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Interesting as Perry already has AWI redcoats and the colonial infantry/riflemen set get released like this week.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Yes we are, they even put this puzzle on the website:

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Image spoilered for those who'd enjoy a few minutes doing a good ol' puzzle.


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It is now feasible to do an old school astra militarum regiment with classic red coats.

oh yeah, you mean imperial guard

Whoa - just read that it's the first of SIX planned AWI kits! I already own a unit of Perry and some Fife and Drum minis so it looks like I'll be going big into AWI now *sigh*

AWI sounds awesome. I would love to see a good multi-part kit for woodlands Natives. As long as they actually have muskets... not just the typical bow and arrows.

There's actually not a lot of crossover between the Perry figures and the new WGF AWI, both in poses and uniform details. I think there's room for both (I actually have both Perry and WGF, and the new Perry Continentals pre-ordered). WGF got me looking at this period, whereas before I had zero interest in AWI.

As far as using them for IG proxies, they're similar to the survivors in sculpting style and proportion. I personally wouldn't use them with GW scale stuff, but I've seen people mashup some amazing things using GW, WGF, Perry, Victrix, etc. so I know it can be done.

Should be some more announcements coming soon.

I hope that like their other recent kits, the infantry come in a lot of interesting poses. I haven't gotten any of the Perry kits precisely because it looks like two thirds or your guys have to be assembled in the thrilling "walking with firearm on shoulder" pose, which doesn't really suit the weird French and Indian War and AWI gaming I'd like to do.

I'm a big fan of dynamic poses.

 Gallahad wrote:
I hope that like their other recent kits, the infantry come in a lot of interesting poses. I haven't gotten any of the Perry kits precisely because it looks like two thirds or your guys have to be assembled in the thrilling "walking with firearm on shoulder" pose, which doesn't really suit the weird French and Indian War and AWI gaming I'd like to do.

I'm a big fan of dynamic poses.

I've been scratching my head over the Perry Continentals. 'Marching' and 'casually marching'? Both in the same set? Why?

At least the Perry British have advancing and marching. I dislike marching poses for just about anything really...

I'm probably not allowed to say what is exactly in the AWI sets at this point but there is a variety.

I like the Perry marching poses quite a bit actually. Here's a work in progress from a "quick paint" on a unit, still need to add a few details and the flag.

Very nice. What rule set are you going to use?

 CptJake wrote:
Very nice. What rule set are you going to use?

We're using Black Powder. Mainly my buddy is doing AWI so I was helping him out (we both did the Fife & Drum kickstarter too) by getting a couple units done. So the vast majority of all of the units are Perry plastics and metals, and tons of Fife & Drum metal truescale figures.

Painted samples posted! MSRP 73 cents each? SOLD

Those already look much better to me than their Perry counterparts.

Those look great. Love the different poses.

Using the same heads that they use for almost every one of their 28mm male boxes I see.

 Dr Mathias wrote:
As far as using them for IG proxies, they're similar to the survivors in sculpting style and proportion. I personally wouldn't use them with GW scale stuff, but I've seen people mashup some amazing things using GW, WGF, Perry, Victrix, etc. so I know it can be done.

Perry and WGF stuff really looks off with GW parts. However, the lasrifles from Victoria miniatues are much slimmer and look fine on true-scale 28mm figs.

Some folks have found that the old slim RT-era plastic lasrifles look good on historical figs, but they can be hard to come by. The Victoria rifles are readily available and work just as well. Here you can see the two compared, albeit on squats rather than 28mm historicals. Victoria on the left, RT era GW on the right

I much prefer the realistic proportions of these historical figures to cartoony GW & PP figures.

I've been contemplating starting up an "imagi-nation" project where you take 18th century era miniatures and paint them up in whatever scheme you want as a new quasi-European or colonial power. Half the fun is making up details for the fake nation and the other half is fighting fake wars with other fake nations.

This is the new ruleset tied into the Wargames Factory releases

http://www.amazon.com/Land-Free-Wargames-America-1754-1815/dp/1472801121/ref=pd_sim_b_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=0GFCG25SQYNEGT2Q2B9Y

Published by Osprey! Written by Joe Krone:
"Joe Krone is an avid historical enthusiast and brought his passion to the wargaming industry early in his career. He worked for Games Workshop as a promotions and marketing manager for over six years and spent five years managing events for Battlefront Miniatures. His experiences in both the science-fiction/fantasy and historical markets have given him a broad understanding of tabletop wargaming and its mechanics. Joe has written several articles for White Dwarf and Wargames Illustrated, and contributed to the Flames of War 3rd edition rulebook."

when asked about the size of the games:
"Well, not to sound cryptic but the size of the game is up to the players. During our playtesting we used quite a bit of mixed sized units but the standard base size we used was 6 miniatures per base. So our units ranged anywhere from 6 - 30 miniatures depending on the organization of our force. If you played with 30 man regiments you could have about 5-6 regiments per side in a 2 hour game. The minimum is 4 based on how the force organizations function if that helps but keep in mind that the 4 units could be smaller than 30 man 'regiments'. "

Additionally, WGF has now said that if the line proves popular there will be more than six kits.

They are committed to historical accuracy:
"These figures are indeed represented wearing the Royal Clothing Warrant Uniform of 1768. What you have to understand is that the Warrant itself did not prescribe the exact clothing, per se, but rather how that clothing was to look. See http://www.fifedrum.org/crfd/1768.htm as a starting point. The trousers, for example, changed during the war for some units. Quite a few adopted the Colonial "Overalls" at some point after their trouser wore out and had to source locally. I've visited enough museums and spoken to at least half-a-dozen historians and curators and seen first hand surviving examples of these uniforms to know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that what we've represented are accurate. The British can be used throughout the war as the RCW 1768 was not superceded until after the Revolution."

"since the majority of the battles were fought with 2 ranks these figures work quite well for that. If you do 2 firing lines and 1 reloading line (3-ranks) it can also be done but requires the builder to pay attention to where he places each figure on its base and remember what rank the figure is in. But almost every encounter in the Revolution involving regulars was fought in 2-ranks so having 3 makes them less historically accurate."

Are there any kneeling poses in the set?
"Not in the British set. That would not have been historically accurate. We didn't do these figures with Imagi-Nations in mind; those playing Imagi-Nations will have to adapt our figures to fit their style of play.

And, another preview coming this Friday.

 Dr Mathias wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I hope that like their other recent kits, the infantry come in a lot of interesting poses. I haven't gotten any of the Perry kits precisely because it looks like two thirds or your guys have to be assembled in the thrilling "walking with firearm on shoulder" pose, which doesn't really suit the weird French and Indian War and AWI gaming I'd like to do.

I'm a big fan of dynamic poses.

I've been scratching my head over the Perry Continentals. 'Marching' and 'casually marching'? Both in the same set? Why?

At least the Perry British have advancing and marching. I dislike marching poses for just about anything really...

I'm probably not allowed to say what is exactly in the AWI sets at this point but there is a variety.

The reason is because march attack is not only popular with historical wargamers for ease of putting the models together, but was widely prevalent in warfare at the time. Combat actions take a day or two, marching takes weeks. plus there is marching across the battlefield.

I'm pretty sure dysentery killed more soldiers than griffons, too. Can we model for that?

The answer to "they have boring poses. I don't like boring poses in my escape from boring life" is not "But boring is more accurate. Most of the game should be boring."

It actually looks like the Perry and WGF miniatures might be pretty compatible. I'll be interested in seeing both in person. If they end up being appropriately scaled for head swaps and the using of accessory parts from each kit with the other.

 lord marcus wrote:

 Dr Mathias wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I hope that like their other recent kits, the infantry come in a lot of interesting poses. I haven't gotten any of the Perry kits precisely because it looks like two thirds or your guys have to be assembled in the thrilling "walking with firearm on shoulder" pose, which doesn't really suit the weird French and Indian War and AWI gaming I'd like to do.

I'm a big fan of dynamic poses.

I've been scratching my head over the Perry Continentals. 'Marching' and 'casually marching'? Both in the same set? Why?

At least the Perry British have advancing and marching. I dislike marching poses for just about anything really...

I'm probably not allowed to say what is exactly in the AWI sets at this point but there is a variety.

The reason is because march attack is not only popular with historical wargamers for ease of putting the models together, but was widely prevalent in warfare at the time. Combat actions take a day or two, marching takes weeks. plus there is marching across the battlefield.

I do have very fond memories of my gaming club's two week game of "March Across New Jersey and Part of Pennsylvania."

"Agh, I rolled a six!"
"Light rain for the next two hours! Roll on your grumblage chart to see if a new recruit makes a snide remark about the weather."
"I love this game. I have a new strategy I am going to try out when I attempt to set up camp tomorrow."
"Great, I've modeled some pit latrines using only sand, glue, insulation foam, and bits from the GW Taurox kit."

Lord Marcus has the right of it. Historicals usually rely more on ranked up, formationed models, not the super dynamic ones seen in most SF skirmish games. Just one of those things; historical gamers find ranks upon ranks of properly period armies exciting.

Sorry, I was never questioning why manufacturers make marching poses.

I was questioning why Perry did two varieties of marching poses in one kit. It's odd. The British kit has marching and advancing. The Americans are marching and casually marching. Why not a corresponding advancing option?

On topic, I think people will be happy with the militia. There's a nice variety of clothing, equipment, and poses.

Oh, I gotcha. Carry on

I'm trying to understand here. Are you the new official painter of Wargames Factory stuff, Dr Matthias?

Dwartist just got the Keilerkopf, so Mark can still choose who he wants?

I'm confOOsed!

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I'm trying to understand here. Are you the new official painter of Wargames Factory stuff, Dr Matthias?

Dwartist just got the Keilerkopf, so Mark can still choose who he wants?

I'm confOOsed!

Not sure about 'official'- I just get a contract on a kit by kit basis. Dreamforge is a separate company, so he's sending advance kits to who he wants to. WGF will probably (not for sure though) have me paint the wave 3 Dreamforge stuff when it comes out for their convention display and website. I think the AWI is on their priority list though, so I'm not sure. All I know now is that I have a bunch of half finished Brits and Continentals on my desk

If I was coming out with a new armored vehicle, I'd want Dwartist to paint one for me too

I can't wait to see the colonial militia kit! You've got me very excited about them Dr. Mathias.