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A follow up from this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/495370.page. Which establishes that SoS effects all models within 6, including allies or even enemies.

Shrouding grants Stealth (+1 cover), SoS grants cover save of a 5+ for GK vehicles. For a 4+ Cover total. I say GK vehicles because while SoS effects all models, Shrouding only effects friendly models, which BA models would not be due to them being allies of convenience.

I see no reason why the powers wouldn't stack for GK vehicles. Thoughts?

1) Stealth is not a 5+ cover, it is +1 to cover saves.

2) BA and GK are not Battle Bro's so their powers do not work on each others units, as they are considered enemy units to each other.

Sorry got it backwards, that's what I get for posting when I wake up. Edited.

And read the linked post please. SoS grants the 5+ to ALL UNITS. It also does not target. That they are not battle Bros is irrelevant. Sanctuary however only applies to friendly units.

So basically SoS grants 5+ to all units, GK units benefit from Sanctuary as well, for a 4+.

So the SOS gives its cover to your opponents units as well?

Incorrect.

Look at the context. when they say 'all units' the BA Codex is referring to BA units.

 WhiteDevil wrote:
Sorry got it backwards, that's what I get for posting when I wake up. Edited.

And read the linked post please. SoS grants the 5+ to ALL UNITS. It also does not target. That they are not battle Bros is irrelevant. Sanctuary however only applies to friendly units.

So basically SoS grants 5+ to all units, GK units benefit from Sanctuary as well, for a 4+.

Ya man that's wrong because the FAQ changed the wording. Otherwise sanguinary priests would be giving your GKs FnP & FC too

warpspider89 wrote:

 WhiteDevil wrote:
Sorry got it backwards, that's what I get for posting when I wake up. Edited.

And read the linked post please. SoS grants the 5+ to ALL UNITS. It also does not target. That they are not battle Bros is irrelevant. Sanctuary however only applies to friendly units.

So basically SoS grants 5+ to all units, GK units benefit from Sanctuary as well, for a 4+.

Ya man that's wrong because the FAQ changed the wording. Otherwise sanguinary priests would be giving your GKs FnP & FC too

Sorry dude SoS is not mentioned in the BA faq, while sanguinary priests are.

DeathReaper wrote:So the SOS gives its cover to your opponents units as well?

Incorrect.

Look at the context. when they say 'all units' the BA Codex is referring to BA units.

I quoted it exactly in the other thread. It is the Rule As Written. There is no context. The rules is the rule. There were no dissenting opinions might I add. It is quite clear.

 WhiteDevil wrote:
There is no context.

This makes no sense.

I have read the rule, and the rule is contained with the BA Codex.

The rule is clearly talking about any unit (In the BA codex).

The rule is quite clear if you do not ignore the context.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 WhiteDevil wrote:
There is no context.

This makes no sense.

I have read the rule, and the rule is contained with the BA Codex.

The rule is clearly talking about any unit (In the BA codex).

The rule is quite clear if you do not ignore the context.

The rule says any unit.
There is no context, even though you insist there is. You cant just make up context for a rule whenever you want to deathreaper.
This is is clear cut. So yes, i guess the powers would stack. Odd though.

Any unit, means any BA unit.

The BA Codex is clearly referring to BA units when it writes "any unit."

 DeathReaper wrote:
Any unit, means any BA unit.

The BA Codex is clearly referring to BA units when it writes "any unit."

I still disagree with your reasoning. Especially from a RAW perspective. Any is any after all.

However I do like your "least favorable" terminology you use sometimes to express that it's a bit beardy.

"any" means "any". Which is why they had to FAQ that you dont get the benefit of enemy wargear unless explicitly stated - for KFF, telepotr homers and the like

 WhiteDevil wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 WhiteDevil wrote:
Sorry got it backwards, that's what I get for posting when I wake up. Edited.

And read the linked post please. SoS grants the 5+ to ALL UNITS. It also does not target. That they are not battle Bros is irrelevant. Sanctuary however only applies to friendly units.

So basically SoS grants 5+ to all units, GK units benefit from Sanctuary as well, for a 4+.

Ya man that's wrong because the FAQ changed the wording. Otherwise sanguinary priests would be giving your GKs FnP & FC too

Sorry dude SoS is not mentioned in the BA faq, while sanguinary priests are.

DeathReaper wrote:So the SOS gives its cover to your opponents units as well?

Incorrect.

Look at the context. when they say 'all units' the BA Codex is referring to BA units.

I quoted it exactly in the other thread. It is the Rule As Written. There is no context. The rules is the rule. There were no dissenting opinions might I add. It is quite clear.

Unless I am mistaken the FAQ directed that any reference to effects that can affect any unit instead affect units from Codex: Blood Angels. It should have been right at the front of the FAQ

warpspider89 wrote:
Unless I am mistaken the FAQ directed that any reference to effects that can affect any unit instead affect units from Codex: Blood Angels. It should have been right at the front of the FAQ

Sorry, but you are mistaken. There is no such blanket statement. The BA faq, individually picks out things like the blood chalice and corbulo's grail to effect only fiendly units. Please read it for yourself.

@ DeathReaper: Any unit means any unit dude. You cannot add anything to the rule as it is written.

@All: The purpose of this thread is to see if anyone can tell me why the powers wouldn't stack. SoS clearly effects GK units. The other thread was for that purpose.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 WhiteDevil wrote:
There is no context.

This makes no sense.

I have read the rule, and the rule is contained with the BA Codex.

The rule is clearly talking about any unit (In the BA codex).

The rule is quite clear if you do not ignore the context.

I agree with this - it makes absolutely no sense an enemy unit would gain a save.

Except for the fact that that's what the rule says you mean?

'It makes no sense to you' has no rule basis to back up that opinion. The rule is clear.

 WhiteDevil wrote:
Except for the fact that that's what the rule says you mean?

'It makes no sense to you' has no rule basis to back up that opinion. The rule is clear.

Agreed. Opinions have no bearing on the rules as written. Thats called rules as intended, in case you didn't know. Some people seem to confuse this.....

The FAQ states that vehicles gain a cover save from SoS. Now go back and read the rules for the psychic power in the codex. Does it state that this psychic power affects any unit - friend or foe? The FAQ simply tells us it affects vehicles to address whether or not it affects both infantry and vehicles. Thus the FAQ does not override if it only affects Blood Angels units.

As written it presently does work on any unit in range. There's no blanket ruling stating that psychic powers only work on units from your own codex. On the contrary, the current FAQs make a point of spelling out which powers and abilities affect just units from your own codex.

The Allies rules do also state that Allies of Convenience count as enemy units, which stops a lot of other powers from working on them, but Shield of Sanguinius doesn't state that it applies only to friendly units, nor does it target anyone.

Page 112 wrote:Units in your army treat Allies of Convenience as enemy units that cannot be charged, shot, targeted with psychic powers or have templates or blast markers placed over them. However, if a psychic power, scattering Blast weapon or other ability that affects an area hits some of these Allies of Convenience, they will be affected along with any friendly or enemy units.

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