Has GW finally hit that magic number that will price people out of the hobby?

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**jonolikespie**

Well it is rumored to be April, not June this year, that alone is probably not a good sign.

**Ravenous D**

The guard box will probably go to $40, a 100% price increase in 4 years.

**Rick_1138**

Ravenous D wrote:
The guard box will probably go to $40, a 100% price increase in 4 years.

Is that from simple price on box increase or changes to what you actually get aswell, i am honestly curious.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Rick_1138 wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
The guard box will probably go to $40, a 100% price increase in 4 years.

Is that from simple price on box increase or changes to what you actually get aswell, i am honestly curious.

Combination of both box price rises and less stuff per box making the cost per mini rise.

Personally, I can't wait for the price rise to hit this year. Its comedy gold!

**Ravenous D**

GW has fanned the flames of rage since the embargo, price rise, finecrap came out a year and a half ago. They havent done anything to make themselves look better since.

As for Guard, it was a 20 man box for $40, 4 sprues, then the 5th ed guard book came out and it dropped to 10 men for $25, first price rise hits and they are $30, second price rise hit and they were $35. They were untouched during the last price rise but GW is doing a rotational price increases (blisters + tanks one year, blisters + infantry the next). Regardless of what happens its sitting at a 75% increase since april 2009.

**weeble1000**

jonolikespie wrote:
Well it is rumored to be April, not June this year, that alone is probably not a good sign.

One wonders what is happening in April? What does GW have going on in April 2013?

**Ravenous D**

If GWs timeline is true its the next codex.

**Rick_1138**

Its also the end\beggining of the financial year so they may be doing it on line with that rather than june from now one? most people get their cost of living increase adjustments then too (if you get one at all ATM.)

**Kroothawk**

Financial year ends in May, not March. That's why in the years before, the price hike was in June.

Oh, and the mentioning of the bits service changes the numbers of blisters you needed in 2004 for standards. You just bought exactly the extra weapons you needed.

**Rick_1138**

Kroothawk wrote:
Financial year ends in May, not March. That's why in the years before, the price hike was in June.

Oh, and the mentioning of the bits service changes the numbers of blisters you needed in 2004 for standards. You just bought exactly the extra weapons you needed.

My bad, i forgot its April it ends, not March.

**Nucflash**

I personaly think that it's not the price of the hobby that drives people away from GW. All my friends that still play Table Top games work full time. Try playing Golf ore some other pricy adult hobby and you will soon find that Minature gaming is cheap.

The Reason all of us stoped playing GW games is because of Unbalanced and slow updated rules. The "gaming" part is totaly broken. But as GW has stated time and again they are a "miniature making company". Sadly for them my friends and I are "gamers" and not "miniature collectors"

We are 11 people in my gaming group, and we all decided about a year ago to pick up warmachine.. We all now have over 100pts each worth of armies, so it's not about the money its about the experince. We want to play a game not collect miniatures...

**MisterMoon**

I appreciate a lot of the opinions posted in the thread. Seems we have a good spread.

Unfortunately I'm unchanged in my opinion and strongly oppose gw.

The only point worth arguing is the comparison of price raises with inflation. Apples don't cost a nickel for a dozen anymore. Basically prices need to go up, it's the economic model that rules our society. What's important is how inflation compares to an individual product. In this case the price raises are significantly higher than inflation. Meaning the product cost a larger portion of your paycheck for the same product than it did in the past. Now there are a lot of excuses for this, like actually putting the weapon options in the kits, but the fact remains. By exceeding inflation gw IS pricing people out. Now combine the above inflation with less than stellar economic times worldwide, again it should be obvious that they are asking for a larger portion of net income for less product.

They are not significantly higher, but slightly higher (2-4%) in most cases, and in some cases, it's gone down or stayed the same. This has been spelled out several times on this thread. Also, overall inflation isn't the wonderstick you make it out to be; it's an average of all products from soda pop, to Ferraris. Lots of variables in that mix.

Simply put gw is asking for more and giving less than they did before, I don't claim to understand why, I can only guess.

giving less? How? That's a joke right? I love the plastic range of models over medal. White Dwarf is a lot easier to read. It's certainly not a product that is "giving less."

My assumption I that ll corporations exist to make profit, there are a lot of ways of doing this, reducing costs, quality drops, expanding the target market, and raising prices. At the end of the day if they can make the same amount by raising prices they need to sell less. Good business bad for the hobby.

Typical casual oversimplification argument with a nice little false dichotomy at the end. Take something complex, like a multi national, publicly traded corporation and break down some simple solution. Additionally, why do you think GW just wants to sell so less that they lose too much customer base as to detriment it's enterprise? Don't you think they know about these things, and have modeled for them? I'll wait for you to tell me how the chairman is an idiot, and they are mindless shills et al.

I think it really comes down to the goal for the product, do you guys remember seeing made from scratch tables at the gas. now its all this prefab plastic garbage and every table looks bland and the same endorsing another product of theirs. But their goal is to make money first a great product second. That is the fundamental problem, if I had to guess.

I'm not sure what you're hinting at here, but I'll take a swing. I don't miss bad cardboard home made terrain, I don't see how anyone can't like the new terrain that GW is making, especially for 40k. I don't think my FLGS has a single table with the GW battle field set, and even my GW store just has one, the other tables are hand done, and are as nice as they ever have been. In short playing tables have gotten better, at least imo. So no I don't remember.

My post is on the product as a whole not specifically troops.

well ok...

**jonolikespie**

MisterMoon wrote:

White Dwarf is a lot easier to read.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh wow I found that a lot funnier than I expect you intended it

**Eggs**

jonolikespie wrote:
MisterMoon wrote:

White Dwarf is a lot easier to read.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh wow I found that a lot funnier than I expect you intended it

I had a chuckle at that one too. It's easier to read because it has less words in it. They took out all the words, and just had pictures, it would be even easier to read.

White dwarf for me is the saddest part of the direction GW have chosen. I remember reading an issue for hours on end. I got through the latest one in the time it took to have a dump.

**MisterMoon**

I personaly think that it's not the price of the hobby that drives people away from GW. All my friends that still play Table Top games work full time. Try playing Golf ore some other pricy adult hobby and you will soon find that Minature gaming is cheap.

This is a point I've said countless times.

The Reason all of us stoped playing GW games is because of Unbalanced and slow updated rules. The "gaming" part is totaly broken. But as GW has stated time and again they are a "miniature making company". Sadly for them my friends and I are "gamers" and not "miniature collectors"

Here's my beef. I don't see the incredible unbalance in GW. And when does GW ever say this quote of being a miniature making company not a game company? I've heard this before, but never from GW, but maybe I missed it. Does this quote have an official source or is it some urban legend?

We are 11 people in my gaming group, and we all decided about a year ago to pick up warmachine.. We all now have over 100pts each worth of armies, so it's not about the money its about the experince. We want to play a game not collect miniatures...

I don't think WMH is like 40k at all. I do have a Horde army I got on a whim, but don't play it often. I find that it's way to munchkin, but that's cool that you like it. I tend to have a great experience playing GW games, but you don't. This really isn't much to do with GW's recent pricing though.

**PhantomViper**

MisterMoon wrote:
I find that it's way to munchkin, but that's cool that you like it.

I don't think that that term means what you think it means.

People have already asked you once to clarify what you mean by it, so I'll join the chorus: what do you mean when you say that WMH is too "munchkin"?

**MisterMoon**

PhantomViper wrote:
MisterMoon wrote:
I find that it's way to munchkin, but that's cool that you like it.

I don't think that that term means what you think it means.

People have already asked you once to clarify what you mean by it, so I'll join the chorus: what do you mean when you say that WMH is too "munchkin"?

OK... Here's my take on WMH
I meant munchkin like a powergamer, not a perfect fit, but I do know what the word means, thanks. My general take on WMH is it's a contest of who can out powergame the other. There's less on tactics, again imo, than GW 40k. Some feel at home with WMH, but I particularly feel like there's way too much involvement on crazy powers and the like. It's like every time an opponent is rest assured to bring out some crazyness you've never heard of, and page 5 and blah blah... But this is my experience. Again, if you like WMH that's fine, but I don't see an apples and apples comparison to 40k. It's also a skirmish game. If you REALLY like WMH, I can also see why you stopped playing 40k, they are quite different.

**PhantomViper**

MisterMoon wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
MisterMoon wrote:
I find that it's way to munchkin, but that's cool that you like it.

I don't think that that term means what you think it means.

People have already asked you once to clarify what you mean by it, so I'll join the chorus: what do you mean when you say that WMH is too "munchkin"?

OK... Here's my take on WMH
I meant munchkin like a powergamer, not a perfect fit, but I do know what the word means, thanks. My general take on WMH is it's a contest of who can out powergame the other. There's less on tactics, again imo, than GW 40k. Some feel at home with WMH, but I particularly feel like there's way too much involvement on crazy powers and the like. It's like every time an opponent is rest assured to bring out some crazyness you've never heard of, and page 5 and blah blah... But this is my experience. Again, if you like WMH that's fine, but I don't see an apples and apples comparison to 40k. It's also a skirmish game. If you REALLY like WMH, I can also see why you stopped playing 40k, they are quite different.

Thanks for your clarification.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I doubt I'll ever see eye to eye with someone that thinks that throwing mountains of dice to decide anything constitutes a more "tactical" experience.

**Kiwidru**

It's not that the suits at GW are stupid, it's that the community has given them the impression that "these nerds will buy ANYthing with a GW label on it for WAY more than its worth."

See also: Superglue; Paint; tape measures; dice. I remember the heady days of being a teen and thinking "GW glue is 5 times as much as superglue at homedepot, there MUST be a reason."
And that reason was I was too dumb to know better.

It's not that privateer press is perfect, but it has taken note of what people hate in GW and improved their business model accordingly.

It's really nice when ambiguity arises and you can hop on the Internet and get an official response from a company representative on the forums, which then becomes faq'd into the official rules. Just look at the difference between the dakka 40k ymdc and the privateer rules forum... One is # pages of "rai vs raw" which never ends, the other is a logical debate which ends when the purplenames make a ruling.

Its really cool to see the entire Warmahordes community getting excited about every expansion/major release... While GW isolates all but the faction of the month.

It's a lot of fun to play in the official quarterly scenarios, which are supported by PP with new scenarios and Shinies for accomplishments, as well as being a part of a dynamic story arc.

This is always my favorite part of war gaming... I did the storm of chaos campaign, and the eye of terror, and Armageddon... Those were fun twists on the norm, but they are farther and farther in the rearview now.

I was shocked when GW eliminated support for its tournament scene, to me that would be like your favorite sports team no longer having home games, or police disabling their tip line... In what world is isolating your most devout customers, the ones who want to be a productive part of your community, a rational decision?

All the while PP it's working diligently to improve its gaming reputation, and thus it's establishment in the community. People that hate GW don't really hate GW, they just see what other, smaller companies are doing and wonder, "Why doesn't the leviathan implement some of these successful strategies?"

**keezus**

MisterMoon wrote:
I don't see how anyone can't like the new terrain that GW is making, especially for 40k.

Seriously? GW's terrain, like pretty much everything else they are doing these days has decended into self parody. Skulls upon skulls. Temple of Skulls. Skullvane Manse etc. Details for the sake of details and promotion of form over function as seen in the new defence lines with the inexplicable and unremovable piles of bodies. Frankly, most of GW's latest offerings suffer from Castle Greyskull type stylings. They are impressive at first glance, and would appeal to the 10 year old version of me, but many are not well suited to gameplay.

Here's my top 5 list of GW produced terrain:

1. Ruins of Osgiliath - Durable. Competitively Priced. No skulls! Fit is a bit of an issue with the modern GW terrain as warpage often prevents proper fit. However, aesthetic is such that it is not out of place with any steampunk/fantasy setting, and is appropriate for 28-30mm gaming.
2. Necromunda Bulkheads (OOP) - Infinite uses as wall sections. Floors can be cut from card stock or plasticard to whatever configuration is wished - not just rectangular shapes. No iconography... great for any near-future, future setting. Can get expensive if used in large quantities though.
3. 3rd Edition Gothic Ruins (OOP) - Durable. Easy and well fitting assembly. Decent LOS blockage. Can be cut apart and reassembled into larger sections by skilled hobbyists. Was cheaply available while in production. No overt iconography. Great for any gothic setting.
4. Fortified Manor House - Awesome set with many possible combinations, and while it has skulls, it is one of the last terrain kits before GW sent Fantasy terrain into Skull Overdrive. The separate kits are poor value bought seperately - especially the fence sections - which while they are well realized, are unreasonably expensive (almost the same price as the Ruins of Osgiliath)
5. Fabric Grass Mat - While bare bones and basic... it is the most flexible (and portable) of GW's board cover offerings.

Honorable Mention: Cities of Death - Great parts, but in the end - IMHO, suffers from every panel being overdetailed. Not enough floor sections included, much more limited in scope than its predecessors. In order to get enough for any sort of construction - price gets prohibitive.
Honorable Mention: Imperial Bastion - Great kit which can be bashed together with others of its kind. Moderately flexible on the battlefield. Price to bash multiples together gets prohibitive.
Honorable Mention: Fantasy Ruined Tower (Witch-something Tor???) - Looks great at a glance, but has way too many skulls. Unfortunately, fit is terrible due to warpage of the curved panels.

Pieces held back by inexplicably high prices:

1. LotR core set terrain - Weak (but still useful) add-on for insane price.
2. Fantasy Chaos Temple - Great utility in the pieces, but not enough pieces provided to build anything but the most basic structure. High cost for the kit makes bashing multiples together cost prohbitive.
3. 40k Battlefield Accessory Sprue - Tons of small utility pieces, but again, cost prohbitive in any large numbers.
4. Fantasy Walls and Fences - Box is probably twice the cost that it should be considering that fences are easy to kitbash.

Dishonorable Mention: 40k Blastscape - Final product was markedly different from the resin masters, vacuum formed parts retained almost no sharp detail, and suffered from obvious quality control issues.
Dishonorable Mention: Most of the 40k hills (vacuum formed or injection moulded). While convenient, they are generally disasters in game play, with models unable to perch on them properly.

**Herzlos**

Rick_1138 wrote:
Its also the end\beggining of the financial year so they may be doing it on line with that rather than june from now one? most people get their cost of living increase adjustments then too (if you get one at all ATM.)

It'd be a sneaky move since I imagine a lot of vets will save up and make a big splash purchase in May to avoid the price hikes ( I dropped about £400 last May, mostly on scenery, and saved at least £100), if they move the hikes forward people will get caught out and pay the new price*. The stealthy increases really annoy me, most companies at least give you a heads and try to justify if "due to the cost of ________, we're going to have to put our prices up a bit from _____ so get your orders in now to buy at the old price", whereas with GW you can walk in the next day and the only difference in the prices, with even the staff being reluctant to comment.

*As GW corporate seem to think. Most will of course, but some will get annoyed and move on.

**Wayshuba**

Kingsley wrote:
One thing that many people don't seem to notice is that prices for basic troops units have historically stayed about the same or in fact gone down, albeit with some exceptions. This ensures that the cost to build the core of an army doesn't actually go up very much. In fact, here are the prices for the Troops units for every 40k army (format is price (inflation-adjusted price)) compared between 2004 and now:

...snip...

So overall, we see that of the 28 basic Troops kits, 6 have gone up in price since 2004, 4 went up or down depending on what loadout you took, 10 went down in price when you account for inflation, and 8 outright decreased in price without accounting for inflation. In other words, 65% of Troops choices have gone down in price since 2004. Since this comprises 8 years of nominal "price increases," it's clear that GW does not hike prices on basic units as much as many people think.

I don't know where this information came from, but it just so happens I have a Space Marine Assault Squads (2 squads still in box), Eldar Guardian squad (1 in box), Commader Dante in blister, a Boxed Land Raider and three cityfight buildings (from 2006) that was in storage that I bought in 2004 from my local LGS. They still have the price on them and this LGS didn't discount.

First, the Assault Squad has 10 marines in it and a price of $30. They are plastic. Now you get 5 for $33.25, same plastic marines. So to me, I see a 108% price increase on the same marines.
Second, the Guardians are $26 for 16. Again an increase.

Also, a lot of the numbers you quote changed from metal (the daemons, Dire Avengers and SM scouts) to plastic - so considering the change, there is still a hefty price increase.

Let me give another one since I have it here. I have Commander Dante in a blister that I bought at the same time as the Assault squad. Price marked is $11.00. Now he is finecrap cast and sells for $19.25 - that is a 75% increase for a material that cost substantial less than metal.

Let me add few more - I have three CityFight buildings here with price of $20 on them that I bought in 2006 (when Cityfight released). They are now $33 each for the exact same building made in plastic. Again a 65% increase from then. The Land Raider is marked $40 and is now $74.25 - again, an 85% increase.

This may be a bit of a semantic, but inflation adjustment from 2004 to now on $20 is $24.33 and $30 is $36.49. So $37.25 noted above is not a price decrease but is close enough to count as flat pricing.

You are correct that the troops haven't moved much, but let's be honest here, they tend to be a small part of most armies. Elites, Fast Attack, and Heavy Support tends to make up a majority of one's armies - and GW knows this. The only possible exception is Imperial Guard which, because they tend to be troop heavy, GW has really put the screws to those troops.

Finally, the raw material pricing of plastic is up about 18% since 2004. However, that will only impact the raw material costs - which is pennies per sprue. Of course this shouldn't be a surprise since GW financials have shown reducing manufacturing and material costs over the last few years, yet the pricing has continued to skyrocket.

**AllSeeingSkink**

Kroothawk wrote:
Kingsley wrote:
So overall, we see that of the 28 basic Troops kits, 6 have gone up in price since 2004, 4 went up or down depending on what loadout you took, 10 went down in price when you account for inflation, and 8 outright decreased in price without accounting for inflation. In other words, 65% of Troops choices have gone down in price since 2004. Since this comprises 8 years of nominal "price increases," it's clear that GW does not hike prices on basic units as much as many people think.

I haven't checked all data of this, but I think it could be summarized like this:

1.) If a standard unit is converted from metal to plastic, the price usually goes down.
2.) If a standard unit already IS in plastic
a.) and it is not a horde army needing many standards, price goes up.
b.) and it is a horde army needing lots of standards, prices skyrocket.

This doesn't include the fact that most standard troops in LOTR went up about 100% within a year.
This doesn't include the fact that in Fantasy 8th edition, you need lots of standards to play competitively.

This is what I suspected as well, that a lot of the "decreases" were actually metal -> plastic transitions, I wasn't going to go through and find that out though (since I have no idea what US pricing was back then anyway). Since you still do need specials/rare/fast attack/elite/heavy support, I think for the most part you'd struggle to find armies that have gone down in price over the years.

**Ravenous D**

And most of those kits that were plastic are getting pretty close to the metal costs.

Lets look at the wraithlord, back when he was metal he was $35, when he was plastic he became $45 (for 2 sprues!) now I just checked, he is $55.50. Holy

! $10 in 3 years.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Ravenous D wrote:
And most of those kits that were plastic are getting pretty close to the metal costs.

Lets look at the wraithlord, back when he was metal he was $35, when he was plastic he became $45 (for 2 sprues!) now I just checked, he is $55.50. Holy ! $10 in 3 years.

Are you sure it was three years? Wraithlord was updated with last Eldar book, so about 2006

**Surtur**

Kingsley wrote:
One thing that many people don't seem to notice is that prices for basic troops units have historically stayed about the same or in fact gone down, albeit with some exceptions. This ensures that the cost to build the core of an army doesn't actually go up very much. In fact, here are the prices for the Troops units for every 40k army (format is price (inflation-adjusted price)) compared between 2004 and now:

Assault Marines (for Blood Angels): 30 USD (36.41) USD for 5 in 2004 (Sergeants with special melee weapons bought separately at 8 (9.71) USD per), 33 USD for 5 now, Sergeant special melee options included. (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Space Wolf Grey Hunters/Blood Claws: 30 (36.41) USD for 10 in 2004 (special weapon status unclear), 37.25 USD for 10 now with special weapons and special melee weapons included, plus tons of bitz (comparison unclear, probably increase or decrease depending on loadout)
Scouts with melee weapons: 20 (24.27) USD for 5 including Sergeant in 2004 (heavy bolter bought separately at 8 (9.71) USD per): 25 USD for 5 now, heavy bolter included (price increase or decrease depending on loadout)
Scouts with bolters or shotguns: 8 (9.71) USD for 2 in 2004 (heavy bolter bought separately at 8 (9.71) USD per), 25 USD for 5 now, heavy bolter included (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Scouts with sniper rifles: 8 (9.71) USD for 2 in 2004 (Sergeant bought separately at 7 (8.50) per), 25 USD for 5 now, Sergeant and missile launcher option included (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Tactical Marines: 30 (36.41) USD for 10 in 2004 (non-flamer special weapons bought separately at 10 (12.14) USD per), 37.25 USD for 10 now with non-flamer special weapons included (price increase or decrease depending on loadout)

Bloodletters of Khorne: 45 (54.61) USD for 10 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price decrease)
Dæmonettes of Slaanesh: 40 (48.51) USD for 10 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price decrease, but man I liked those old sculpts )
Horrors of Tzeentch: 40 (48.51) USD for 10 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price decrease)
Plaguebearers of Nurgle: 40 (48.51) USD for 10 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price decrease)

Chaos Space Marines: 25 (30.34) USD for 8 in 2004, 37.25 USD for 10 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)

Dark Eldar Warriors: 30 (36.41) USD for 16 in 2004 (special/heavy weapons bought separately at 10 (12.14) USD for one blaster and one shredder or 10 (12.14) USD for two Dark Lances) 29 USD for 10 now with all options included (price increase or inflation-adjusted price decrease depending on loadout)
Dark Eldar Wyches: 30 (36.41) USD for 5 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price decrease)

Eldar Dire Avengers: 30 (36.41) USD for 8 in 2004, 37.25 for 10 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Eldar Guardians: 30 (36.41) USD for 16 in 2004 (heavy weapons platforms bought separately with two crew at 20 (24.27) USD per), 36.25 for 10 now with heavy weapons platform included (inflation-adjusted price decrease)

Grey Knights: 30 (36.41) USD for 5 in 2004 (special weapons bought separately at 10 (12.14) USD per), 33 USD for 5 now with special weapons included (price decrease)
Grey Knight Terminators: 55 (66.75) USD for 5 in 2004 (special weapons bought separately at 10 (12.14) USD per), 50 USD for 5 now with special weapons included (price decrease)

Imperial Guard plastics (Cadians, Catachans): 30 (36.41) USD for 20 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price increase)
Imperial Guard metals (Valhallans, Steel Legion, Vostroyans, Tallarn, Mordians): 35 (42.48) USD for 10 in 2004, 35 USD for 10 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)

Necron Immortals: 10 (12.14) USD for 1 in 2004, 33 USD for 5 now (price decrease)
Necron Warriors: 30 (36.41) USD for 12 in 2004, 36.25 USD for 12 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)

Ork Boyz: 30 (36.41) USD for 16 in 2004, 29 USD for 10 now (price increase, though new kit has options for special weapons and Nob)

Sisters of Battle: 35 (42.48) USD for 10 in 2004, 64 USD for 10 now (price increase)

Tau Fire Warriors: 30 (36.41) USD for 12 in 2004, 36.25 USD for 12 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)
Kroot Carnivores: 30 (36.41) USD for 16 in 2004, 36.25 USD for 16 now (inflation-adjusted price decrease)

Termagants: 30 (36.41) for 16 in 2004, 29 USD for 12 now (price increase)
Hormagaunts: 30 (36.41) for 16 in 2004, 29 USD for 12 now (price increase)
Genestealers: 30 (36.41) for 12 in 2004, 30 USD for 8 now (price increase)

So overall, we see that of the 28 basic Troops kits, 6 have gone up in price since 2004, 4 went up or down depending on what loadout you took, 10 went down in price when you account for inflation, and 8 outright decreased in price without accounting for inflation. In other words, 65% of Troops choices have gone down in price since 2004. Since this comprises 8 years of nominal "price increases," it's clear that GW does not hike prices on basic units as much as many people think.

You failed to factor in or even mention that many of those options that went down in price also went metal to plastic. Meaning they fulfill the same role, but are different products.

**Ravenous D**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
And most of those kits that were plastic are getting pretty close to the metal costs.

Lets look at the wraithlord, back when he was metal he was $35, when he was plastic he became $45 (for 2 sprues!) now I just checked, he is $55.50. Holy ! $10 in 3 years.

Are you sure it was three years? Wraithlord was updated with last Eldar book, so about 2006

I was going by the last time I bought one, I worked for GW up until 3 years ago so the extra $10 is a recent change when I looked at the webstore today.

**Rainbow Dash**

here the metal guard are like 50-60 for 10 of them...maybe more but they are not 35/40 here...
infact the US has prices about 5-10 dollars cheaper then us

**Kroothawk**

MisterMoon wrote:
They are not significantly higher, but slightly higher (2-4%) in most cases, and in some cases, it's gone down or stayed the same. This has been spelled out several times on this thread.

You are aware that almost all new releases since December are 30/50/100% more expensive than comparable GW products?
E.g. Dark Talon, Hobbit starter, DA Termis, Throgg, Tentacle Monster, LOTR Elven Riders, ...

**Flashman**

Don't get me wrong Kroot, I agree everything new is over priced at the moment, but Throgg is mahoosive compared to normal trolls (I saw a comparison shot in WD today). Still overpriced yes, but in relative terms...