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So for Christmas my friend received his 3rd storm talon. He plans on running all 3 in our next game and was considering what load outs seemed best.

So far I believe he has 1 that is lascannon and assault cannon and the second one is identical. My friend was wondering if any of the missle launchers seemed viable to take for the talons.

Help is much appreciated!!!

 
   
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I prefer the Typhoon Missile Launchers as a more TAC weapon than the others, and meshes well with the Assault Cannon. Good for anti-horde (frag missiles) and fine for anti Light Tank/Marine (Kraks).

Also probably better for shooting at AV11 Flyers than the Lascannon. In my opinion, atleast.

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I agree missles are better with the two profiles to chose

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Alrighty thank you! Now if he were to be shooting vendettas down then he would need the lascannons then, right?

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No, he wouldn't. Especially if he's taking three. The typhoon missile launcher is better at getting glaces against av 12, and is only very slightly (something like point 3 percent) worse at getting pens.

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Oh okay, i just looked up the profile and its not to bad, i guess you would be right, thanks for the help!

 
   
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Go with lascannon and assault cannon. Both twin linked, both can deal with vehicles and 2+ armor saves, and it's cheaper than using the missile launchers.

The missile launcher is ok, but it turns the flier into an anti-infantry machine more than an anti-tank and flier killer. If you're taking a few fliers and you can't really hurt other fliers well, why take them?

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 juraigamer wrote:
Go with lascannon and assault cannon. Both twin linked, both can deal with vehicles and 2+ armor saves, and it's cheaper than using the missile launchers.

The missile launcher is ok, but it turns the flier into an anti-infantry machine more than an anti-tank and flier killer. If you're taking a few fliers and you can't really hurt other fliers well, why take them?


Okay I see what you mean. Yea my friends running 3 storm talons and the only real threats are 2 helldrakes, or my 2 vendettas. But I usually run an aegis with quad and my chaos friend is planning on experimenting with the quad and line.

So my friends got 2 talons with lascannons and 1 with the typhoon missile launcher.

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Typhoon missile launcher all day every day. No reason to take anything else.

the TL-Assault Cannon is already superior anti-tank then a TL-lascannon, and the Tyhoon can also deal with Hordes.

A TL-assault cannon and a Typhoon missile launcher is the perfect dual purpose loadout, and it sacrifices nothing to do it. its equally good against armor and infantry.


The Lascannon is too expensive and Skyhammer missiles main advantage of range is completely negated by being on a Flyer. If you are having range troubles on a 48" weapon on a vehicle that moves 18-36" a turn you are playing on way too big of boards.

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 Grey Templar wrote:


the TL-Assault Cannon is already superior anti-tank then a TL-lascannon, and the Tyhoon can also deal with Hordes.



For what AV?

The lack of AP2 hurts a good bit.

BS4 TL means you hit like 90% abouts
You need to roll a 6 to pen AV11-12 6+3-4 for AV13 and a 6+5-6 for av 14.
The lack of AP2 also hurts the dmg roll.

Same thing can be said with the Lascannon though.
90% to hit abouts
3+ for AV11,4+AV12,5+AV13,6AV14.
AP2 gives +1 to the chart which is nice.

All that said though and I would go with the roll more dice option personally.
Typhoon+AC ftw

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Here is the breakdown against the AVs of most flyers

TL las cannon
hits .89
glance+ vs AV10 .89
chance to destroy with pen 24%
glance+ vs AV11 .74
chance to destroy with pen 20%
glance+ vs AV12 .59
chance to destroy with pen 17%

typhoon
hits
1.33
glance+ vs AV10 1.11
chance to destroy with pen 15%
glance+ vs AV11 .89
chance to destroy with pen 11%
glance+ vs AV12 .67
chance to destroy with pen 7%

skyhammer
hits
2.00
glance+ vs AV10 1.33
chance to destroy with pen 17%
glance+ vs AV11 1
chance to destroy with pen 11%
glance+ vs AV12 .67
chance to destroy with pen 6%

And just for completeness sake
TL assault cannon
hits
3.56
glance+ vs AV10 1.78
chance to destroy with pen 20%
glance+ vs AV11 1.19
chance to destroy with pen 10%
glance+ vs AV12 .59
chance to destroy with pen not possible

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infornography wrote:
Here is the breakdown against the AVs of most flyers
And just for completeness sake
TL assault cannon
hits
3.56
glance+ vs AV10 1.78
chance to destroy with pen 20%
glance+ vs AV11 1.19
chance to destroy with pen 10%
glance+ vs AV12 .59
chance to destroy with pen not possible


You can destroy with a pen on a tl assault cannon, because it has rending. In fact, an assault cannon can destroy a land raider with a pen, though that doesn't happen often.

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jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:


the TL-Assault Cannon is already superior anti-tank then a TL-lascannon, and the Tyhoon can also deal with Hordes.



For what AV?


All of them.

Against AV14 it needs to rend and roll 3 or better on the additional dice. That may not seem like much but the Assault cannon has 4 shots. I don't have my fancy calculator with me, but if you do the math you will find it is superior to a lascannon against AV14. of course neither is particularly impressive, the chance for a glace or pen is around 5%

Against lower AVs the assault cannon only gets better because it still has 4 shots, meaning it has higher damage potential and probability.

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Grey Templar is right about the odds of bringing down armor 14. The assault cannon has a 4/9 chance to pull off a hull point, whereas the las cannon has only a 1/3.


also, there's the luck factor that should always help to choose between two guns that are of approximately equal worth. The assault cannon fire four shots and therefore has the possibility, no matter how remote, to cause 4 wounds, pull off four hull points, etc etc. Whereas the las cannon, even if you throw straight sixes, can only ever kill 1 thing.

but that's beside the point, as the assault cannons you are stuck with. The question, i believe, was between typhoon launchers or the lascannon.

It really depends on your list, but I'd say that one should favor the typhoon over the lascannons. 3 typhoon launchers will, on average, strip off 2 hull points(plus whatever damage that you get from pen) from AV 12, which isn't super, but isn't awful, throw in the assault cannons which, interestingly enough, can't glance AV 12, and, when you have three of them, will also pull off 2 hull points, the lascannons seem a little bit like overkill. Yes, it gives you a better chance of destroying a tank outright, but it actually has lower odds of pulling off a hull point than two missile shots.

And then, once all your opponents fliers are destroyed, you now have templates that you can start dumping onto people, as opposed to the ineffectual lascannon.



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I find the range on the lascannon to be quite handy in a lot of situations though. But this is a thread about the storm talon, and the typhoon is better anti-air than the lascannon. When I get my Smurf allies for my BA, I'll be using an assault cannon typhoon stormtalon probably.
   
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Lascannons have the same range as a Typhoon missile launcher. and range isn't an issue on a vehicle that moves 18-36" as turn. What is an issue is the angle due to being a flyer.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Lascannons have the same range as a Typhoon missile launcher. and range isn't an issue on a vehicle that moves 18-36" as turn. What is an issue is the angle due to being a flyer.


Umm sorry. I was comparing lascannon to assault cannon there, which isn't relevant in this thread. Sorry.
   
 
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