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 CptJake wrote:

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Also... no UZI? No RPG? Three grenade launchers and no UZI or RPG?

Assuming these are for western nation citizens, I'm not sure where one could get a stash of RPGs

Could be wrong though

Uzis are not as popular as they once were either. I'm not sure why they would include them.

Uzis are still an iconic weapon for criminals, baddies, or other people that shoot people.

I haven't seen a recent movie where an Uzi was used.... Iconic from the '80s? Yep. Now? Not so much.

 CptJake wrote:

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Also... no UZI? No RPG? Three grenade launchers and no UZI or RPG?

Assuming these are for western nation citizens, I'm not sure where one could get a stash of RPGs

Could be wrong though

Uzis are not as popular as they once were either. I'm not sure why they would include them.

Because Punisher
Because Terminator
Because AWESOME!

As for the RPGs, I assume they're on the shelf next to the grenade launchers


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Could always say that the "normal" looking people are a deputized militia. Would work well in most situations. Cops see the town is going to hell in a handbasket, tells everyone he can trust in the town to meet up at the Sheriff's office. Congrats, you are now all honorary deputies!

You could also use the "normal" people as gang members, rioters, or even honest citizens defending their homes from whatever situation you're running your game in.

I want to do some generic moderns with this box. Cops, a VIP, bodyguards/secret service/mob, and crooks. So if/when I get to it I'll probably be trading or bitz buying more suits and uniforms and fewer fat guys in tank tops.

 kenshin620 wrote:
Hmm MM just got them. Quite fast I must say

http://www.miniaturemarket.com/wgfdf003.html

Figures MM gets them the day after I order them from WGF....

Uzi's suck.

They'd be good for some gang banger or some starter when you can't find something worth it. Then dump it as soon as something better cames along.

It's that little spray and pray thing, and dumping over 20+ rounds as fast as you sneeze without some good hits. Good if you know what your doing, but absolutly suck for just anybody.

And zombie killing? ... single shot, maybe.... and up on 10 or 20 ft in a room or something.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

As for the RPGs, I assume they're on the shelf next to the grenade launchers

Hmm do SWAT use GLs? I'm not really big on weaponry

Theres also the local army base, though once again I dont know what they stock there.

I figure the logic is cops might have GLs since they use them for tear gas during riots. It's probably the heaviest weapon one can find outside an army base.

As I understand it RPGs are Soviet weapons so were never used by US or NATO forces. We'd have LAW rockets.

But honestly, once you throw in cricket bats and chainsaws it's a little late to argue realism.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Uzi's suck.

They'd be good for some gang banger or some starter when you can't find something worth it. Then dump it as soon as something better cames along.

It's that little spray and pray thing, and dumping over 20+ rounds as fast as you sneeze without some good hits. Good if you know what your doing, but absolutly suck for just anybody.

And zombie killing? ... single shot, maybe.... and up on 10 or 20 ft in a room or something.

You realize that was the main weapon the secret service carried for almost a DECADE right?

It was one of the best SMG designs of it's time and it's still a highly capable weapon. The only reason it's not as popular now is probably due to its weight and the fact that you can't put rails on every square inch of the weapon like modern SMG's. Well, that, and it's in 9mm...

As for why it's not in the set, they just don't see common use anymore over here. It'd be like seeing somebody in this set running around with an FAL or something.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Uzi's suck.

They'd be good for some gang banger or some starter when you can't find something worth it. Then dump it as soon as something better cames along.

It's that little spray and pray thing, and dumping over 20+ rounds as fast as you sneeze without some good hits.

You might be thinking of the MAC-10, not the Uzi.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Somebody should do an open box review of them here soon. I look forward to seeing what these guys look like "in the real world" outside of professional photographs.

Tends to give you a more realistic idea of what the figures will be like...

I'm also waiting for that. It's an odd set because the bodies are so different in clothing and even in size so it looks like not all arms can go with all bodies. Also the sample pics don't seem to have any shoulder seams, I'd love to see how they did that with some of the action poses and if an ordinary modeller can do as well. And some are very specific, I can see me using one priest, but three? I think they were thinking more along the lines of them all being the same character but with different gear.

I'm the person that built and painted the figures shown with tabletop scenery in WGFs Facebook album and on their webstore. The arms fit the bodies very well- I used almost no filler. When I did it was all melted sprue with a little liquid styrene cement to smooth out the join. Not a challenge at all. Liquid greenstuff would do the trick too, but I really don't think its needed much on these figures. As you noticed some arms aren't going to fit certain bodies. I'm not sure if you've built other WGF boxes (like the orcs)... these are light years ahead in craftsmanship. I built the survivors as 'stock' as possible, as WGF requested, so that people buying them wouldn't get a surprise. I'm kind of eager to do some serious conversions just to see how difficult it would be to match arms with bodies they don't go with. Each torso/leg set has two or three optimum arm configurations. For example, mister 'swinging cricket bat' can have a cricket bat or baseball bat. It would be pretty easy to give him a katana from the samural sets too. I think this set will be far more versatile than the Zombie Vixens, which was a pretty cool set in my opinion.

There's actually not a priest in the box, at least not a guy with a standard 'priests' collar, I only painted it that way to show different ways to approach the 'suit' body. There's only two Bibles on the accessory sprue... so if you make three priests, one is going without the 'good book'. I really think these figures are pretty versatile... my friend is making one guy into a milkman.

There are some things I'd liked to have seen in the set. One thing I could say negative is that WGF tends to create an object and clone it multiple times when a little variety would go a long way. For example, a pouch will have four more just like it instead of tweaking it a little to make it unique, no reason at least one of the AR15s couldn't have a scope, etc.

All in all I think people will be happy with this set. Nothing quite like it out there and WGF has come a long way.

Thanks for the inside info.

I have a ton of the greatcoats and yeah, this kit already looks better. I remember the long fights on theWGF message boards about this set its nice to see the fun stuff like the chainsaw won out over dull realism.

WGF is lightyears ahead of where they were with the Greatcoats.

I've tried their WWII Germans and Americans in 28mm and they're pretty surprising. You get what you paid for, but the detail is still good, and if you're a decent painter you can make them look really good.

They're still lower quality figures, but they're catching up fast and I've never felt like I've been screwed since they always offer so much quantity for the money.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Thanks for the inside info.

I have a ton of the greatcoats and yeah, this kit already looks better. I remember the long fights on theWGF message boards about this set its nice to see the fun stuff like the chainsaw won out over dull realism.

Alot of thows fights came from the fact the orginal description promised both milita fighters and zombie survivors. People looking for milita weren't looking for zombie hunters and vice versa. It had nothing to do with "dull realism" lol.That orginal poll should of been closed and two new ones started ages ago. Its sorta what happened with the greatcoats. In trying to please everyone, no one ended up happy.

Well i would of rather seen the milita, I'm happy to see the broke the concept up and learned from their mistake. It was the right call.

That old fourm of theirs was the biggest clusterfeth ever in retrospect.

The painted model photos look lovely. Thanks for the sort-of review Dr. Mathias! It's really heartening to see good sets come out from WGF - there's always been plenty of promise, but it looks like it's finally being delivered on.

Okay, UZI's are out, but the Walther MP is in? That's just silly.

Thank you, Dr Mathias, for the insight into the figures. Great job !! Those pictures of your work have sold those figures to anyone I've shown them to.

 Lockark wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Thanks for the inside info.

I have a ton of the greatcoats and yeah, this kit already looks better. I remember the long fights on theWGF message boards about this set its nice to see the fun stuff like the chainsaw won out over dull realism.

Alot of thows fights came from the fact the orginal description promised both milita fighters and zombie survivors. People looking for milita weren't looking for zombie hunters and vice versa. It had nothing to do with "dull realism" lol.That orginal poll should of been closed and two new ones started ages ago. Its sorta what happened with the greatcoats. In trying to please everyone, no one ended up happy.

Well i would of rather seen the milita, I'm happy to see the broke the concept up and learned from their mistake. It was the right call.

That old fourm of theirs was the biggest clusterfeth ever in retrospect.

The LAUL description, written by someone who doesn't work for Wargames Factory, and before the WGF regime change asked for a set that could work for both militia and zombie survivors, which, quite frankly, would never work because of the clothing

The set is being released as "Apocalyptic Survivors" in the "Dark Futures" line along side their zombie figures. t's not really a design by committee fail. They tailored the product to their existing product line.

With the Zombies being pop culture these days it seems a good decision.

Now mind you, I agree there is a vacuum waiting to be filled with plastic third world militia/freedom fighters/rebels/insurgents, but I honestly don't see that as big of a market right now, and Wargames Factory as of yet, doesn't have a modern forces line of models.

Along with the problem that comes from a design by committee route the OldWGF used, is that the generic "Post Apocalypse" label means something different to everyone. It could be gritty, like most of the Lead Adventure range, slightly goofy like Grenadier and EM4 Future Wars, or more like 'today' which WGF ended up doing.

I'm pretty happy with the set WGF released, and even though I have about 80 survivors from a variety of companies this set has some stuff that either is under represented or hasn't been done yet. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff I'd have done differently with the accessory sprue, but I can't think of any plastic set, by anyone, that did everything 'right'- although I'd nominate the Perry sets as being closest to 'perfect'. Heck, we have two companies that made plastic Zulus and British, and both did some odd things, and some good things, the other company didn't do.

We're kind of spoiled for choice in my opinion.

Thats the thing thow. At some point they should of steped in, instead they jus5 letted it fester and gave no guidence to the community. Half thows arguement were prety damn pointless in retrosepect. Lol

 Lockark wrote:
That's the thing though. At some point they should have stepped in, instead they just let it fester and gave no guidance to the community. Half those arguments were pretty damn pointless in retrospect. Lol

I dunno, I quite like all of the variety this set offers, every mini has its own unique look, great for roleplaying games...

 Commander Cain wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
That's the thing though. At some point they should have stepped in, instead they just let it fester and gave no guidance to the community. Half those arguments were pretty damn pointless in retrospect. Lol

I dunno, I quite like all of the variety this set offers, every mini has its own unique look, great for roleplaying games...

Sorry was talking about their old message board not the minis. The minis are fine. I have no use or need for them personly but thats not here or their.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
Uzi's suck.

They'd be good for some gang banger or some starter when you can't find something worth it. Then dump it as soon as something better cames along.

It's that little spray and pray thing, and dumping over 20+ rounds as fast as you sneeze without some good hits. Good if you know what your doing, but absolutly suck for just anybody.
And zombie killing? ... single shot, maybe.... and up on 10 or 20 ft in a room or something.

You realize that was the main weapon the secret service carried for almost a DECADE right?

It was one of the best SMG designs of it's time and it's still a highly capable weapon. The only reason it's not as popular now is probably due to its weight and the fact that you can't put rails on every square inch of the weapon like modern SMG's. Well, that, and it's in 9mm...

As for why it's not in the set, they just don't see common use anymore over here. It'd be like seeing somebody in this set running around with an FAL or something.

Any comparison shots of these guys alongside others?

They'll probably be very truescale. If you've ever seen their WWII miniatures, they look like they'll be close to that. They'll look slim compared to "heroic" scaled figures like you see in 40.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
I'm the person that built and painted the figures shown with tabletop scenery in WGFs Facebook album and on their webstore.

Did you also make the scenery? I would love to see a guide/tutorial on both the painting and the scenery!

 jmurph wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:
I'm the person that built and painted the figures shown with tabletop scenery in WGFs Facebook album and on their webstore.

Did you also make the scenery? I would love to see a guide/tutorial on both the painting and the scenery!

Yes, I made the scenery as well, a few years ago. I haven't been diligent enough to take WIP shots of things I made, until recently. I've been doing tree and foliage tutorials

I could probably take some close up of building details at some point. Most of my modern collection is actually 'Plasticville' model train sets. In the meantime this site (Combat Zone Chronicles) has a LOT of great ideas and tips for modern/near future terrain:

http://combatzonechronicles.net/table.htm

I plan to convert the kid to Carl soon, I'll do a WIP of that and let you know.

Oh, awesome! Combat Zone Chronicles is an awesome site and inspired alot of ideas for Plasticvile. Looking forward to Carl! Hopefully we will get a solid female survivor set and Lori, Andrea, etc. can be added in.

Got mine in today.

Have to say I was impressed with the interlocking frame design, and the sturdiness of the cardboard box.

The models look like they will be a good match for Zombicide. I'll update once I get a few assembled with a side by side comparison. .

Can't believe I haven't seen this thread before. I have to say that the look of the male survivors is fantastic and I can't wait to see what they do with the female survivors

If you're looking to buy these the War Store now has them for $18

http://www.thewarstore.com/product83263.html

So heres a picture I found on WGF Facebook page.
Shows some of the possiable builds from the kit, along with a side by side with a zombicide miniature to show scale.

If you want some more scale shots, I did a few with Heroclix, Hasslefree, Horrorclix, Copplestone, Wargames Foundry and Zombicide at my blog:

http://thecolorblindmodelpainter.blogspot.com/2013/05/wargames-factory-survivor-scale.html