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 MrMerlin wrote:
In Switzerland they probably don't have mass shootings because there are only a few million swiss people, and you have 300.000.000 in the US.


We're talking about rates, not absolute totals, so the population difference is accounted for. Unless you're going to blame the US crime rate on a higher urban population (IOW, higher population density), in which case you have to admit that it's not just about how many guns there are.

In Germany for example, they do a number of tests to determine wheter you're mentally fit to have a gun (if you're the kind who might shoot his cheating spouse, sorry, no gun for you),


I hate to ruin your fantasy, but there's no magic test that can discover that unless you're stupid enough to say "yes" when they ask you if you want to kill someone.

they teach you how to use it responsiveley


And how does that matter? Do you really think that a class in responsible gun ownership is going to stop someone from murdering? That the would-be serial killer is going to take the class, realize the error of their ways, and go live a peaceful gun-free life?

they require you to keep it in a locked safe (exept when you're using it for self defense, but the mother of that shooter probably wasn't)


I won't disagree here, this is a sensible law that should be enforced in the US. Lack of proper gun storage is a problem.

Also, it's a serious offence to let anyone without a gun owners license use your guns, so nobody would go get one for a school shooter, becuase they'd end up in jail for a loooong time...


It's already a crime in the US to buy a gun for someone else if you know they aren't legally allowed to buy one, and it's certainly a crime to buy a gun for someone if you know they're going to use it in a crime (conspiracy to commit murder anyone?). However, the fact that it's a crime doesn't stop people from doing it, just like the fact that robbery is a crime doesn't stop people from stealing.

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 Breotan wrote:
 MrMerlin wrote:
He sucks at researching.
The definition of violent crime in the US is very different to the one in England
I wonder how high the violent crime stats would be in the US if you also count all the little nits that they count in the UK, and vice versa, how low the stats would be there if they only counted manslaughter, rape, muggings and assaults. Way to bend the facts, poster of that vid! You just did the exact same thing as those who you are criticizing!
Are you sure he did that? It seems to me that he simply went to the Home Office web site and compared stats listed. Perhaps he simply assumed (a mistake that many people involed in this debate make) that violent crime meant the same thing in both countries? I suppose you can break down the definition of violent crime into specifics but the points of where violent crimes are predominate and that a simple ban on guns won't solve those problems as claimed are both valid.


Violent crime and gun crime are complex social phenomena with many factors of causation.

The USA apparently does not collect national statistics for violent crime which does not involve the use of weapons. The UK does, and includes all sex crimes in its figures. This makes the UK violent crime figures look massive compared to the US figures, unless you look at murders specifically, which are much more clearly defined.

If we want to compare gun crime, however, it would be more relevant to look at the data for crimes committed with firearms, which are very clearly massively higher in the US than the UK.

It is valid to question if gun crime could be reduced by a gun licensing regime in the USA. However it may be noted that the UK has brought in the licensing regime dreaded by the NRA -- strong restriction on weapons for law abiding citizens only. The UK has not suffered a massive wave of gun crime even so, and avoids the numerous unfortunate suicides and accidental woundings that happen with easy access to weapons.

Gun woundings may be a price worth paying for the free enjoyment of weapons for sport shooting, and so on. It is an matter of social attitudes.

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 Peregrine wrote:
In Germany for example, they do a number of tests to determine wheter you're mentally fit to have a gun (if you're the kind who might shoot his cheating spouse, sorry, no gun for you),


I hate to ruin your fantasy, but there's no magic test that can discover that unless you're stupid enough to say "yes" when they ask you if you want to kill someone.


There is a "magic" test that can discover if a person is likeley to shoot people. It's of course much more complex than a simple "are you going to kill someone with that?"
You can actually say a lot about someone mental state by subconcious reactions and such

they teach you how to use it responsiveley


And how does that matter? Do you really think that a class in responsible gun ownership is going to stop someone from murdering? That the would-be serial killer is going to take the class, realize the error of their ways, and go live a peaceful gun-free life?


This of course won't stop serial killers, it's there to prevent accidents, which do atually happen a lot. There are tons of people who suffer gunshot wounds in the US because someone wasn't handling the weapon responsiveley. They try to prevent that in Europe by thoroughly teaching people how to and how not to handle a gun

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 Peregrine wrote:
So why is it that other countries with high gun ownership have much lower murder rates than the US?


(Hint: it's because of cultural problems in the US, not the presence of guns.)


Do they actually have lower murder rates, or just lower murder rates with guns. Outside of SCandinavia of course because there are only forty two people in Scandinavia and twelve of them are on the Swedish bikini team. Scandanavia...the land where people have the right priorities.
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 Peregrine wrote:
 MrMerlin wrote:
It's partly that, and the fact that they don't distribute guns to those who'd use them to kill people ( background checks). btw what countries are you talking about?


Let's just go with Switzerland, the country where every household has a military rifle that US gun owners can only dream of ever getting to touch, and yet somehow the murder rate is lower than in the US and there aren't daily mass shootings.

Also, background checks aren't magical "know everything there is to know about this person" spells. A background check isn't going to find a problem if there's no record of it (someone who has mental problems but has never been diagnosed with anything), or if the problem only develops later after the person has passed the background check (for example, someone shooting their cheating spouse). Nor do they prevent someone from getting a gun from someone who did pass the background check, whether by stealing it (like in the recent shooting), or by getting someone with a clean record to pass the check and give it to them.


Said weapons are also rigorously regulated, they also don't get any ammo for the guns and the national ammo market is strictly regulated. Switzerland is an argument for tighter control, not looser.

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 Kilkrazy wrote:
It is valid to question if gun crime could be reduced by a gun licensing regime in the USA. However it may be noted that the UK has brought in the licensing regime dreaded by the NRA -- strong restriction on weapons for law abiding citizens only. The UK has not suffered a massive wave of gun crime even so, and avoids the numerous unfortunate suicides and accidental woundings that happen with easy access to weapons.

Gun woundings may be a price worth paying for the free enjoyment of weapons for sport shooting, and so on. It is an matter of social attitudes.

It may also be noted that the UK did not have even a tenth of the guns per capita that the US has when it brought in its 'dreaded licensing regime.' We have more guns than we have cars, and we have hundreds of millions of cars. Pretending that a solution that worked for a small population with a small amount of guns who already pretty much buy into the idea of 'flexible' rights would work here is not the way to go.
   
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Oh looky Piers joking about shooting Alex jones now.
Piers Morgan and Guests Discuss Shooting Alex Jones

http://www.infowars.com/veiled-threat-piers-morgan-guest-says-shoot-alex-jones/
Daily Beast writer Buzz Bissinger says Piers Morgan should “pop” Alex Jones with a semi-automatic weapon.

Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com
January 8, 2013

CNN and the gun grabbing media are now calling for Alex Jones to be shot the day after his heated appearance with Piers Morgan.

In a segment on Piers Morgan’s CNN program, sports columnist for the Daily Beast, Buzz Bissinger, shockingly states:

“I don’t care what the justification is that you’re allowed in this country to own a semi-automatic weapon – much less a handgun. But what do you need a semi-automatic weapon for? The only reason I think you’d need it is, Piers, challenge Alex Jones to a boxing match, show up with a semi-automatic that you got legally and pop him.”

Abby Huntsman (Huffington Post) : “I’d love to see that… [laughter] in uniform.”

Piers Morgan: “I’ll borrow my brothers uniform.”


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 dogma wrote:
 Breotan wrote:
Still, since Piers went on to pick and choose his crime stats, I thought I'd link a better, rational video that won't address every aspect of the issue but it won't insult your intelligence either.


That video insulted my intelligence by ignoring the variance in how violent crime is defined, which is a common objection and one which any considered speaker should address.




That's fair criticism of the video, but I think it's still worth noting that the homicide rate in the US has been going down and is now lower than it's been in over ten years, something that few of the big media outlets have been mentioning. The concentration of murders in urban areas, and the fact that the US has more large urban areas than the UK is also pertinent.

   
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 Hordini wrote:
That's fair criticism of the video, but I think it's still worth noting that the homicide rate in the US has been going down and is now lower than it's been in over ten years, something that few of the big media outlets have been mentioning. The concentration of murders in urban areas, and the fact that the US has more large urban areas than the UK is also pertinent.

Firearm crime rates going down, gun ownership going up, gun laws being relaxed, and women becoming an ever-increasing percentage of the gun-owning public, all at the same time. None of that fits the, "Guns are a terrible problem, we must do something!" narrative of most major media outlets in this country, though, so you won't often hear such mentioned.
   
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 Hordini wrote:

That's fair criticism of the video, but I think it's still worth noting that the homicide rate in the US has been going down and is now lower than it's been in over ten years, something that few of the big media outlets have been mentioning. The concentration of murders in urban areas, and the fact that the US has more large urban areas than the UK is also pertinent.


True, but my central problem with the video remains: much as with many sources of "alternative media" this guy frames his argument with the concept that "mainstream media" is presenting only the facts that suit some abstract agenda, and then proceeds to do exactly the same thing. The abstract agenda is, of course, making money. I assume the agenda this guy, and most alternative media outlets, is much the same.

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Frazzled wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
So why is it that other countries with high gun ownership have much lower murder rates than the US?


(Hint: it's because of cultural problems in the US, not the presence of guns.)


Do they actually have lower murder rates, or just lower murder rates with guns. Outside of SCandinavia of course because there are only forty two people in Scandinavia and twelve of them are on the Swedish bikini team. Scandanavia...the land where people have the right priorities.
Pics or it didn't happen.

You'll find your answers here. Please note that the US has a higher homicide rate than many of the Balkans. However, I will admit that I am unsure of what consitutes the homicide rate in these countries, as I suspect that terrorist/military conflicts are excluded from the count, given that countries such as Yemen, Turkey and Afghanistan are presented as having lower homicide rates than the US. And of course, many of these countries will present massive dark figures, as record-keeping isn't as strong there as it is in the US.

And, in juxtaposition of this grim figure and to fulfill your second request (Maybe NSFW if you work for a puritanical overlord?):
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dogma wrote:
 Hordini wrote:

That's fair criticism of the video, but I think it's still worth noting that the homicide rate in the US has been going down and is now lower than it's been in over ten years, something that few of the big media outlets have been mentioning. The concentration of murders in urban areas, and the fact that the US has more large urban areas than the UK is also pertinent.


True, but my central problem with the video remains: much as with many sources of "alternative media" this guy frames his argument with the concept that "mainstream media" is presenting only the facts that suit some abstract agenda, and then proceeds to do exactly the same thing. The abstract agenda is, of course, making money. I assume the agenda this guy, and most alternative media outlets, is much the same.

You would be wrong in your assumption. If it is Alex Jones you are speaking of, then the agenda with him is BLALRGH!!! ARMAGUMMA!!! BLARHGISKJNE!!!! INFOWARS DOT COM!!! BLARHGHSAS!!!***

***Translation: I am a possibly-dangerous paranoid schizophrenic that has been granted a media platform which encourages erratic behaviour. Had I been raised in Canada, I instead may have channeled that energy into recording novelty songs. Unfortunately, I was raised in an environment without a functioning mental health system that has slowly amalgamated its criminal justice system with the entertainment industry to create an environment wherein my particular undiagnosed mental disorder is rendered virutally indistinguishable from the more polarized aspects of the news media. Please look at my website for a completely unfettered example of my psychological problems at inforwars.com

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Piers Morgan, reprehensible subhuman.
   
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Terentius wrote:Piers Morgan, reprehensible subhuman.

Seriously? That's your takeaway from this?
   
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 azazel the cat wrote:
Terentius wrote:Piers Morgan, reprehensible subhuman.

Seriously? That's your takeaway from this?


Well he dopes look like a person who eats scones and is insufferably pleased with himself...

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 azazel the cat wrote:
Terentius wrote:Piers Morgan, reprehensible subhuman.

Seriously? That's your takeaway from this?

Was there another we were supposed to be getting?
   
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Seaward wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
Terentius wrote:Piers Morgan, reprehensible subhuman.

Seriously? That's your takeaway from this?

Was there another we were supposed to be getting?

After having seen the Alex Jones interview, "Piers Morgan is bad" is nowhere near the top of the list of things that can be taken from that clip.
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
Oh looky Piers joking about shooting Alex jones now.
Piers Morgan and Guests Discuss Shooting Alex Jones

http://www.infowars.com/veiled-threat-piers-morgan-guest-says-shoot-alex-jones/


Lies. Everyone knows that the black helicopters will get Alex Jones first, therefore shooting him is impossible.

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 azazel the cat wrote:
Seaward wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
Terentius wrote:Piers Morgan, reprehensible subhuman.

Seriously? That's your takeaway from this?

Was there another we were supposed to be getting?

After having seen the Alex Jones interview, "Piers Morgan is bad" is nowhere near the top of the list of things that can be taken from that clip.


I see them as the same kind of person. Reprehensible gakheads.

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 azazel the cat wrote:
Seaward wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
Terentius wrote:Piers Morgan, reprehensible subhuman.

Seriously? That's your takeaway from this?

Was there another we were supposed to be getting?

After having seen the Alex Jones interview, "Piers Morgan is bad" is nowhere near the top of the list of things that can be taken from that clip.


Didn't see the interview. Just expressing my distaste.
   
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KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
Seaward wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
Terentius wrote:Piers Morgan, reprehensible subhuman.

Seriously? That's your takeaway from this?

Was there another we were supposed to be getting?

After having seen the Alex Jones interview, "Piers Morgan is bad" is nowhere near the top of the list of things that can be taken from that clip.


I see them as the same kind of person. Reprehensible gakheads.

See, I make a distinction: Piers Morgan is a douche who happens to be on the right side of things this time around, whereas Alex Jones is a victim of an underfunded mental health system.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
Idiot vs crazy idiot.


Actually, it's quite possible that Alex Jones is perfectly sane, and has just figured out that tinfoil hat idiots are a good market to exploit. Sure, it might cost him his dignity, but maybe the money makes it all worth it?

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 Peregrine wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Idiot vs crazy idiot.


Actually, it's quite possible that Alex Jones is perfectly sane, and has just figured out that tinfoil hat idiots are a good market to exploit. Sure, it might cost him his dignity, but maybe the money makes it all worth it?


That's always been my theory for Jones. There's a market, he's meeting the market's needs and laughing all the way to the bank.

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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Idiot vs crazy idiot.


Actually, it's quite possible that Alex Jones is perfectly sane, and has just figured out that tinfoil hat idiots are a good market to exploit. Sure, it might cost him his dignity, but maybe the money makes it all worth it?


That's always been my theory for Jones. There's a market, he's meeting the market's needs and laughing all the way to the bank.


Very true. That's why I think FoxNews has the big chunk of the market. The country is roughly divided 50/50 in political ideology and there are quite a few news channels that are left leaning and only one really right leaning news channel. So it makes sense that they have the biggest share since they are not really competing with anybody when it comes to their demographic.
   
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Yes CNN is missing a golden opportunity to go center right.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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 Frazzled wrote:
Yes CNN is missing a golden opportunity to go center right.

Eh... I think they're heading that way...

Can't remember who, but a higher up CNN dude insinuated much that they'll be moving closer to FoxNews.


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“I am not your subject,” Boston wrote.

“I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America. I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.”

Boston explained that he believes once the government takes away assault weapons, it will be a “slippery slope” toward being able to restrict more and more types of firearms.

“Our firearms are important to us and they’re something that we have to have in order to keep what we have as a country going. And this starts us onto a slippery slope. They take (assault weapons) away, next they come for bolt-action guns. And there’s really no reason to register other than they confiscate at a later date in time,” said Boston.

Fienstein assured Mr. Boston that her bill excludes hunting rifle, and his response:
“This idea that the rights of existing gun owners is strictly limited to hunting and sporting purposes is just absurd and has no basis in the Bill of Rights. It’s not what it was for,” said Boston, who argued that throughout history there have been examples of governments confiscating citizens’ guns.

“It’s something we’ve seen happen time and time again in history. With Stalin, it happened in Cambodia and of course, the Third Reich. No one saw that coming until it was too late,” he said.


And here's Mr. Boston being interviewed by Morgan:


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 azazel the cat wrote:
After having seen the Alex Jones interview, "Piers Morgan is bad" is nowhere near the top of the list of things that can be taken from that clip.

I didn't watch that one. I watched the one posted earlier where he called a lot of names, and I've seen a lot of his highly uninformed tweets.
   
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Peregrine wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Idiot vs crazy idiot.


Actually, it's quite possible that Alex Jones is perfectly sane, and has just figured out that tinfoil hat idiots are a good market to exploit. Sure, it might cost him his dignity, but maybe the money makes it all worth it?

I can just about assure you that he's been crazy since way before it was mainstream. You just probably haven't heard his earlier stuff.

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Seaward wrote:
 azazel the cat wrote:
After having seen the Alex Jones interview, "Piers Morgan is bad" is nowhere near the top of the list of things that can be taken from that clip.

I didn't watch that one. I watched the one posted earlier where he called a lot of names, and I've seen a lot of his highly uninformed tweets.

Calling the head of the NRA: Crazy Division an "impossibly stupid man" was quite accurate, however. I'm clearly not a member of the 'guns are bad, mkay?' crowd, but Larry Pratt really does appear to be saying unfathomably stupid things in the clip that I posted earlier in the thread, such as arming all teachers with TMPs.
   
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 azazel the cat wrote:
Calling the head of the NRA: Crazy Division an "impossibly stupid man" was quite accurate, however. I'm clearly not a member of the 'guns are bad, mkay?' crowd, but Larry Pratt really does appear to be saying unfathomably stupid things in the clip that I posted earlier in the thread, such as arming all teachers with TMPs.

We'll have to agree to disagree, as I tend to find it's the crowd who believe more laws will prevent people from committing mass murder to be the impossibly stupid ones.
   
 
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