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That was a pretty bad Forgeworld goof, honestly.

Plasteel I might buy.

Yeah I so agree about forgeworld and GW themselves...I mean freaking really.. millimeters of steel...sigh. As I said before fluff and design we see are not the same beast, not at all. I am talking about what we see..not what fluff says we have as honestly they simply can not be the same thing. Someone really has no clue about tanks, and I do not know much but even I know that much.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Yeah I so agree about forgeworld and GW themselves...I mean freaking really.. millimeters of steel...sigh. As I said before fluff and design we see are not the same beast, not at all.

That's why its to just better ignore the latter and take the former at face value.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Yeah I so agree about forgeworld and GW themselves...I mean freaking really.. millimeters of steel...sigh. As I said before fluff and design we see are not the same beast, not at all.

That's why its to just better ignore the latter and take the former at face value.

I do take it at face value as I have to deal with what I see...which is a bad tank design after WWI

 Hunterindarkness wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Yeah I so agree about forgeworld and GW themselves...I mean freaking really.. millimeters of steel...sigh. As I said before fluff and design we see are not the same beast, not at all.

That's why its to just better ignore the latter and take the former at face value.

I do take it at face value as I have to deal with what I see...which is a bad tank design after WWI

Just take the effort to ignore the wrong data...trust me. I do that every time I flip through my BFG files, I mean, come on! 41st Millennium and we use manual labor to move macrocannon rounds and torpedoes into place?

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Yeah I so agree about forgeworld and GW themselves...I mean freaking really.. millimeters of steel...sigh. As I said before fluff and design we see are not the same beast, not at all.

That's why its to just better ignore the latter and take the former at face value.

I do take it at face value as I have to deal with what I see...which is a bad tank design after WWI

Just take the effort to ignore the wrong data...trust me. I do that every time I flip through my BFG files, I mean, come on! 4ast Millennium and we use manual labor to move macrocannon rounds and torpedoes into place?

Because grim dark. Never mind that it would slow down the rate of fire.

What sort of building materials are common in the Imperium anyways, that could be used for Tank hulls? Ceramite is out, too rare.

But apart from Rockrete (Space Concrete basically) just what does the Imperium use?

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Yeah I so agree about forgeworld and GW themselves...I mean freaking really.. millimeters of steel...sigh. As I said before fluff and design we see are not the same beast, not at all. I am talking about what we see..not what fluff says we have as honestly they simply can not be the same thing. Someone really has no clue about tanks, and I do not know much but even I know that much.

You are taking it too seriously, man..You are comparing plastic fantasy toy (which is 2/3s barrel - EPIC fail, ofc) with the WW2 real tanks...I'mean, I'm just sticking to the fluff and my imagination...

TheCustomLime wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Yeah I so agree about forgeworld and GW themselves...I mean freaking really.. millimeters of steel...sigh. As I said before fluff and design we see are not the same beast, not at all.

That's why its to just better ignore the latter and take the former at face value.

I do take it at face value as I have to deal with what I see...which is a bad tank design after WWI

Just take the effort to ignore the wrong data...trust me. I do that every time I flip through my BFG files, I mean, come on! 4ast Millennium and we use manual labor to move macrocannon rounds and torpedoes into place?

Because grim dark. Never mind that it would slow down the rate of fire.

And why is it I've heard Adeptus Mechanicus ships have auto-loaders?

 Arcsquad12 wrote:
What sort of building materials are common in the Imperium anyways, that could be used for Tank hulls? Ceramite is out, too rare.

But apart from Rockrete (Space Concrete basically) just what does the Imperium use?

High-strength steel alloy? High-tensile-strength steel alloy? Titanium alloy with ceramic composite?

Not sure Arcsquad, but you do not make tank armor out of steel. The IoM has lots of options that are within their capability to make.

Ya know but..grim dark and all that.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Not sure Arcsquad, but you do not make tank armor out of steel. The IoM has lots of options that are within their capability to make.

Ya know but..grim dark and all that.

Sure, any pansy can get into a tank with meter thick, sloped armor and decent movement space... but it takes a REAL man to get into a high sided, boxy, cramped and hot death trap and kick the ass of alien races that are supposedly better than you.

And I think the fact that millimeter thick armor is just as effective as the supposed "Necron living metal" at resisting damage is hilarious.

TheCustomLime wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Not sure Arcsquad, but you do not make tank armor out of steel. The IoM has lots of options that are within their capability to make.

Ya know but..grim dark and all that.

Sure, any pansy can get into a tank with meter thick, sloped armor and decent movement space... but it takes a REAL man to get into a high sided, boxy, cramped and hot death trap and kick the ass of alien races that are supposedly better than you.

Well, can't argue with that. After all Guardsmen are supposed to have balls of steel

So, let's start with the technobabble...Btw, where are they keeping that "fat" ammo?

 DarthMarko wrote:
So, let's start with the technobabble...Btw, where are they keeping that "fat" ammo?

What 'fat' ammo?

TheCustomLime wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Not sure Arcsquad, but you do not make tank armor out of steel. The IoM has lots of options that are within their capability to make.

Ya know but..grim dark and all that.

Sure, any pansy can get into a tank with meter thick, sloped armor and decent movement space... but it takes a REAL man to get into a high sided, boxy, cramped and hot death trap and kick the ass of alien races that are supposedly better than you.

And I think the fact that millimeter thick armor is just as effective as the supposed "Necron living metal" at resisting damage is hilarious.

To me it shows once more GW has little control over its own line. The fluff contradicts itself many times and the design simply does not match the fluff at all. The FW stuff however matches the design, meaning its crap. You can indeed have effective looking tanks without going with a super modern look.


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 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:
So, let's start with the technobabble...Btw, where are they keeping that "fat" ammo?

What 'fat' ammo?

The ammo really will not fit into the tank.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:

TheCustomLime wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
Not sure Arcsquad, but you do not make tank armor out of steel. The IoM has lots of options that are within their capability to make.

Ya know but..grim dark and all that.

Sure, any pansy can get into a tank with meter thick, sloped armor and decent movement space... but it takes a REAL man to get into a high sided, boxy, cramped and hot death trap and kick the ass of alien races that are supposedly better than you.

And I think the fact that millimeter thick armor is just as effective as the supposed "Necron living metal" at resisting damage is hilarious.

To me it shows once more GW has little control over its own line. The fluff contradicts itself many times and the design simply does not match the fluff at all. The FW stuff however matches the design, meaning its crap. You can indeed have effective looking tanks without going with a super modern look.

Unfortunately, the Guard's supposed to have a WWII/WWI/Vietnam-era feel, so there's nothing we can do other than bitch about it (pardon my plain language).

EDIT: Just imagine or hand wave the tank as bigger and more effective/efficient than it looks.

I am fine with the 70/80 feel as it would match the Guards, the WWI style does not. Take a look at something like the Swedish Strv 103. That thing screams sniper tanks in the look.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
I am fine with the 70/80 feel as it would match the Guards, the WWI style does not. Take a look at something like the Swedish Strv 103. That thing screams sniper tanks in the look.

In a way it resembles the Destroyer Tank Hunter.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:
So, let's start with the technobabble...Btw, where are they keeping that "fat" ammo?

What 'fat' ammo?

Based on the proportion of the pipe, how much "cannon balls " ,he can carry ?

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
I am fine with the 70/80 feel as it would match the Guards, the WWI style does not. Take a look at something like the Swedish Strv 103. That thing screams sniper tanks in the look.

In a way it resembles the Destroyer Tank Hunter.

That is what i thought, except ya know effectively designed. Well no the 103 had issues that could be solved with 40k tech but not really with the tech of the day( mostly to do with the barrel stabilization). It is low and blockly and looks like something that not only can hide and snipe, but rugged that can be churned out by most IoM worlds.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
I am fine with the 70/80 feel as it would match the Guards, the WWI style does not. Take a look at something like the Swedish Strv 103. That thing screams sniper tanks in the look.

In a way it resembles the Destroyer Tank Hunter.

That is what i thought, except ya know effectively designed. Well no the 103 had issues that could be solved with 40k tech but not really with the tech of the day( mostly to do with the barrel stabilization). It is low and blockly and looks like something that not only can hide and snipe, but rugged that can be churned out by most IoM worlds.

Which is in fact the whole concept behind the Destroyer. To strike fast and hard at enemy armor, then withdraw to another firing position, strike fast and hard again, and so on...Strangely enough, the Destroyer is a rare vehicle.

See I could get that if they were not all variants of the same few tanks. As long as they are just modified X it really makes little sense. If it had its own hull, I could see it being less common. Maybe it takes level x technology to make the enhanced stabilizers or some such and most worlds simply can't do it.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
See I could get that if they were not all variants of the same few tanks. As long as they are just modified X it really makes little sense. If it had its own hull, I could see it being less common. Maybe it takes level x technology to make the enhanced stabilizers or some such and most worlds simply can't do it.

And yet, during the Great Crusade the Imperial Army had Vanquishers, Conquerors, Baneblades, and Destroyers dime a dozen. Something's not right...

Well most of that can be explained. The IoM during the crusade as you yourself have said were tech using and if not innovating rediscoving. The current IoM, mainly do to the admech has a much lower level of tech. They have went from trying to understand the tech to rout learning. They simply do not for the most part understand it. If a factory wares out they have a less chance of fixing it.

Really it could be a case of only worlds A.C and D in this sector can make this here part. which means even if it makes thousands, some will be flagged for spars and only a few make it across who knows how much space to factories that know how to install and integrate it.

most destroyer tank hunters are rare because the imperium lacks the ability to produce new laser cannons. Similar effects can be gained by jamming a vanquisher cannon into a Russ chassis to make a viable self propelled gun.

Adeptus Mechanicus lazy heads...can't they do or remember anything without the Emperor telling them to?

You mean the Omnissiah, right?

Anyway, to answer the OP's question:

Way back in Rogue Trader, Leman Russ was an Imperial Guard general who had the tank named after him.
When 2nd Editiomn turned him into a Primarch, the background was retconned to Russ discovering the STC in the early days of the Great Crusade, and the Imperial Army naming it the Leman Russ tank in his honour.

Bran Dawri wrote:
You mean the Omnissiah, right?

Anyway, to answer the OP's question:

Way back in Rogue Trader, Leman Russ was an Imperial Guard general who had the tank named after him.
When 2nd Editiomn turned him into a Primarch, the background was retconned to Russ discovering the STC in the early days of the Great Crusade, and the Imperial Army naming it the Leman Russ tank in his honour.

This.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
I think he may have had a hand in it..if so he was an idiot.

So what's wrong with the arguably the most successful tank in the galaxy? Backbone of the IG? I'm really interested to hear your opinion...

You are joking right?

Nope. He's serious...and I agree with him. The Leman Russ has led the Imperial Guard to victory over the millennia; say what you want about the tank, but the results speak for themselves.

I agree as well, when we compare all tanks in the galaxy nothing beats the Leman Russ. He is to the 40k like Sherman and T-34 were to WW2 - cheap, reliable, easy to maintain and easy to operate. And it's design even if he looks like he came out of WWI is actually quite reasonable for 40k, because Leman is made for defense and infantry support. Tanks like Abrams would handle a little better against Tau and Eldar tanks, but it would be useless against hordes like Tyranids and Orks because of it's design that was made for speed.

The fact that even Leman Russ can beat every race armor in battle and that can have 1.000.001 modification proves his worthiness.


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 Hunterindarkness wrote:
I find it past silly the best tank in the galaxy is something we cracked out in 1906 with a laser mounted on it and armor officially weaker then any take we have used since.

You know what is more bigger irony? The fact that this tank can go head to head with Tau Hammerhead and blow it to bits ( the Vanquisher version ).


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 Arcsquad12 wrote:
What sort of building materials are common in the Imperium anyways, that could be used for Tank hulls? Ceramite is out, too rare.

But apart from Rockrete (Space Concrete basically) just what does the Imperium use?

This is a funny thing actually, officially most of Leman Russ tanks are made from steel and reinforced cast plasteel ( Plasteel is a type of advanced material used by the Imperium in the construction of many forms of armour. Heavy gauge plasteel is used in conjunction with ceramite to form the armour plating of Terminator Armour. ), but it is also mentioned that certain FW that are making Leman Russes sometimes are lacking on resources and are making it from any other resource they could find. So if some FW have a lot of Admantium and they are short on plasteel and steel they are making their Leman Russ tanks from Admantium.


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 Hunterindarkness wrote:
I am fine with the 70/80 feel as it would match the Guards, the WWI style does not.

What about Death Korps of Krieg? They are essentially WWI Western Front in space and everybody loves them.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

What about Death Korps of Krieg? They are essentially WWI Western Front in space and everybody loves them.

Nothing beats chucking thousands of tons of high explosive round the clock to grind the enemy to paste