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So many comic book nerds have bowed their heads in sorrow today, as Peter Parker, at the age of 50, has fallen. This is in the 616 universe, not an alternate universe. Thought my fellow nerds on here would like to join me in a moment of silence for a fallen hero. I figured most would die at least once in Marvel, but I didn't expect Marvel's chosen son to fall. We all know he'll be back, as nobody stays dead in comics. But for now, Peter Parker is gone. And since you'll all want reputable links...how does CNN sound? I won't say how he died today, but the link DOES say how, so spoiler warning (warning is also on the CNN page). I'm also pretty sure this will be more noticeable than Captain America's death before, and it's definitely more-so than the Human Torch's "death" before.
Link did work, I'm reading it right now. Here I'll copy and paste for the work blocked.
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Editor's note: SPOILER WARNING: Do not read this story if you don't want to know what happens in "Amazing Spider-Man" #700.
(CNN) -- For decades, comic books have had major shake-ups in their pages, with varying degrees of fan support -- and outrage.
In 1992, well before the advent of social media, Superman was killed and comic books went flying off the shelves.
In 2007, social media like Facebook and Twitter were in their infancy when Captain America died.
And now -- due in part to the abundance of social media and the intense interest in Spider-Man's alter ego, Peter Parker -- a firestorm has erupted, after Marvel revealed that Parker will die, and the role of Spider-Man will be taken over by his archenemy, Doctor Octopus.
The just-released "Amazing Spider-Man" #700 marks the end of one of the most popular comic book series of all time after 50 years. All parties involved maintain that the changes are quite permanent, and next month the saga begins anew with the release of "The Superior Spider-Man" #1, with the Doc, Otto Octavius, stepping into the Spidey suit.
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Otto believes that with the combination of his intelligence and Parker's inherited memories and spider powers, he can be an uber-Spider-Man. He can live Parker's life better than Peter could -- from fighting crime to getting back together with on-again, off-again girlfriend Mary Jane Watson.
When issue #700 was leaked early, fan reaction -- both positive and negative -- went into overdrive, with a few death threats directed at the issue's writer, Dan Slott.
Slott reacted on his Twitter and Facebook by saying he would report any threats: "Reality check: There is NO such thing as a 'funny death threat.' Especially if you TAG someone in it."
Slott later noted that the reactions were getting more civil, as time went on.
CNN spoke separately to Slott and to Marvel editor Stephen Wacker about the controversial comic.
CNN: Why did you choose Doc Ock as the next Spider-Man?
Dan Slott: When we first met Peter Parker, he was a teenage bespectacled nerd who resented all the other kids. One of his first lines was, "Some day I'll show them all! Some day they'll be sorry they ever laughed at me." That's not something a hero would say. If Peter had never learned the lesson of "great power and great responsibility," there's every chance he would have become a supervillain.
And then you have Otto Octavius, a bespectacled scientist who, after his radioactive accident, became the eight-legged Doctor Octopus. For all intents and purposes, he was the adult Peter could have become, Spider-Man's dark reflection. So what if we flipped it? What if we gave him a second chance? Peter's final, heroic act was giving Doc all the memories and experiences that kept him on the right path. But is that enough? Can that overcome Ock's true nature?
CNN: How did this idea originate?
Stephen Wacker: This was an idea Dan had when he came onto the book. It changed shape as we went. It wasn't originally going to be in the 700th issue, but as the story grew, we realized maybe it was time to change up the makeup of Spider-Man for good, to make a permanent change. With that and the fact that the 50th anniversary was approaching, we thought, let's go out with a bang.
CNN: Did the word spread around Marvel quickly when this was first discussed?
Wacker: Three times a year we have editorial retreats, where we bring in our writers and discuss every single book. Anytime we talk about Spider-Man, it's a big deal. There were certainly some loud opinions in the room.
Our editor-in-chief, Axel Alonso, was one of the louder voices not buying it originally. All the things Axel poked at toughened the story up and made us look at things differently.
CNN: Was that a sneak preview of how fans might react?
Wacker: The fan reaction never really surprises me. Anything you do with any of our characters, there's a big vocal fan base, particularly online. It gets more magnified with Spidey. You find people of all stripes reacting -- people who have been reading it for 50 years and love it, and others who say they're quitting Marvel forever.
I keep all the fan mail. You can see some of the same people who have written about six things over the past six years that made them drop Marvel forever.
There are not a lot of storytelling opportunities in the world where you get such an immediate, visceral reaction. That's a part of the job I like.
Slott: I've actually gotten a fair amount of "This is awesome!" (reactions to the story), but it's been very polarizing. No one has a middling review. No one has a take of, "It was all right." People are very split.
I got an angry tweet saying, "I don't like seeing bad things happen to good people." I'm like, good luck reading Charles Dickens, Mark Twain -- anything in literature!
Now people are saying, "Nooooo! Why are you being mean to (Peter)?" The answer is two words: "Dra. Ma."
CNN: Have you learned anything in dealing with the reaction to this particular issue on social media?
Slott: We have the most passionate fans in the world! Everyone knows who Spider-Man is-- and everyone cares about him!
In the world of comics, thanks to (newspaper publisher) J. Jonah Jameson, everyone thinks he's a menace. But in our world, he's beloved. Now we're going to flip that too. The readers are Jonah. They aren't ready to cut this guy a break. They think he's a menace! This is going to be the most meta Spider-Man of them all! And going from everything I've seen on social media, I am so up for that challenge!
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God I wonder how many times they have to kill and then revive comic book characters. Pretty much a trope now to kill off a character and then decide to bring them back. Wonder how many times Batman died by now.....
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His only "death" event in comics involved him going back in time thanks to an Omega Beam from Darkseid, but he never really "died."
I remember that one
Funnily enough Batman attacked Darkseid with a Gun in that one (a magic gun that could hurt Darkseid anyways)
Guess I also thought of the "What Happened to the Cape Crusader" which was a what if on everyone's personal account on how Bruce died in a variety of different fates
His only "death" event in comics involved him going back in time thanks to an Omega Beam from Darkseid, but he never really "died."
I remember that one
Funnily enough Batman attacked Darkseid with a Gun in that one (a magic gun that could hurt Darkseid anyways)
Guess I also thought of the "What Happened to the Cape Crusader" which was a what if on everyone's personal account on how Bruce died in a variety of different fates
Golden Age Batman used to use guns all the time. Killed people, too.
His only "death" event in comics involved him going back in time thanks to an Omega Beam from Darkseid, but he never really "died."
I remember that one
Funnily enough Batman attacked Darkseid with a Gun in that one (a magic gun that could hurt Darkseid anyways)
Guess I also thought of the "What Happened to the Cape Crusader" which was a what if on everyone's personal account on how Bruce died in a variety of different fates
Golden Age Batman used to use guns all the time. Killed people, too.
Yeah, I recall there being a WW2 era comic that featured the Bat using a machine gun, an M42 I think.
It was pretty awesome.
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gunslingerpro wrote: Supposedly this is a new direction, and quite permanent. The logic is interesting.
HEARD IT BEFORE
Not giving you a hard time, but I think killing a comic character is a stupid gimmick because they never have the nads to follow through on it. Jean Grey, Cypher, Warlock, Superman, Batman, Captain America, The Punisher, etc etc etc.
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No one stays dead in comics except for Uncle Ben and Bucky (and that last one turned out to be alive after all making this classic statement true and ironic at the same time).
LordofHats wrote: No one stays dead in comics except for Uncle Ben and Bucky (and that last one turned out to be alive after all making this classic statement true and ironic at the same time).
I was gonna say, wasn't Bucky in one of the recent Avengers + X-Men lol
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Well, Nightcrawler has stayed dead. The current version was taken from the Age of Apocalypse universe, and anyone familiar with that 'verse knows that Nightcrawler to be the polar opposite to the regular version. Gwen Stacy has also stayed dead. Bruce Wayne's parents, Dick Grayson's parents, Superman's parents, Wolverine's girlfriends...lots of people have stayed dead. But I agree, we have heard it all before, as I mentioned in my first post. They claim permanence, we shall see. I'm curious to see how Doc Ock works out as the new Spider-man.
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I cared more about Captain America dying than Spiderman. I really couldn't care less about Spiderman. "I am a young person, life is hard, and I have white goo all over my hands" is a theme that didn't really interest me even when I was in the age category.
timetowaste85 wrote: So many comic book nerds have bowed their heads in sorrow today, as Peter Parker, at the age of 50, has fallen. This is in the 616 universe, not an alternate universe. Thought my fellow nerds on here would like to join me in a moment of silence for a fallen hero. I figured most would die at least once in Marvel, but I didn't expect Marvel's chosen son to fall. We all know he'll be back, as nobody stays dead in comics. But for now, Peter Parker is gone. And since you'll all want reputable links...how does CNN sound? I won't say how he died today, but the link DOES say how, so spoiler warning (warning is also on the CNN page). I'm also pretty sure this will be more noticeable than Captain America's death before, and it's definitely more-so than the Human Torch's "death" before.
Yeah, I read about this a few weeks ago on 4chan when it was leaked. Personally, I think it's a really stupid idea, but then again spiderman was always my most hated marvel character.
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I actually have been liking the Ultimate Comics: Spiderman with Miles Morales... it captures the whole, "idk what I'm doing" aspect and "trying to do good" that was in Spiderman but it's with a younger kid, so it's a little more believable.
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Alfndrate wrote: I actually have been liking the Ultimate Comics: Spiderman with Miles Morales... it captures the whole, "idk what I'm doing" aspect and "trying to do good" that was in Spiderman but it's with a younger kid, so it's a little more believable.
Ugh, I read "I got bit right around the same time but hid my powers, only to reveal them when Peter died because the world needs a Spider-man" and just put the book down. Nobody needs that kind of filth. Actually, the entire Ultimate universe sucks right now. They promised us people would die, and not come back. New Black Widow. Wolverine has a son with the same abilities. New Spiderman. New Giant Men. Xavier and Magneto are back as the Xorn brothers. Once again, expectations laid waste by fail.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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Alfndrate wrote: I actually have been liking the Ultimate Comics: Spiderman with Miles Morales... it captures the whole, "idk what I'm doing" aspect and "trying to do good" that was in Spiderman but it's with a younger kid, so it's a little more believable.
Ugh, I read "I got bit right around the same time but hid my powers, only to reveal them when Peter died because the world needs a Spider-man" and just put the book down. Nobody needs that kind of filth. Actually, the entire Ultimate universe sucks right now. They promised us people would die, and not come back. New Black Widow. Wolverine has a son with the same abilities. New Spiderman. New Giant Men. Xavier and Magneto are back as the Xorn brothers. Once again, expectations laid waste by fail.
Actually Miles was bit after Spiderman had died in his universe. They actually did a decent crossover with 616 Spidey and Miles... and Ultimate Comics: Spiderman is different than Ultimate Spiderman, which is different than the 616 Earth Spiderman stories...
Edit: I apparently lack decent reading skills... I should go back and reread them...
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Alfndrate wrote: This reminds me, isn't Spider man slated to be the next jump over to Marvel Now?
Yup, under the name of "The Superior Spider-Man"
The way they've done it makes me think that they'll have a very hard time changing it back:
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Don't say I didn't warn you...
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Basically, Doc Ock has switched minds with Peter Parker, whilst days from dying of illness, and has now died, so Peter Parker's conciousness is dead, but his body is being inhabited by Doc Ock, with Parker's memories and the aforementioned mind swap having brainwashed him into not being evil any more, but still being a genius (hence "Superior"), and intent on carrying on the legacy of Spider-Man.
I'm not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, it gives a good jumping on point, whilst sort of maintaining the status quo (except that Doc Ock is now dead), on the other hand, he was a super villain, and killed a fair few people, and was acting evil mere pages before his change of heart, so it leaves me slightly skeptical.
I read spider man in trades, so generally run ablout 6 months to a year behind current. I am super displeased to have such a big event spoiled while browsing a Mini Wargaming forum. You could have maybe thought a bit more about this before titling your thread that just shows up on the "Recent Topics" section of Dakka, so I wasn't looking for Comics happenings, but I'll be damed if I didn't have them whack me in the face. Displeased.
Lord_Osma wrote: I read spider man in trades, so generally run ablout 6 months to a year behind current. I am super displeased to have such a big event spoiled while browsing a Mini Wargaming forum. You could have maybe thought a bit more about this before titling your thread that just shows up on the "Recent Topics" section of Dakka, so I wasn't looking for Comics happenings, but I'll be damed if I didn't have them whack me in the face. Displeased.
I do the same thing with US Elections. Imagine how I felt.
Lord_Osma wrote: I read spider man in trades, so generally run ablout 6 months to a year behind current. I am super displeased to have such a big event spoiled while browsing a Mini Wargaming forum. You could have maybe thought a bit more about this before titling your thread that just shows up on the "Recent Topics" section of Dakka, so I wasn't looking for Comics happenings, but I'll be damed if I didn't have them whack me in the face. Displeased.
Don't watch the news either then. Seeing how this article was on CNN and tons of other news sites (I just picked the best), Captain America's death was run on the Daily Show, Fox News, Colbert Report...the news takes these things seriously. You probably shouldn't emerge from your cave. It's also likely one of the top news stories if you open Yahoo. I avoided putting in the entire article so the events wouldn't be spoiled, but it's hard to travel the internet right now without seeing news on Peter Parker's death. It's also on Facebook, Twitter, and every other form of social media. The only way to avoid this is to stay in that cave. Or kill the Internet.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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LordofHats wrote:No one stays dead in comics except for Uncle Ben and Bucky (and that last one turned out to be alive after all making this classic statement true and ironic at the same time).
I'm fairly certain the Barry Allen Flash has stayed dead.
chaos0xomega wrote: Im reasonably sure they killed spiderman before... i think pretty much every major hero and most villains has died...
As I pointed out earlier, the Ultimate universe's Peter Parker has perished, and Miles Morales is the spiderman in that universe how. Though his comic isn't Ultimate Spiderman, it's Ultimate Comics: Spiderman, but that's just naming conventions...
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Yeah but (in my opinion) the alternate universe thing just cheapens a characters identity, and its why I quit comic books save for select issues and story arcs that appeal to me. The character is not TRULY dead if he still exists in a parallel timeline. Its a copout, and a very cheap one at that. I understand that it gives the writers a lot of literary freedom and all but IMO it stunts character development and removes a lot of the emotional attachment to the characters, etc. Especially on the writers part.
Take Harry Potter for example. I hardly consider myself a fan, I read the books and loved them, but I never dressed up, nor did I ever bother watching the films. When certain characters died (Sirius, Dumbledore) I actually cried. Why? Because they were dead and they would probably stay dead. Likewise they stayed dead.
Now lets take Arkham City... when Joker died (amongst others) at the end of the game, I was in shock... I started to shed a tear because I am a HUGE Batman fan and I have a deep appreciation and understanding of the Batman Joker dynamic. BUT then I remembered... he's been killed more than a few times before, and the games take place in the "Arkhamverse" which is a separate continuity from the rest... so, we have a likely non-permanent death (I'm aware the body was cremated in the spin-off comics, no need to bring it up), in a separate continuity, why do I need to feel emotionally attached to the fateof a character? Likewise, so you think Dini shed any tears when he killed the Joker lime Rowling did Sirius/Dumbledore? Doubt it.
At this point, killing of characters is a marketing decision. Like the article said they meet up and discuss what direction they should take etc. Writingba character should be a deeply emotional and intimate affair, not a boardroom decision.
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Yeah but (in my opinion) the alternate universe thing just cheapens a characters identity, and its why I quit comic books save for select issues and story arcs that appeal to me. The character is not TRULY dead if he still exists in a parallel timeline. Its a copout, and a very cheap one at that. I understand that it gives the writers a lot of literary freedom and all but IMO it stunts character development and removes a lot of the emotional attachment to the characters, etc. Especially on the writers part.
To be fair, Marvel has stated their Ultimate universe let's them play with continuity and tell different stories that might go against established canon in order to tell a story that might be more appealing.
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