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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
To make it look more like a pulpit, complementing the whole monastic/church robes, censors, altars vibe?

Thanks Zwei. Your input is always... well... it's always there, I guess.

There's no reasonable input which can justify that monstrosity to be honest.

For what it is worth, I think Zwei's on the right track. For whatever reason they wanted a Floating Dark Church of Darkness.

I went and looked at the Termy pictures again at a few other sites - because the Internet cannot be stopped GW, please take note of this - and I gotto say that they look amazing. These sprues are going to be filled with all manner of bits, and it looks like with some tweaking you could make some interesting Inquisitorial things, even some really cool-looking Deathwatch guys. I just hope we get some pics of the sprues soon. This is like the GKT kit on overdrive.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
Looking at this stuff makes me hope they don't update Black Templars soon. Like the dark talon though.

Nothing says "successful update" like someone actually wishing their army gets left alone.

Ouch.

The new Chaplain looks freekin' tight...
I do have to say, as a bone-aye-fyde orkee, it's nice to see someone else have ramshackle vehicle... (sarcasm is extremely thick here) ... Funny belongs to the orkz!!! Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn!

I don't think I will ever tire of the lsv DJ gag........it's a classic in the making

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's no reasonable input which can justify that monstrosity to be honest.

For what it is worth, I think Zwei's on the right track. For whatever reason they wanted a Floating Dark Church of Darkness.

Yeah, Zwie kinda missed the entire point of what I was saying (quite common really). Obviously they're ramping up the Gothic church angle. I know that. You know that. We all know that. What I was asking is why you'd go and fill the passenger seat with that crap and move the passenger way forward, so far forward in fact that he could actually be an obstruction to the operation of the vehicle ("Hey Brother Asmodan... can you see what's to the right of us... your gunwell is kinda in the way again. Sorry to keep asking Brother, but... the Omnissiah was clearly drunk when he designed this vehicle!") The Land Speeder Escalade is just a terrible design, and I dunno what the feth they were thinking when they approved it. But, unlike the Baby-Carrier and Space-Guppy and like the Chibi-Hawk, I reckon kitbashing it would save it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The thing I can't work out is why the gunner was moved forward to this odd unbalanced forward gunwell. I mean... they filled his seat with... God knows what... and stuck him as far forward as possible (and cut off his legs).

If the pilot wants to look forward and right... the gunner is in his way. Imagine driving a car but there's a guy sitting on the hood above your right headlight. It'd be fething annoying!

Sometimes asymmetric looks cool. Maybe they were trying to channel WWI bomber aesthetics with the forward gunner? Maybe they want to keep Dark Angles sales down so they will be more exclusive.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
Maybe they want to keep Dark Angles sales down so they will be more exclusive.

Yeah. Don't want to upset those shareholders by being too successful!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's no reasonable input which can justify that monstrosity to be honest.

For what it is worth, I think Zwei's on the right track. For whatever reason they wanted a Floating Dark Church of Darkness.

Yeah, Zwie kinda missed the entire point of what I was saying (quite common really). Obviously they're ramping up the Gothic church angle. I know that. You know that. We all know that. What I was asking is why you'd go and fill the passenger seat with that crap and move the passenger way forward, so far forward in fact that he could actually be an obstruction to the operation of the vehicle ("Hey Brother Asmodan... can you see what's to the right of us... your gunwell is kinda in the way again. Sorry to keep asking Brother, but... the Omnissiah was clearly drunk when he designed this vehicle!") The Land Speeder Escalade is just a terrible design, and I dunno what the feth they were thinking when they approved it. But, unlike the Baby-Carrier and Space-Guppy and like the Chibi-Hawk, I reckon kitbashing it would save it.

They were thinking:
"People like Escalades right?"
"Well yeah!"
"Let's make a LAND SPEEDER ESCALADE!"

"Brilliant!" and thus the Dark Church Speeder was born...

So here's a quick thought. If Ward didn't make the DA codex... then what is he working on?

Please not Tau. Please not Tau.

He's working on the Tau.

Enjoy!

Terminators holding power church mauls? AP4 on all of them? GW is trolling DW players .
Landspeeder oohhh the ugliness! I guess there is somekind of bet between GW employees, regarding how much a f$#k ugly model will sell if it has awesome rules.
Both flyers are indifferent and belial can be used for some terrain statue.
Great disappointment for D.A players especially after Dark Vengeance termies that looked great.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
So here's a quick thought. If Ward didn't make the DA codex... then what is he working on?

Eldar.

This means he'll have to somehow work out a way for an Avatar to kill another Avatar in combat.

Belial's toes look slightly turned in, like he's busting for a pee or something.

 Capamaru wrote:
Terminators holding power church mauls? AP4 on all of them? GW is trolling DW players

Yeah I thought that too. It's great and all that they've all stolen the mace that Ecclesiarchy special character has, but who's going to buy a bunch'a AP4 Terminators?

 Daedricbob wrote:
Belial's toes look slightly turned in, like he's busting for a pee or something.

My thoughts exactly. And the way he's waving his arms around makes him look like he has no idea what to do with them either. Honestly, the design itself is okay, but his pose is just completely stupid. Ruins the entire model.

Looking forward to.

The bst use of the Speeder I can think of is as a badass 6mm or 15mm dropship, just gotta cover those crew compartments and get rid of the forward gunner...thing.

I need that 2h axe the terminator has, it even includes a badass pose.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's no reasonable input which can justify that monstrosity to be honest.

For what it is worth, I think Zwei's on the right track. For whatever reason they wanted a Floating Dark Church of Darkness.

Yeah, Zwie kinda missed the entire point of what I was saying (quite common really). Obviously they're ramping up the Gothic church angle. I know that. You know that. We all know that. What I was asking is why you'd go and fill the passenger seat with that crap and move the passenger way forward, so far forward in fact that he could actually be an obstruction to the operation of the vehicle

Why would you place a gunner so far backwards that he couldn't actually do anything but shoot the sky?

Why would you even mount a heat-based and/or flamer-weapon on a fast-moving skimmer?

Why would you put genetically engineered super-soldiers into anatomically dysfunctional armour suits that likely wouldn't even allow them to stand up if they tripped?

I think you might just have been collecting the wrong game-line the last few decades.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The thing I can't work out is why the gunner was moved forward to this odd unbalanced forward gunwell. I mean... they filled his seat with... God knows what... and stuck him as far forward as possible (and cut off his legs).

If the pilot wants to look forward and right... the gunner is in his way. Imagine driving a car but there's a guy sitting on the hood above your right headlight. It'd be fething annoying!

Sometimes asymmetric looks cool. Maybe they were trying to channel WWI bomber aesthetics with the forward gunner? Maybe they want to keep Dark Angles sales down so they will be more exclusive.

This is what they were trying to channel

Looking at the landspeeder I am somehow reminded of the GK Babybjörn/Dreadknight.
Someone in GW's design studio clearly is a major TROLL and has the wits to sell his jokes to the bosses.

Such subversive skills need to be admired!

The Deathwing Terminators look gorgeous. No questions asked.

The fliers look kinda cool. I like the direction they're taking.

Belial is cool.

The Landspeeder isn't that bad, but it could be better. It's going to be great for conversions though.

there's a summary with some supposed rules over on Faeit 212

highlights for me include Deathwing getting Split Fire and the LSV rear turret firing as either 3 small plasma blasts or one large plasma blast

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Capamaru wrote:
Terminators holding power church mauls? AP4 on all of them? GW is trolling DW players

Yeah I thought that too. It's great and all that they've all stolen the mace that Ecclesiarchy special character has, but who's going to buy a bunch'a AP4 Terminators?

I don't know who would buy S6 AP4 I4 Concusive Terminators?
Me for one!

Actualy they probably get a Power Weapon and the Mace and Flail just look the coolest for the photo op. I know my Chaos Marines and Space Wolves are going to seal a bunch of them. I know that my ThunderLord will be traiding in his Thunder Hamme for that Triple Flail.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Daedricbob wrote:
Belial's toes look slightly turned in, like he's busting for a pee or something.

My thoughts exactly. And the way he's waving his arms around makes him look like he has no idea what to do with them either. Honestly, the design itself is okay, but his pose is just completely stupid. Ruins the entire model.

It's the traditional "DId anyone lose these weapons?!?" pose beloved of every unit leader mini in FB in the 90s.

On the plus side you will probably have an ass load of extra terminator arms left over from the DW box with which to convert him.

Only saw them briefly so had tto judeg but initial impression:

Plus side

Very little I want to buy - if anything.

Negative side

same - The Landspeeder is horrible and the talon with wings is only a little better than the one without......

ah well saves me money I guess............when you include the over priced £30 Codex(unless it goes up yet again) I am not willing to buy.........

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The bst use of the Speeder I can think of is as a badass 6mm or 15mm dropship, just gotta cover those crew compartments and get rid of the forward gunner...thing.

Best use would be for an emperors children's land speeder. Has dj in the back already, convert the plasma guns to boob boxes, cut off all the swords and rework the talons. Convert the guy in the forward gunnery spot to one of the old guitar wielding guys and have him standing on the hood. Nothing says crazy drugged up music fans like someone rocking out on the top of a land speeder.

Why does an anti grav vehcile like the land speeder (and variants) suddenly have to have 4 turbines attached to it?

Not that this is the worst thing about the vengeance, but still.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
There's no reasonable input which can justify that monstrosity to be honest.

For what it is worth, I think Zwei's on the right track. For whatever reason they wanted a Floating Dark Church of Darkness.

Yeah, Zwie kinda missed the entire point of what I was saying (quite common really). Obviously they're ramping up the Gothic church angle. I know that. You know that. We all know that. What I was asking is why you'd go and fill the passenger seat with that crap and move the passenger way forward, so far forward in fact that he could actually be an obstruction to the operation of the vehicle

Why would you place a gunner so far backwards that he couldn't actually do anything but shoot the sky?

Why would you even mount a heat-based and/or flamer-weapon on a fast-moving skimmer?

Why would you put genetically engineered super-soldiers into anatomically dysfunctional armour suits that likely wouldn't even allow them to stand up if they tripped?

I think you might just have been collecting the wrong game-line the last few decades.

So, because GW made a (presently obsolete) model that looked a little cool despite being completely impractical, we should all be okay with GW making a new model that looks terrible and is completely impractical?

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Hey guys, I figured out why I hate the new GW aesthetic: Everyone's a freaking teenager that never grew up.

You remember how back when you were a teen you were very into something, and it was very, very important to make sure everyone knew you were very into something, so you only bought clothes that advertised it and put it all over your room? It was a normal thing to do when you're a kid, because you haven't fully formed an adult identity and you needed some shortcut to letting the world around you know who you were. But at some point in college you looked around your dorm room plastered with posters for bands you like or toys from the sci-fi show you like and realized how tacky it all looked? And you know how there are some people who never get out of that phase? Like the guy who only wears video game t-shirts he buys off the internet, or the lady who has to have every Hello Kitty accessory ever made, or the dude whose every worldly possession is color-coordinated to his favorite sports team? Well, those people won the fast food wars and now dominate the 40K universe. The Dark Angels aren't a super-secret chapter with a dark history, they're a bunch of kids whose manufactorium was outsourced to Hot Topic and now everything has to come with stupid angels not just as iconography, but built into the freaking equipment. Because how else would you know they're dark?

 plastictrees wrote:
Oh snap, and there's Super Deathwing now.

The LANDSPEEDER VENGEANCE looks slightly better with the twin plasmacannons. I guess the other version launches weaponised religion at the enemy.

Astartes ARE weaponized religion.