel wrote:

 WarOne wrote:

 Zachariel wrote:

And even if the fluff is bad, I still have the old book to keep me fluff-fulfilled.

Good news, we have a guy at the helm praised for his work for a change. Maybe this could be a good thing.

Oh really? I've heard of vetock from some local fantasy players but didn't really know all that much about him, I was mostly just glad it wasn't ward.

Of course i'm still a bit cautious, but I'm overall optimistic about this release

There is very little chatter on him in general (a search through DakkaDakka reveals only two pages of him) but what is generally stated across the internet is decently described as positive talk for him.

I believe I've heard that before
unsure if it is totally true

The problem with the speeder and the flyer with me is, they look more like something a Sister's player would have, not a marine. Most marine vehicles have a style of boxy practicality (I will concede some units are more ornate, like venerable and some land raiders). The flyer and speeder, with the shrines and pulpits all over them don't really match the rest of the marine aesthetic.

Pretty happy with most the models, then again everything is shiny and new to me and I still have that new hobby glow going on. Just getting back into gaming after about a 12 year absence.

Co-worker gave me his DA from DV when he found out I was into gaming. Decided to roll with it.

Very happy I put off buying any new models/codex, despite everyone telling me I couldn't trust the rumor mill and not to expect new stuff anytime soon!

Valic wrote:

Very happy I put off buying any new models/codex, despite everyone telling me I couldn't trust the rumor mill and not to expect new stuff anytime soon!

Always assume the rumors are just that....rumors. Of course, its your decision to do what you will with your war-gaming stuff.

Do the Fliers remind anyone else of the Death Gliders from Stargate?

But otherwise still nice to see whats comming.

Well any reservations I had about selling my old Dark Angels are, well, completely gone.

Those models are "Le Silly."

I think that speeder may very well qualify as the most ridiculous model I've ever seen in 40k, right up there with the power papoose.

Well I know my local shop still has 3 of the old land speeders and Ravenwing battleforces in stock, time to go get those before the new speeders replace them.

Everything else besides the speeders looks great though.

fursphere wrote:
Ya, the speeder makes no sense to me.

Block off the passenger seat for........no good reason? Move the passenger forward for no good reason, and then add a third marine in the back for........no good reason? (I'm seeing a pattern here).

The circular area in the rear where the third marine and the pointless statues sit could have been a good place for a turrent, or a missle rack, or something?

So much potential. Such a let down.

Uh what?

There's a second image where the back clearly is a turret with 2 large plasma weapons (look like cannons but who knows)

This is presumably just the shroud casting statues option as referenced in the Ravenwing book,

I also like the front gunner, at least it explains how he can fire at ground targets now, unlike normal Land Speeder gunners.


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 warboss wrote:
The standard command termies look good but the robed versions seem a bit much (like the pulpit land speeder).

Strongly Disagree, those robes(well, tabards) will probably be getting a workout in amongst all my termi squads instead of just on the knights.


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Bluetau wrote:
Well I know my local shop still has 3 of the old land speeders and Ravenwing battleforces in stock, time to go get those before the new speeders replace them.

Everything else besides the speeders looks great though.

This isn't a new standard Land Speeder, it's a special one, normal Land Speeders will almost certainly remain.

Also, the new Ravenwing Battleforce is the old battleforce for the exact same price...

So I'm not sure why you are in such a hurry to buy up things that will be exactly the same in a months time?

 Grimtuff wrote:
Soooo..... do we have an entrant at the 11th hour for 2012's worst model with the Land Speeder Vengeance or is this the first entrant for worst model of 2013?

It looks like the successor to Homer Simpson's bubble car.

I for one really like the flyers!

I'll pass on Belial (he looks the reverse of bad-ass) - I'd rather kit bash him out of spares from the Terminator set. Asmodai is okay and the Terminators/Ravenwing Bikes are great.
I'm still not sold on the flyers though, nor the landspeeder. I don't like the general almsot roid-fed approach to GW's recent designs but hopefully the dual kits will have lots of bits - or else that £35 price tag on the Terminators is a bit much