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I got an idea for a custom chapter I may start using, as well as a paint scheme and chapter emplem, and I was wondering if there have been any Successor Chapters which came from more than one Chapter? The Custom Chapter I was thinking of would be called Dark Ravens and, in case the name didn't give it away, they were to have been created by a joined force of Dark Angels and Blood Ravens. I just want to know if this is possible, as I would rather add to lore with my chapter than bend or break lore.
   
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Anything is possible if you want it to be.

IIRC Chapters can have combined Geneseed as part of their founding. The Dark Angels tend to be very secretative as do their successors, so personally whilst I feel its possible the result of such a combination may have little links to the DA?


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Don't remember specifics right now, but I saw it a few times on official chapters.

It basically means the chapter's original gene-seed is a mix of samples from two different chapters.

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TimmyTheNerd wrote:
I got an idea for a custom chapter I may start using, as well as a paint scheme and chapter emplem, and I was wondering if there have been any Successor Chapters which came from more than one Chapter? The Custom Chapter I was thinking of would be called Dark Ravens and, in case the name didn't give it away, they were to have been created by a joined force of Dark Angels and Blood Ravens. I just want to know if this is possible, as I would rather add to lore with my chapter than bend or break lore.


In general most chapters have a singular heratige, those rumours to be made of more are part of ill fated foundings that caused those chapters to have a range of problems.

The main problem with your idea is the founding chapters you have picked. New foundings are decided by the High Lords of Terra, they also decide the parentage of the chapters. While Dark Angels successors are now rarely created they are still possible, however Blood Ravens would never be chosen, half of their chapter has directly fallen to chaos (including its chapter master). The High Lords would have no reason to use their genestock when so many better genestocks are available (this is why ultramarine origin geneseed is mostly used). The only reason the Blood Ravens have not been purged by the Inquisition is due to their plot armour.

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Honestly the most likely way I can see a combined chapter is of the Imperial Fists and Ultramarines for a host of rather dull reasons. As it would be catastrophic trying to merge the ruthless Dark Angels with anyone, and the Blood Ravens generally is a hated not a beloved chapter of either kleptomaniacs or guys who calls their equipment up after heroes from other chapters. Neither is a kosher decision in my mind. Also with half the chapter falling to chaos, well then they often have to go on a crusade for 100 years. And they wouldn't be used ever in creating new chapters ever again, or as Blunty proposed purge them, but plot-armour keeps the Flesh Tearers alive and kicking as well, though here is hoping for a book ending their existence.

In the end of course you are free to use it, but some might perceive this as heretical as the thought of female Space Marines.

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A mixed-heritage Chapter is a lot more unlikely than a mixed-Chapter task force. Why not create task force Dark Raven and have some of the models painted as Dark Angels while the rest are painted as Blood Ravens?
   
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 BluntmanDC wrote:
The only reason the Blood Ravens have not been purged by the Inquisition is due to their plot armour.


No, the reason is that the purged themselves, not necessarily bothering to inform anyone from the outside of what REALLY happened and just says that all these guys "died in battle against alpha legion"
Nobody would ever raise questions about marines dying in combat against chaos marines, it happens all the time.

And even if the inquisition DOES know, the fact they preformed an inner purge means that the ones left are most likely pure, and there is no need to exterminate them. maybe just keep an eye open.

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A mixed founding could be exactly how a chapters origins are unknown. Fluff-wise, I think it would work out better of the chapter suspected it's origin being dark angels/blood ravens then actually knowing. With the issues with the blood ravens, it's unlikely that they would be advertising the link with blood ravens.


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I think it would be Ok, mainly because both chapters have issues. This new chapter is an attempt to weed out the issues and create a new stable genseed. And as for fluff say your new chapter is of an unknown founding and lineage but hint at the facts that it is a Dark Angel/Blood Raven mix. Good luck.


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You could also come up with a really good story for how your chapter has a mixed lineage. Like:
Originally the chapter was based on Blood raven gene stock acquired before chaos taint was discovered then after the blood ravens themselves started to become corrupted Dark Angel Gene stock was introduced to attempt to stabalise any flaws in the current gene stock. Why DA Gene Stock? maybe it was the closest available, maybe a DA succesor chapter and your dark ravens were really close battle buddies and so the DA succesor did your chapter a solid and provided some gene seed to keep the Dark Ravens from being wiped out by the inqisition. Maybe they used to be called _______ Ravens and changed their name to Dark Ravens as a show of respect to their DA saviors. Anything is possible man. Have fun!

   
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It's possible for foundings that are newer yes. I think its been hinted that the Blood Ravens are from both the Blood Angels and Raven Guard.

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You could always say there was a problem in the gene seed mixorium...

"Carl, can you get a Blood Angel DNA sample to throw in the pot here?"
"Sure thing.." stuff is thrown in.
"Carl! That was Dark Angel DNA!"
"Oh, it was? Sorry about that."

"Well, seeing as we've already started down this path we better not waste it. Get another round and pour it in the mixerator"

Some rummaging around, a minor crash, and Carl is seen pouring another pot in.

"Carl... What is that?"
"It's Dark Angel DNA."
"What was that crashing sound?"
"Well, I had knocked over the shelves and a few pots got mixed together and a few labels fell off. But that's okay, this pot is so dark its black so it has to be the right one. Interestingly, it does have a red tint to it."
"Carl! The Dark Angels are GREEN, the Raven Guard are BLACK!! And that red could be anything."
"Oh, they are? Sorry about that."

And so, the Dark Ravens were born.

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The 13th founding would be a good one to place your chapter at.

If you do use two chapters give your chapter some of the benefits of each with all the problems.


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I see no problems with this, seeing how my own Space Marine Chapter, the Screaming Dragons, is a combination from the Salamanders and the Howling Griffons. My chapter did eventually become obsessed with alien technology, and became Excommunicate Traitoris (joining the Tau), but that's besides the point.

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Sorry, too rude a statement, scratch it.

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 797th Red Tigers wrote:
I see no problems with this, seeing how my own Space Marine Chapter, the Screaming Dragons, is a combination from the Salamanders and the Howling Griffons. My chapter did eventually become obsessed with alien technology, and became Excommunicate Traitoris (joining the Tau), but that's besides the point.


Well feth. I had that same idea, but now it won't be unique.

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 BoomWolf wrote:
 797th Red Tigers wrote:
I see no problems with this, seeing how my own Space Marine Chapter, the Screaming Dragons, is a combination from the Salamanders and the Howling Griffons. My chapter did eventually become obsessed with alien technology, and became Excommunicate Traitoris (joining the Tau), but that's besides the point.


Well feth. I had that same idea, but now it won't be unique.

Hey, I've never heard a chaos marine say that
Besides, the greater good is always looking for new spess mareens.

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*Facepalms so hard* Small brains, small pleasures.

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 Beaviz81 wrote:
*Facepalms so hard* Small brains, small pleasures.

Oh, nawt you again.
Anyway, there's a lot of cool fan-fluff with every army, knock yourself out.

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 BoomWolf wrote:
 BluntmanDC wrote:
The only reason the Blood Ravens have not been purged by the Inquisition is due to their plot armour.


No, the reason is that the purged themselves, not necessarily bothering to inform anyone from the outside of what REALLY happened and just says that all these guys "died in battle against alpha legion"
Nobody would ever raise questions about marines dying in combat against chaos marines, it happens all the time.

And even if the inquisition DOES know, the fact they preformed an inner purge means that the ones left are most likely pure, and there is no need to exterminate them. maybe just keep an eye open.


The Inquisition DOES know first off. (They flat out tell the Inquisitor whats going on in Retribution)

Second, the Inquisition has purged ENTIRE chapters for less.


The reason the Blood Ravens didnt get destroyed is because they have friends in the Inquisiton who argued for them. (Toth, Andrasta)

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My idea was that a taskforce of Dark Angels and Blood Ravens were on a planet and sort of aiding eachother, the Dark Angels were there investigating a link to the Fallen and the Blood Ravens were there seeking lost chapter relics. It was a small outpost planet, so there was a decent sized Imperium presence as well as a small force of IG.

While they were on the planet, it got sucked into the Warp, this was roughly around late M37 and early M38 (as the Blood Ravens have been founded pre - early M37). In 715.M41, the planet emerges from the warp. The Blood Ravens and Dark Angels had been protecting the Imperium Outpost/Colony on the planet alongside the IG as they dealt with forces of Chaos.

In order to expand their operations, the few Apothecaries that were with the task force were forced to combine geneseeds so that they could recruit new members for the battle. By the time the planet came out of the warp, it was very difficult to tell who still held the original two geneseeds. Because of this, and their devotion to fighting chaos to the point of abandoning their original missions to do so, the Dark Ravens were founded during the 26th Founding.


That's the original backstory, I can modify it if it's too far fetched.
   
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No, that's not too far-fetched at all. Planets get nommed' by the warp all the time.
While I don't think that a one and a half SM chapters, a PDF and a small amount of Imperial Guard could hold out in the Warp very long, it seems very plausible.

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The planet doesn't have to be sucked into the warp - there's also things called Warp Storms that can make travel to entire regions of space impossible.

One such place is described as early as the Rogue Trader era - Logan's World. It's an imperial mining colony so close to the Eye of Terror that the warp storm sometimes isolates it for centuries. The humans survive as best they can, fighting the few ork bands on the planet. Once the warp storm recedes again imperial authorities move in to re-establish order as needed.
   
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 thesilverback wrote:
I think it would be Ok, mainly because both chapters have issues. This new chapter is an attempt to weed out the issues and create a new stable genseed. And as for fluff say your new chapter is of an unknown founding and lineage but hint at the facts that it is a Dark Angel/Blood Raven mix. Good luck.


The two problems with this:
1. Dark Angel geneseed is one of the most stable, the reason it isn't used much is political
2. Blood Ravens have little friends and are not trusted, as said before the High Lords would use proven geneseed than try to use geneseed from a chapter like the Blood Ravens. Yes the High Lords have tried to fix problems with certain geneseeds before but they were from chapters with long histories of service to the Emperor.

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If youre having a problem justifying your use of both, just say they are one army and each "codex" is their own unique company.

Thats what I do. I paint them all up the same scheme, but my C:SM force is the "main force", my Deathwing army is my "elite company", and when I get around to a BA force they will be the "assault company". Good luck!
   
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The only way I can see members of the Blood Ravens and the Dark Angels working together for an extended period, is in Deathwatch. That is a way better general solution than merging chapters together, and then you get more fancy weapons.

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Mixed Geneseed, nope it was tried and went terribly wrong, only one marine I can think of was stable, and thats honsou.

Now 2 chapters allocated to fight in a warzone getting almost completely destroyed combining out of necessity and then continuing on from there could work
   
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 797th Red Tigers wrote:
I see no problems with this, seeing how my own Space Marine Chapter, the Screaming Dragons, is a combination from the Salamanders and the Howling Griffons. My chapter did eventually become obsessed with alien technology, and became Excommunicate Traitoris (joining the Tau), but that's besides the point.


Burn heretic!

On topic, I do not see a issue with this if you flesh it out a bit, and offer a good explanation to why it has several father chapters.
   
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That can be done rather simply. Just turn the turning of the chapter on it's head. Having them first being branded as heretics, then join forces with the Tau as a last resort. As for the mixed heritage there I'm not so sure as geneseed don't tend to react well when mixed. Though I guess experimentation for trying to rid the worse mutations from the Salamanders can be a handwaved explanation. For the rest, well it takes time, and Tau ain't known for their longevity. I mean for the ruinous powers to turn a chapter takes hundred of years.

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Where did Tau and Salamanders come from? Just asking, since my Chapter was going to be Dark Angels mixed with Blood Ravens...sooo....yeah.
   
 
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