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2012/12/21 06:57:08
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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I'm just curious, why does the Imperial Guard name their main battle tank after that particular primarch?
The guard codex references them existing during the time of the heresy (and, presumably, under the same name), which seems kind of strange to me. I mean, did the guy actually invent that vehicle?
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2012/12/21 06:58:41
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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I think he may have had a hand in it..if so he was an idiot.
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings!
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2012/12/21 07:13:48
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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2012/12/21 07:55:54
Subject: Re:Why Leman Russ?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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The tank is perfect for the Space Wolves: Big, clunky, poorly designed, vaguely explained yet it manages to wreck face.
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Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
 The Empire : ~60-70 models.
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2012/12/21 07:59:24
Subject: Re:Why Leman Russ?
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Never figured why.
honestly want to rename the tank to something else. but can't think of a good name.
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2012/12/21 08:02:16
Subject: Re:Why Leman Russ?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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The Regal Dorn Battle Tank? The Ferrus Manus Battle Tank?
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Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
The Empire : ~60-70 models.
1500 pts
: My Salamanders painting blog 16 Infantry and 2 Vehicles done so far! |
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2012/12/21 08:02:25
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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So what's wrong with the arguably the most successful tank in the galaxy? Backbone of the IG? I'm really interested to hear your opinion...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/12/21 08:05:02
Subject: Re:Why Leman Russ?
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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2012/12/21 08:06:31
Subject: Re:Why Leman Russ?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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with the the Giuliminator cannon...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/12/21 08:07:31
Subject: Re:Why Leman Russ?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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I could just imagine the "Girlyman Tank" puns.
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Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
The Empire : ~60-70 models.
1500 pts
: My Salamanders painting blog 16 Infantry and 2 Vehicles done so far! |
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2012/12/21 08:08:07
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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'Roboutte mounted sponsons'
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2012/12/21 08:09:00
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Maybe he discovered the STC for it?
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2012/12/21 08:20:32
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Guelph Ontario
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Because the Gullyman doesn't sound very threatening now does it?
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2012/12/21 08:25:16
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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 DarthMarko wrote:
So what's wrong with the arguably the most successful tank in the galaxy? Backbone of the IG? I'm really interested to hear your opinion...
You are joking right?
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings!
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2012/12/21 08:26:37
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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 Hunterindarkness wrote: DarthMarko wrote:
So what's wrong with the arguably the most successful tank in the galaxy? Backbone of the IG? I'm really interested to hear your opinion...
You are joking right?
Nope. He's serious...and I agree with him. The Leman Russ has led the Imperial Guard to victory over the millennia; say what you want about the tank, but the results speak for themselves.
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2012/12/21 08:28:38
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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The russ is a bad, bad, bad design. Its to high, bad treads, poor field of fire, its a freak WWI style take with all the flaws, its a fraking MkI for gods sake. Its a rolling death trap, there are reasons no ones made takes like that since WWI and the Russ shows them all.
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings!
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2012/12/21 08:29:51
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Hunterindarkness wrote: The russ is a bad, bad, bad design. Its to high, bad trades, poor field of fire, its a freak WWI style take with all the flaws, its a fraking MkI for gods sake. Its a rolling death trap, there are reasons no ones made takes like that since WWI and the Russ shows them all.
This is 40k...who cares if the tank is gak IRL. The tank has the led the Guard to victory for millennia, that alone is proof enough of its worth.
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2012/12/21 08:30:19
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Guelph Ontario
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And I suppose that the Imperium's other boxes with treads attached to them are superior designs? They're bullet magnets to a T. And they still manage to blast the crap out of those high tech junkers that the Tau and Eldar field.
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2012/12/21 08:31:58
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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No they suck as well, the game states do not reflect the design at all, the design is crap.
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings!
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2012/12/21 08:33:00
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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"In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same" |
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2012/12/21 08:33:09
Subject: Re:Why Leman Russ?
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Dangerous Skeleton Champion
California
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TheCustomLime wrote:The tank is perfect for the Space Wolves: Big, clunky, poorly designed, vaguely explained yet it manages to wreck face.
Because of this.
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2012/12/21 08:33:55
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Let it go...real life considerations aside, you're not gonna win with badmouthing the Leman Russ and its variants. Not in 40k terms, anyway.
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2012/12/21 08:33:59
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
Guelph Ontario
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Its easier to field fifty billion boxes with guns than putting effort into making a superior MBT. And the Russ can still contend with skimmers.
That either says something about their reliability or about the quality of Xenos tech.
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2012/12/21 08:34:38
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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The Leman Russ is a WWI-tank sure. The Renault FT-117. It's actually the model of the first modern tank and the best tank of WWI, and look at the Spitfires I mean Lightnings, they going Mach 3? Yeah right. if you are gonna argue about how wrong things are in WH40k. you are in the wrong place.
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If you have nothing nice to say then say frakking nothing. |
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2012/12/21 08:38:13
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Eh I was asked and I told you. The Russ is junk, most IOm tanks blow. The game stats simply do not reflect how sucktasitc they are, which amuses me as much as "what ya see is what yous get" seems to be invoked at the tables as what I see is an antiquated POS. 
Its a bad design any way ya look at it.
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings!
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2012/12/21 08:39:58
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Hunterindarkness wrote:Eh I was asked and I told you. The Russ is junk, most IOm tanks blow. The game stats simply do not reflect how sucktasitc they are, which amuses me as much as "what ya see is what yous get" seems to be invoked at the tables as what I see is an antiquated POS.
Its a bad design any way ya look at it.
It is actually. The Baneblade is probably the most realistic amongst them... buuut this is 40k, let's not forget that.
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2012/12/21 08:43:13
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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I am not forgetting that, but it blows even for 40k. Some folks like the WWI look, I find it past silly the best tank in the galaxy is something we cracked out in 1906 with a laser mounted on it and armor officially weaker then any take we have used since. (FW really needs to stop saying numbers when they have no clue what they mean) I mean the armors so weak we have rifles that can shoot though it....
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings!
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2012/12/21 08:46:24
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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I resent that. Mass Effect aside, I kinda like my warships like big, flying Vaticans bristling with guns and torpedo tubes.
Some folks like the WWI look, I find it past silly the best tank in the galaxy is something we cracked out in 1906 with a laser mounted on it and armor officially weaker then any take we have used since. (FW really needs to stop saying numbers when they have no clue what they mean) I mean the armors so weak we have rifles that can shoot though it....
They probably have advanced metallurgy to cover for it...and that engine is supposed to run on anything that burns though promethium is the most efficient fuel.
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2012/12/21 08:47:48
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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No they give the armor in millimeters of Steel
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Engine of War wrote:Duct Tape! the Ommnisiahs blessed bindings!
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2012/12/21 08:50:01
Subject: Why Leman Russ?
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Battleship Captain
Calixis Sector
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Forge World or whoever gave those numbers ought to learn something...anyway, those numbers aside, the Leman Russ probably just hand-waves it all away with some sort of advanced technology despite its clunky appearance. I mean, in fluff that thing is so maneuverable it can practically tap-dance.
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