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 cincydooley wrote:
Yeah...USPS isn't the most reliable, quite honestly. I had a package sit at the post office with a "PROCESSING" status on the tracking because of insufficient postage by 38 cents. They never called me or returned the package; it simply sat there until I called.

While I don't doubt your experience, IME USPS is the most reliable postage service in this country. I hear about the same number of complaints about other carriers, but USPS carries far more parcels than any other carrier. UPS carries about an average of 15 million packages a day, compared to USPS 23 million per hour. That's about 38 times the volume.

That might be the case but if they continually leave highly expensive packages on my doorstep when it clearly says sign only I question their competence.

On topic I hope you find the package.

I've had the occasional incompetent postal employee, but speaking to my local postmaster usually sorts that out. I've had a much better success rate with that than with calling UPS' or FedEx's call centers.

 Mannahnin wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Yeah...USPS isn't the most reliable, quite honestly. I had a package sit at the post office with a "PROCESSING" status on the tracking because of insufficient postage by 38 cents. They never called me or returned the package; it simply sat there until I called.

While I don't doubt your experience, IME USPS is the most reliable postage service in this country. I hear about the same number of complaints about other carriers, but USPS carries far more parcels than any other carrier. UPS carries about an average of 15 million packages a day, compared to USPS 23 million per hour. That's about 38 times the volume.

I work shipping and receiving USPS is reliable IF, You go inside and pay for postage. Otherwise don't waste your time Fedex and Ups are better.

Oh and good luck.

I wanna see how this ends because I need to figure out which one's the A-hole

 nolzur wrote:
Side note - what happens to mail that spends a long time in the undeliverable bin? Do the workers get to keep it?

It goes to the same place as socks in the dryer. Daemon food in the warp.

 Mannahnin wrote:
I've had the occasional incompetent postal employee, but speaking to my local postmaster usually sorts that out. I've had a much better success rate with that than with calling UPS' or FedEx's call centers.

I've had multiple bouts of incompetence: I had one guy throw my box with a fully built Keeper of Secrets 8 feet onto my doorstep-I watched him do it. With "Fragile" labeled on the box. I called in and complained: he was promptly fired. I don't even feel slightly guilty for it-turns out he was a temp anyway, but he became REAL temporary. Then I've had USPS label my stuff out for delivery, not deliver it, when I was leaving for work for a week the next day, expecting my package, asked to pick it up and was told "deal with it, get it tomorrow." I've had a student loan check lost and a large paycheck lost as well, when I was broke and was dependent on the paycheck. These are just the ones that come to the top of my head. I've had more. The USPS has shown itself to be crappy to me more than once.

I'd also like to see the outcome of this...let me know when to make the popcorn and see the final showdown!

Well, it's the OP's turn now.

Hmm, it's been a while and I'm curious as to how the story ended...

Probably the OP is too ashamed to post in this thread.

And yes, he does post in other threads.

Don't jump to conclusions Alkasyn, assuming the worst will just lead to the thread getting heated with no response from him because it is a hostile environment and then locked without us ever finding out.

Agree with motyak. If everything worked out somehow, a simple "It's ok, got it" would be sufficient and everyone was happy

Agreed- it could also be that nothing new developed, and thus there was nothing to say... would be great to get an update, though!

And this is why I don't accept paypal or deal with overseas people. Best thing you can do is require a postal money order or several if its over 200 bucks. Paypal and Ebay are design to protect scammer buyers.

This should be clear by now: either the OP went to the post office to check or he did not, and if he did it either was or wasn't there.

It is at least strange that we are not seeing any update, considering serious accusations were made.

tgf wrote:
And this is why I don't accept paypal or deal with overseas people. Best thing you can do is require a postal money order or several if its over 200 bucks. Paypal and Ebay are design to protect scammer buyers.

So far as I can tell no one involved in this was a scammer. It appears to be mostly a misunderstanding, and incompetence on both sides (and by the postal service in the middle). Maybe if people stopped being so paranoid about 'ZOMG! Everyone trying to scam me' and took some simple precautions like writing addresses clearly, packing things properly, and communicating rather than jumping to conclusions. Problems like this could be avoided.

I use paypal a lot, and have sold to people overseas without issue. It's convenient and offers some level of protection to both parties. For larger amounts of money there are always Escrow services. Most people are trustworthy, and business should be easy and pleasant. It's when people start acting like it's some sort of hostage negotiation, and start making wild accusations that things get out of hand.

tgf wrote:
And this is why I don't accept paypal or deal with overseas people. Best thing you can do is require a postal money order or several if its over 200 bucks. Paypal and Ebay are design to protect scammer buyers.

In the UK you HAVE to accept PayPal payments on eBay - desipte this being a direct violation of competition laws. Unfortunately the competition commission can't be bothered to do anything about it.

 Smacks wrote:

tgf wrote:
And this is why I don't accept paypal or deal with overseas people. Best thing you can do is require a postal money order or several if its over 200 bucks. Paypal and Ebay are design to protect scammer buyers.

So far as I can tell no one involved in this was a scammer. It appears to be mostly a misunderstanding, and incompetence on both sides (and by the postal service in the middle). Maybe if people stopped being so paranoid about 'ZOMG! Everyone trying to scam me' and took some simple precautions like writing addresses clearly, packing things properly, and communicating rather than jumping to conclusions. Problems like this could be avoided.

I use paypal a lot, and have sold to people overseas without issue. It's convenient and offers some level of protection to both parties. For larger amounts of money there are always Escrow services. Most people are trustworthy, and business should be easy and pleasant. It's when people start acting like it's some sort of hostage negotiation, and start making wild accusations that things get out of hand.

This about sums it up.

Napoleon wrote:"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence"

When packing and labeling minis for over seas shipping assume that the package will be hurled across the room by nearsighted gorillas.

Odds are that it will.

The Auld Grump

 Smacks wrote:
Maybe if people stopped being so paranoid about 'ZOMG! Everyone trying to scam me' and took some simple precautions like writing addresses clearly, packing things properly, and communicating rather than jumping to conclusions. Problems like this could be avoided.

ZOMG!

I love being loose for a turn hbu?

I wonder if the OP hasn't replied back yet because he is ashamed to say sorry .

Hello, its me again, joepepper.

thehod did not contact me, yet. i do not know, if he found the parcel at the usps station. All i want is that everybody knows, that i am not a thief!
I hope he will find his items at the usps station and that this nightmare comes to an end.

greets,
joe

Perhaps mods can put some pressure on him to give closure to this issue? He slung a lot of mud and should be held accountable for it. If he got the items, he needs to fess up that it was all a simple error. Him not posting here is just shedding negative light on him, far more than if he admitted some mistake.

Or perhaps uninvolved parties could stop bumping the thread and stirring the pot?

 Janthkin wrote:
Or perhaps uninvolved parties could stop bumping the thread and stirring the pot?

I don't think we're complely uninvolved. I, as a wargamer, feel offended by people stirring up anger against other users because of their own lazyness / misinformation and then suddenly disappear.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:
Or perhaps uninvolved parties could stop bumping the thread and stirring the pot?

I don't think we're complely uninvolved. I, as a wargamer, feel offended by people stirring up anger against other users because of their own lazyness / misinformation and then suddenly disappear.

I agree, especially when the buyer is proactively trying to get this cleared up.
The community should be helping to bring a good and healthy environment for trading and gaming, you as a mod discouraging people to help the buyer clarify his name is kinda of a weird thing.

I disagree. The buyer Forced a refund via Paypal, then his return shipment didn't get to the seller. A beautiful army like that getting shipped twice internationally due to buyer's remorse sucks. As of now, the seller is out the money And the beautiful army. If the zip code was mis-written by the buyer it may have been misdelivered and the seller may never get it back. Something that expensive should be shipped insured and signature required.

As of now, the seller is out everything, and the "buyer" is out nothing. So please, unless you have new info do not assume anything about thehod, or the buyer. Clusterfeths like this are why I only buy internationally via Paypal, and do not sell- the protection is all for the buyer.

 RiTides wrote:
I disagree. The buyer Forced a refund via Paypal, then his return shipment didn't get to the seller. A beautiful army like that getting shipped twice internationally due to buyer's remorse sucks. As of now, the seller is out the money And the beautiful army. If the zip code was mis-written by the buyer it may have been misdelivered and the seller may never get it back. Something that expensive should be shipped insured and signature required.

As of now, the seller is out everything, and the "buyer" is out nothing. So please, unless you have new info do not assume anything about thehod, or the buyer. Clusterfeths like this are why I only buy internationally via Paypal, and do not sell- the protection is all for the buyer.

Well I think everybody is really just concerned about what is happening in this case and would like to know what is happening and see if they can help.
That's the problem too, we don't know if there is the return shipment is found or not because thehod has not updated the status of this event.

To be fair though, if you bought a beautiful army and it was all broken when it arrived, you wouldn't want it either.
It might suck for the buyer but that's a risk that you have to take for using paypal's service and not getting insurance.

Anyway, I'm not saying whose fault it is, but with such strong accusations it would be fair to ask for an update from to see the progress of this event.

Sorry for bumping this thread if we are not allowed to comment on such an event and raise concerns about this case.

 RiTides wrote:
I disagree. The buyer Forced a refund via Paypal, then his return shipment didn't get to the seller. A beautiful army like that getting shipped twice internationally due to buyer's remorse sucks. As of now, the seller is out the money And the beautiful army. If the zip code was mis-written by the buyer it may have been misdelivered and the seller may never get it back. Something that expensive should be shipped insured and signature required.

As of now, the seller is out everything, and the "buyer" is out nothing. So please, unless you have new info do not assume anything about thehod, or the buyer. Clusterfeths like this are why I only buy internationally via Paypal, and do not sell- the protection is all for the buyer.

Isn't 'buyers remorse' an assumption? The buyer claimed the army was damaged. Which it could have been if it was not packed well enough. He also claimed that he only forced the refund after the OP failed to straighten things out. TheHod did post here saying that he can't be held responsible for damage caused by international shipping. So it is no great leap of imagination to conclude that he didn't think it was his responsibility to fix. If that was his attitude then forcing the refund might have been the only option. Of course it was his responsibility. He was the one who packed it, and was paid a lot of money for the army. It should have been able to survive trip there and back no problem.

 RiTides wrote:
If the zip code was mis-written by the buyer.

Could also be an idiot/drunk/over-the-hill-old post office employee who can't read properly.

The OP brought this story/thread to us though (in the general discussions forum), so nobody can be blamed to want to know how it ends. People might have been waiting to do business with either one of the parties involved to see the outcome. It is very strange at least that this seemed to be only a trip to a post offcie away of potentially being solved, and it suddenly went quiet.

I don't blame people for wanting to know how it ends- all I was trying to say is, put away the pitchforks, it's possible the OP is still out a beautiful army And the payment.

I think damage is possible even on well packed international shipments. Add to that Paypal's bias to the buyer, and that's why I'd never sell something like this internationally.

Note: This isn't a transaction report or in the Swap Shop. Both of these posts are just my opinion. I also think that the buyer should have insured/gotten signature required on the return shipment, and it would simply be a failed sale. As it is, it could be much worse.

Also, I apologize if my prior post came off too strongly. Simply, I am saying we have no new information, so don't assume the OP got the army back (or anything about the buyer- again, apologies if I did so).