Beyond The Gates of Antares - Official Kickstarter Thread

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**Baragash**

Wait.... so we have a campaign that needs more new backers... and the new announcement is to.... give them the finger by saying "join us, but all this stuff over here.... yeah you can't have it"

**Melcavuk**

New backers will receive the benefits too.

This system gives EVERY backer more rewards, not just the ones in the clubs. We realise that there are many potential backers in clubs around the world so we wanted to build something that would get them more interested and give everyone benefits if they do. you don't actually have to be part of a club to take part, just assign yourself to one and your points count towards the total and it's the total that drives the rewards. Hope that helps!

**cincydooley**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
The pose of the helmeted females is a bit over the top though, don't you think?

Don't get me wrong - I love the models in the set too!

Because she's sticking her bottom out a little bit? Yeah, I guess I can see that, but I honestly didn't even notice until you mentioned it. I think it was an easy way to distinguish the model as female, as that's clearly not a male stance.

Really?

You didn't notice?

That's why this issue is such a problem. Because the stance is only silly when we make men do it.

Well....

When you put it that way.....

But I have to ask...in this picture is ScarJo really pushing her butt out? I dont htink she is. I think she's just curvy.. I mean, her torso is pretty vertical....

But, that being said....point very well taken.

**Buzzsaw**

Melcavuk wrote:
New backers will receive the benefits too.

This system gives EVERY backer more rewards, not just the ones in the clubs. We realise that there are many potential backers in clubs around the world so we wanted to build something that would get them more interested and give everyone benefits if they do. you don't actually have to be part of a club to take part, just assign yourself to one and your points count towards the total and it's the total that drives the rewards. Hope that helps!

In fairness, it was my initial assumption that early backers received a bonus as well. In retrospect, "It's a simple system that tracks backers and gives points based on pledge amount + a bonus for when you backed us(the earlier the bigger the bonus!)" is simply opaque. The bonus is based on the backer, but goes into the system through a club, to be distributed to the whole, when the goals are reached. It's so simple and straightforward!*

*For the sarcasm impaired, it is neither simple nor straightforward.

**Melcavuk**

Oh I get that its convoluted, I think the basic summary is:

Everyone benefits,
The earlier and more you pledge the more "backer points" you contribute
When each "total" is reached in backer points every single backer gains a reward.

So the more people that join up faster, the higher the potential backer points get, and thus everyone gets a little bit more.

**tvih**

Unnecessarily unclear system, really. Maximum club points would mean 70 more credits and 10 wardrones for everyone in the club? Hrm.

**Rolt**

Seems like one of the main points of this system is to create some early MMO style "Guilds", obliviously their using this to start up/gauge interest to the online aspect of this game. It does seem a little weird to do this now, your basically pledging your allegiance to the games factions (and game system itself) while baring knowing anything about them, bit of a blind leap of faith. Of course I could be wrong, so take that idea with a grain of salt.

I'm sure there will be a way of changing this later so it won't be a big issue, just a very odd decesion to make at this stage in the project.

**Melcavuk**

I work it out as an additional 60 credits to feeder boxes, 40 to dark energy boxes, an alternate Hansa model and a Boromite diarama if the maximum goal is reached

**02Laney**

Just a way to add some extra value to the game, without admitting fault. I don't care how they do it, if it adds backers and people see that the result is a better deal all round. Hopefully, they've seen errors in the Through the Breach kickstarter and are moving to fix the other perceived issues nice and fast (still time!)

**Compel**

I think its a neat enough idea, though I guess I should check with the club first before I put us down for it.

**Alpharius**

So far, it doesn't seem to be resonating.

**AlexHolker**

The first stretch goal kicks in at 50,000 pounds-equivalent. What are they planning to do if they don't reach the 300,000 pound goal?

**Rolt**

AlexHolker wrote:
The first stretch goal kicks in at 50,000 pounds-equivalent. What are they planning to do if they don't reach the 300,000 pound goal?

They haven't really mentioned anything yet, I would imagine they will continue the developmeant of the project for a few months (say 6-8) and create a new kickstarter with that content. Regardless of exact plans, I doubt Rick & Co will let this project fall into vaporware.

**Melcavuk**

Anyone want some boromites?

**Rolt**

The guns are cool, the Boromite himselve kinda looks like the Thing with down's syndrome, but at least its not a space dwarf.

On to the next update we go.

**Compel**

I was reminded of the Roks from FTL

**Dentry**

Looked like Trandoshans to me.

Buzzsaw wrote:
It's... it's uncanny.

This campaign is following the example of the Through the Breach campaign so closely it's... it is too close to be a coincidence.

My first thought when I read that, too. It's more painful this time 'round.

**Rolt**

Now that I think of it I wonder if the destroyed robot hes standing on is a Wardrone of some type?

**cerealkiller195**

Nice to see tunnel creatures/miners that are not space dwarves. I its a nice hanger of page not too sure if I would of gone all rock type skin but I do like the head as something pretty different.

I was thinking about Playing the boromites so im looking forward to some more work in progress shots

**Commander Cain**

Rolt wrote:
The guns are cool, the Boromite himselve kinda looks like the Thing with down's syndrome, but at least its not a space dwarf.

On to the next update we go.

Darn it, I wanted to be the first to say it looked like the Thing!

Cool idea though, nice to see that we are finally seeing some progress after all this waiting.

**Theophony**

Commander Cain wrote:
Rolt wrote:
The guns are cool, the Boromite himselve kinda looks like the Thing with down's syndrome, but at least its not a space dwarf.

On to the next update we go.

Darn it, I wanted to be the first to say it looked like the Thing!

Cool idea though, nice to see that we are finally seeing some progress after all this waiting.

Now if they had started with some of these concepts instead of wasting half the kickstarter then maybe it would have been funded by now. I for one am not going to back this. I like kev's work and rik's systems, but the fact that it took 30 days just to get a rough concept out of them has left a bitter taste.

I know from reading posts here and other forums that others are frustrated too. I hope the game comes out and is a big success, and everyone enjoys it. But I just can't get excited over what I have seen so far.

Ymmv.

**recruittons**

Wow! Today hasn't been too bad and there is still 6 1/2 hours left in the kicktraq day. And this isn't the current total. It's about 200 short of the current. Although still a far cry from what is needed daily, at least it's not almost zero

Methinks the boromites (and possibly the promise of extra credits) might have generated some interest.

**cincydooley**

Anyone else thing that boromite looks like Thing mixed with a Star Trek Ferengi?

**Rolt**

Don't know if anyone else noticed this on the kickstarter, updated info about the Global Club:

Hey everyone!

We had LOADS of feedback on the Global Club Stretch Goals and have refined the wording and added a new club called "The Ronin" for those of you that aren't attached to club but still want to get involved and help to hit the goals to get more goodies! I should stress again that these rewards benefit EVERY backer, not just backers in clubs. The good news is that we've gone over 325,000 global points already (with only 120 backers currently playing) and if another 30-50 of you get involved tonight, we could hit the first stretch goal! check it out here

We still have a software bug which we're trying desperately to fix where the club you selected is registered as the club below in the list - but I have it on good advice that this will be fixed this evening! (it doesn't affect the total) We'll also be adding the Grand Total global points which should make it a little easier to see how far we've got to go to hit the next stretch goal. Phew.

The KS is up to £99,014 with 28days left, we could get lucky.

**Commander Cain**

cincydooley wrote:Anyone else thing that boromite looks like Thing mixed with a Star Trek Ferengi?

Commander Cain wrote:
Rolt wrote:
The guns are cool, the Boromite himselve kinda looks like the Thing with down's syndrome, but at least its not a space dwarf.

On to the next update we go.

Darn it, I wanted to be the first to say it looked like the Thing!

Cool idea though, nice to see that we are finally seeing some progress after all this waiting.

Yes. Yes we did!

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I am also not sure what to make of the "stretch goals" on one hand it seems stupid that they have them despite not even being a third of the way to their minimum goal but it is also nice in that they obviously realize that even if they do successfully fund, it will probably be by the skin of their teeth!

**Dentry**

Commander Cain wrote:
I am also not sure what to make of the "stretch goals" on one hand it seems stupid that they have them despite not even being a third of the way to their minimum goal but it is also nice in that they obviously realize that even if they do successfully fund, it will probably be by the skin of their teeth!

Stretch goals are good at generating excitement for kickstarters. They also serve as good talking points for the community, helping spread the word and make it more visible to the uninformed. DSC may be trying to increase 'revenue' by building excitement with pseudo stretch goals; if these goals are met it will also generate an illusion of progress and increase perceived value of the pledge levels, things which could then cause more people to go in as backers.

**Commander Cain**

Oh I am all for the stretches, makes the long push to $300kk seem a bit less dull, it just seems to warp the idea of a "stretch" that's all!

**Compel**

I'm getting more and more into this kickstarter as time goes on, to be honest. I can't help but think the way my opinion is forming is a good way for us 'grassroots' folk to advertise the kickstarter.

My opinion pretty much can be summed up as, "I'm fed up now of Games Workshop screwing me around, so it's time to put my money where my mouth is."

Admittedly, that's not something that Rick and DSC can really advertise as an official selling point of the game but still...

I mean, come on, £3 for a plastic model, crazy expensive big kits, terrible 40k flyer rules. It's no good just whinging about it, try to do something about it, like support Gates of Antares more.

Well, in any case, that's my spin on why I've put my money down.

**cincydooley**

Post text removed by yakface.

Not polite enough text apparently.

I disagree with the artificial stretch goals methodology being added to the KS now.

I believe this "grassroots" method is a last ditch effort to make up for a poorly planned and thusfar poorly executed KS.

I believe the Hansa miniature is "okay" but is inferior to sculpts in a game like infinity.

I look forward to seeing the completed wardrone and learning what type of kit it will be.

**yakface**

Look folks. Posting polite constructive criticism is perfectly fine. If you don't like the project or how the kickstarter is being run, then explaining why you feel this way is absolutely fine to do in this thread.

However, your criticism needs to be polite and it needs to be constructive. If you cannot manage to abide by those two basic principles, then please refrain from posting in this thread (and on Dakka in general).

Finally, if you've already expressed your opinion on why you think this project isn't working or how they've mismanaged the campaign five, six, seven or more times in this thread, you really don't need to post yet again saying a slightly different version of the same thing.

Thanks.