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 Melissia wrote:
Dell also had the problem of the Della launch... such a fething fail idea that was...

Lets not forget the other "genius" ideas, like their line of TV's, MP3 players, smart phones......


OK back on topic.....

GW bad, boo arg....

 BlueDagger wrote:

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 Mad4Minis wrote:
I thought I was out...but a friend and I decided to go ahead and finish our armies and give 6th a go. Looks like GW will get a couple hundred more $$ out of me.

Till you get a codex update, FAQ changes the rules, a codex release negates one of your units, etc and you need to buy different units. There is no "finish" in 40k.

Some people might regard that as a good thing.

Having the option to flesh out your army with new options = good thing. Being forced to flesh out your army to stay competitive = bad thing.

I can't say I've ever heard someone say "wow that Farseer FAQ update made my farseer totally useless in my build. That's awesome and gives me a reason to buy an Autaurch!"

So you want the same things to remain competitive throughout new codexes and editions?

Better if all options could be competitive.

it won't happen any time soon.

The game is there only for its ability to sell models and GW obviously believes the best way to use the rules to sell models is to release new codexes and army books when they have sufficient new models ready for them to sell and every now and again, redo the edition, regardless of the fact that army books may have been published for previous editions.

They won't invest a single work hour or £ than they have to in the rules for the purpose of producing better game play. The rules are a tool to sell models that GW has tricked people into thinking is a real game.

 heartserenade wrote:
Better if all options could be competitive.

A balanced system would allow for that, but wouldn't sell models as well, which is why people suspect that changes to vehicle or infantry or flyer heavy bias per BRB updates are intentional.

 darefsky wrote:

That' capitalism at its finest. For another example look at Samsung vs. Apple. iPhone dominated the market, forcing other companies to step up and now Samsung is starting to outsell them. Its the way it works. Either companies adapt or they are overcome.

Except it's not a good example, because Apple sued the gak out of Samsung.

 Fafnir wrote:

 darefsky wrote:

That' capitalism at its finest. For another example look at Samsung vs. Apple. iPhone dominated the market, forcing other companies to step up and now Samsung is starting to outsell them. Its the way it works. Either companies adapt or they are overcome.

Except it's not a good example, because Apple sued the gak out of Samsung.

And lost.

A billion pounds compensation is a pretty good result for a loss!

Edit - dollars.

I think that GW has a lot of muscle left, the 2 main reasons are how well established it is, in the UK there is a store in prett much every major town and city, and that people already have armies.

Do people really want to see - waste all their time and effort, or just 'update' I mean I know it's going to be £100 but that's it for edition, oh wait new codex X means I need to buy Y unit, but that's only £40....

Add onto that, if you go anywhere new and find a gaming club, you'll always get some 40K others may wax and wane but most gamers have some 40K.

Saying that I've got bored e-bay's one army and played only 1 game of 6th...

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:

 darefsky wrote:

That' capitalism at its finest. For another example look at Samsung vs. Apple. iPhone dominated the market, forcing other companies to step up and now Samsung is starting to outsell them. Its the way it works. Either companies adapt or they are overcome.

Except it's not a good example, because Apple sued the gak out of Samsung.

And lost.

Except for that whole part where they won.

 Fafnir wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:

 darefsky wrote:

That' capitalism at its finest. For another example look at Samsung vs. Apple. iPhone dominated the market, forcing other companies to step up and now Samsung is starting to outsell them. Its the way it works. Either companies adapt or they are overcome.

Except it's not a good example, because Apple sued the gak out of Samsung.

And lost.

Except for that whole part where they won.

And were in turn sued by Samsung for infringing on their patents. It also depends which country you talk about, Samsung won the case in Britain, not that it matters, with appeals and what not the only ones making money on that are the lawyers.

 Fafnir wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:

 darefsky wrote:

That' capitalism at its finest. For another example look at Samsung vs. Apple. iPhone dominated the market, forcing other companies to step up and now Samsung is starting to outsell them. Its the way it works. Either companies adapt or they are overcome.

Except it's not a good example, because Apple sued the gak out of Samsung.

And lost.

Except for that whole part where they won.

Which case?

They (Samsung) did lose German (which is bollocks if you ask me)

The US one is still in the appeals process last I knew and Apple got a sound drumming in the English courts, even having to issue an "apology" to Samsung, then getting slapped with a fine for said public apology not being sincere enough for the judge.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/11/09/english-court-fines-apple-over-the-samsung-apology/

Edit: Ninja'd by Dawnbringer

I was making reference to the American case. The good news is that Samsung has the ability to recover and take counter-action.

A smaller company would have been crushed. It's not good capitalism when suing your competitors out of the competition is actually a seriously considerable option.

It's even possible for a small company to have a hard time recovering just from legal fees. They don't even need to win in order to "win".

 heartserenade wrote:
It's even possible for a small company to have a hard time recovering just from legal fees. They don't even need to win in order to "win".

Exactly what GW expected with the chapterhouse thing, but some time the little guys can turn around and kick the big guys in the teeth

 jonolikespie wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
It's even possible for a small company to have a hard time recovering just from legal fees. They don't even need to win in order to "win".

Exactly what GW expected with the chapterhouse thing, but some time the little guys can turn around and kick the big guys in the teeth

I'm really hoping Chapterhouse A. Wins that case and B. GW has to pay their legal fees

I don't even buy Chapterhouse's products but I like an underdog.

Look at the amazing one click bundles -
They cost the same as buying each component individually!

Great value isn't it?

 Fafnir wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:

 darefsky wrote:

That' capitalism at its finest. For another example look at Samsung vs. Apple. iPhone dominated the market, forcing other companies to step up and now Samsung is starting to outsell them. Its the way it works. Either companies adapt or they are overcome.

Except it's not a good example, because Apple sued the gak out of Samsung.

And lost.

Except for that whole part where they won.

...which was after when they lost the infringement lawsuit against Nokia.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
Look at the amazing one click bundles -
They cost the same as buying each component individually!

Great value isn't it?

Time is money, friend!

Right, if you have to click each one individually, you might actually THINK about what you're doing!

And we can't have that.

Warrior Ancients is a convenient, one-click themed purchase that allows you to collect each of our mighty Space Marine Dreadnoughts. Each of them is covered in Space Marine iconography and contains numerous personalisation options for the collector. Included in this collection are: a Dreadnought, a Venerable Dreadnought, and an Ironclad Dreadnought.

For true collectors only.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
It's even possible for a small company to have a hard time recovering just from legal fees. They don't even need to win in order to "win".

Exactly what GW expected with the chapterhouse thing, but some time the little guys can turn around and kick the big guys in the teeth

I'm really hoping Chapterhouse A. Wins that case and B. GW has to pay their legal fees

I don't even buy Chapterhouse's products but I like an underdog.

I hope B is wrong, GW will just raise prices, these are the same people that bought all the Finecrap machines without paying for them and passed the bill to us.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 heartserenade wrote:
It's even possible for a small company to have a hard time recovering just from legal fees. They don't even need to win in order to "win".

Exactly what GW expected with the chapterhouse thing, but some time the little guys can turn around and kick the big guys in the teeth

I'm really hoping Chapterhouse A. Wins that case and B. GW has to pay their legal fees

I don't even buy Chapterhouse's products but I like an underdog.

I hope B is wrong, GW will just raise prices, these are the same people that bought all the Finecrap machines without paying for them and passed the bill to us.

I don't, I hope they have to pay Chapterhouse's legal fees, and a bunch for "pain and suffering" (I know the second won't happen). And if GW does just raise their prices then they'll just lose more market share, which is what they get for acting like a school yard bully.

The moment they started charging money for their products, they started pricing people out of the hobby. Just think of the billions of people who don't pay 40k or WHFB.

As much as people like to pretend otherwise, GW's price hikes haven't been considerably faster than inflation over the long term. If you're less able to afford it, it's probably because you've gotten relatively poorer, not because GW's products have gotten relatively more expensive.

You should be blaming centralized banks and economic forces that have been slowly depressing average purchasing power, not GW.

Don't worry, I have not stopped blaming the financial industry.

They are still, as a general rule, corrupt and more concerned with gaming the system for personal gain than actually running a good company/institution.

I have a question, kinda off-topic perhaps, but maybe someone can shed some light on this. Before today I didn't think anyone really did this, but are there people out there who buy new models to "collect", but literally never open them and display them in the shrink wrap? Like would a person have a Dark Angels "army" that consisted of nothing but Ravenwing and Deathwing boxes sitting on a shelf unopened?

It may sound like a strange thing to ask, but I saw an auction on eBay earlier for the old Imperial City box set with all the CoD terrain, being sold as a "good addition to any collection" with minor shelf wear etc., still wrapped and everything. It sounded to me kinda like an auction for collectable toys, you know, like Alien stuff or GI Joe, and it put that idea in my head. You also see the "OOP" Wall of Martyrs box set that was released last year being sold online for large sums of cash, too, as if it were some rare collectable even though you can still go to the store and buy all the components individually, and for likely less money than they're asking for the box.

I do know someone who did that with Daemons, just bought them and didn't open them or anything. Dropped a lot of money on them too.

Hi Sidstyler
If you look at the price of GW BNIB,I can see 'collectors' not wanting to 'devalue' their purchase by , opening the box, and taking the pieces off the sprues.let alone putting glue and paint on them!

In fact this is the sort of behaviour GW plc corperate managment would like to encorage. As is takes away all responcibility to provide any additional support to their customers...

@Ailaros.
Could you please post some facts to show GW plc has not priced its products over the rate of inflation over the last 10 years?
As using the price of plastic models available back then and comparing them the the same models still available now, seems to show they have actualy been outsriping inflation.
The fact a lot of peoples wages are not keeping up with inflation just compounds the negative effect of this.

But I am sure it gives people who buy these over priced toy soldiers some bragging rights...

I have a Ferrari F40 ,and a Rolex watch..
Thats nothing I have a Bugatti Verone and a Private jet..
Thats nothing I can still afford to play 40k..

Well we know who wins that argument ...

 Sidstyler wrote:
It may sound like a strange thing to ask, but I saw an auction on eBay earlier for the old Imperial City box set with all the CoD terrain, being sold as a "good addition to any collection" with minor shelf wear etc., still wrapped and everything. It sounded to me kinda like an auction for collectable toys, you know, like Alien stuff or GI Joe, and it put that idea in my head. You also see the "OOP" Wall of Martyrs box set that was released last year being sold online for large sums of cash, too, as if it were some rare collectable even though you can still go to the store and buy all the components individually, and for likely less money than they're asking for the box.

Might have just been an unwanted present or unsold stock from a shop that's been sitting at the bottom of a cupboard or stockroom for a long time before someone had a clearout..

Generally wargaming (not necisserally historical miniatures so much.) can be rather expensive.

The only thing I don't get, is how GW try to sell everything at the price, considering what you pay for.

Plastic kits for example, GW's opinion: "They are all high quality model kits that are are of the best standard around."

Everyone else's opinion: "They are not really of the highest standard, as you can get the same standard elsewhere for much, much cheaper. They are all mass produced in factories, not hand crafted by a man in his back shed in Nottingham."

Also, what' up with these 'Special Edition' Codices? Alter the title, change the colouring, add 40% of the original value onto them.

Not to mention the new WD.

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