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I'm getting confused (and somewhat irritated as a result) as to which of these two factions have superior technology. So let's finish the arguments here.

The Necrontyr have always had the superior technology. They have taken a bit of a hit in this department in regards to their mode of FTL travel in the latest codex. They used to be able to travel at trans-Warp speeds without using the Warp. Now they seem to be stuck either on sub-Warp travel or hijacking parts of the Webway.

The Necrons.

 Sasori wrote:
The Necrons.

Eldar are the "pimp thy tech with magic" race, like elves always are.

 1hadhq wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
The Necrons.

Eldar are the "pimp thy tech with magic" race, like elves always are.

They do have some odd proto-necron type creations however.

The wraithguard could be comparable to Immortals, with their weaponry being far superior to tesla/gauss. Even if the chassis is far less advanced.

Newcrons, they have machine that can blast stars into bits by smashing a lighblub and can travel trough time.

Definitely Necrons.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
Newcrons, they have machine that can blast stars into bits by smashing a lighblub and can travel trough time.

Path of the Seer says it's possible for the Eldar to change past events, and they can destroy stars easily too.

 Polvilhovoador wrote:

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
Newcrons, they have machine that can blast stars into bits by smashing a lighblub and can travel trough time.

Path of the Seer says it's possible for the Eldar to change past events, and they can destroy stars easily too.

Never heard about Eldar owning a time machine, nor having a machine that can make every star in the galaxy go supernova in several seconds.

Necrons are the techonlogically most advanced race in the entire universe.

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The Necrons can destroy any star In the galaxy with a push of a button.

The Necrons are directly stated to have had superior technology to Old Ones.

A single Doomsday Arc has enough energy inside to, when released all at once, completely atomise the planet it is on.

Eldar change past events with psychic powers, Necrons did it with Iori Delta Tove, and on a star system+ scale.

The Necrons have the most advanced technology in the galaxy, bar none, lol.

Probably Necrons. As mentioned, Eldar have to compensate for the fact that they're never going to be as cool as the Old Ones were by means of psyker magicks.

Now, whether the post-C'tan Necrons or the pre-wipeout Old Ones were more technologically sophisticated, that is the REAL question we could probably debate on for.

I suppose that depends on what you consider superior technology. The Eldar existed in storyline for 40k first. And they were considered the race with the superior technology. It was easy to see. Then all of a sudden GW decided to make the Necrons. Now apparently the Necrons have technology that is supposedly superior to anything even the Old Ones had.

Some people tout that the Necrons can travel through time, yet the Eldar can do the same. Some people tout that the Necrons have immortals technology, but Eldar Wraithguard are similar. Some claim that the Necrons can destroy any star in the galaxy with the push of a button, yet the Eldar could do the same with a single thought.

Personally I think the Eldar and the Necrons are so close in their tech levels that it is impossible to decide who really does have the best technology.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Some people tout that the Necrons can travel through time, yet the Eldar can do the same.

Farseers can manage this, with their psychic powers.

Some people tout that the Necrons have immortals technology, but Eldar Wraithguard are similar.

There are millions more Necrons than there are Wraithguard or lords, and while a Necron losing its body just means the "consciousness" has to be put in a new shell of Living Metal, when a Wraithguard or lord dies, it is gone forever.

Some claim that the Necrons can destroy any star in the galaxy with the push of a button, yet the Eldar could do the same with a single thought.

Source?

 Void__Dragon wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Some claim that the Necrons can destroy any star in the galaxy with the push of a button, yet the Eldar could do the same with a single thought.

Source?

He probably took this quote from Farseer Mirehn Bielann too much seriously:

"The stars themselves once lived and died at our command, yet you still dare to oppose our will."

There may be more Necron Immortals now, but since Wraithguard bodies are grown from the psychoplastic known as Wraithbone, they can make more. And if the tech is destroyed for the Necrons to come back then they die as well. In the case of the Eldar, it just happens to be easier to get to the Wraithbone of Wraithseers as they put them straight into the battle. With Necrons, they keep their tech on board their ships.

So in effect, the Necrons die just like the Eldar do, you just have to target the ship (which would kill all of the guys bound for resurrection at the same time) instead of the individual Wraithguard.

And there are pathways that lead through time in the Webway. Eldar Harlequins know the way to travel them so Farseers are not the only ones that can do this. An entire Craftworld could if being led by a Harlequin.

My source for Eldar destroying suns? Simple. The 4th Edition Eldar codex, the 5th Edition Dark Eldar codex, and the 6th Edition Rulebook.

4th edition Eldar codex page 3, the end of the first paragraph.

"These are the Eldar, a race that is all but extinct. The last remnants of a people whose mere dreams once overturned worlds and quenched suns.

4th Edition Eldar codex page 10, in a quote box

" The stars themselves once lived and died at our command, yet you still dare to oppose our will"
Farseer Mirehn Bielann

5th Edition Dark Eldar codex page 6

"The ancient Eldar had perfected their science to such an extent that they could reforge planets to their liking and quench stars at a whim."

5th Edition Dark Eldar codex page 62

"The Kabal's wild claims that they retain the ability to extinguish stars are infamous, though their rivals have never quite managed to explain the deterioration of the sun Echillos during the Aleuthan Persecution."

6th edition rulebook page 172

"A strange swirling phenomenon in the Argos system is only a curiosity until the appearance of six Eldar craftworlds. By the time the Imperial Fleet arrives, both the swirling mass and the Eldar are gone, yet in their passing all prime suns within sixty light years are extinguished. "

Still not as awesome as Celestial Orrery.

How do you figure? They could have killed every single star in the entire galaxy on a whim...how is that not as bad ass as the Celestial Orrery?

Because Celestial Orrery cause the stars to go supernova while Eldar machine just silent them. It's better because it ends the galaxy with a bang, and you know what Mythbusters said - "it's always better to finish it with a bang."

Necrons and Eldar use different technological systems. While the Necron have superior understanding of the physical systems, the Eldar have superior understanding of the warp and its applications.

When the Eldar empire was at its height, they were able to force the Necrons into hiding, but if you compare stellar engineering both are about equal.

Im pretty sure that when a necrons body is destroyed then it goes to the closest tomb world to be repaired. In effect they cant be destroyed. Unlike wraith kind who lose their souls after their bodies are destroyed.

Eldar have destroyed tomb worlds before and killed every last Necron in them.

People are mistaken about Wraithguard and Wraithlords. They don't die just because you destroy the body's ability to fight in battle. They are just like an Eldar suit of Armour. They have a Waystone just like the Aspects do. You have to destroy the Waystone, not the Wraithguard or Wraithlord body to kill the Eldar soul. Otherwise they are just taken back to the craftworld and put into a new body.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Eldar have destroyed tomb worlds before and killed every last Necron in them.

The argument isn't about who could beat who. It's about who has better technology.

The point is, people have said that the necrons cannot be destroyed. That is wrong, they can, you just have to target the tomb world. In the case of the Eldar you target the Waystone. Either way the effect is the same. Without destroying the repository of the soul, neither one can be destroyed and are for all effects and purposes immortal. Therefore, the tech is similar.

Necron seem a lot less happy about their "immortality" than eldar.
Eldar are a dying race.
Necrons are a dead race.

See how dying is slightly better than dead, I'll say eldar tech is better.

Whichever one has the more recently-published Codex.

Necrons are a legion of robots with the technology to destroy planets without even the push of the button, with the mere wave of a hand, and the eldar...Have fancy guns. If we take this question literally, definitely necrons as most of the Eldar's tech is technically just magic goodness.

Is BFG fluff still valid? If it is, then the inertia-less drive definitely has the Eldar biting the dust even with their vaunted solar sails. Not to mention their disdain for 'crude' shielding in favor of elegant holo-fields makes them vulnerable against lightning arcs, gauss particle whips, and portals.

The BFG rules clearly favored the Necrons however there are some caveats:

The Necron drives gave better sheer straight line speed, but the Eldar still retained the edge in their maneuverability as they could turn on the spot versus the Necrons which still had a turning radius.

Particle whips only ignored holofields on a 1/6. Otherwise they functioned just like lances, meaning the Eldar holofields gave a 2+ save.

Portals gave Necrons greater ability in teleporting hit and run attacks, but these are targeted attacks, meaning Eldar holofields gave a 2+ save.

Eldar holofields gave a 2+ save vs. everything except weapon batteries (or equivalents) and area of effect/environmental damage like asteroid impacts or blast marker damage.