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Must suck to have such angry wives. Mine on the other hand will help me build models and prime stuff up for me and she isn't really even into TT gaming.

I guess Im really lucky my wife plays space marines and chaos. Soon a Fantasy Army we have been married 26 years two grown boys who also play. But the best part my wife never gamed till about three years ago she got hooked on the painting then tried thegame. she has always supported my gaming though figures there is worse things to spend my money on:}

warhammernut wrote:
I guess Im really lucky my wife plays space marines and chaos. Soon a Fantasy Army we have been married 26 years two grown boys who also play. But the best part my wife never gamed till about three years ago she got hooked on the painting then tried thegame. she has always supported my gaming though figures there is worse things to spend my money on:}

Like crack!!

 Grimtuff wrote:

carmachu wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:




Last time I checked, No Quarter was no better than WD. I own both of the latest issues and I must say that there is very little difference between them. They both advertise like hell. The only real difference is that NQ is cheaper, is released bi-monthly and has fewer pages. I think the Throne of Skulls in Warhammer World is still going on, and that's officially supported. But I see your point.

In a few years, what will WM be like? Once their sales start to plateau, what next?

If you dont notice any difference between NQ and WD, then I question your reading/comprehension ability. Because NQ has advanced models previews, WITH rules that you can proxy out long before the actual book hits. And has actual varient tier lists printed as well. Further rules in advance of release in the RPG releases.

Much better then WD, which no longer does that in advance in many years.

He's already got an answer for that:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

No, I'm not seeing that anywhere in NQ, but I still prefer WD. I read through my NQ issues in about two hours whilst the WD keeps me going for two and a half (not much better, but better). For the price, NQ is better, and there is a lot more stuff, but a lot of the stuff I don't really care about - I don't care about rules and supplements for IK RPG. WIth WD at least I know that one game that I play will be referenced.

See the old irrelevant argument of "The content within is not something I'm interested in, therefore no content." It does not change the fact the mag is full of content and PP tell you well in advance what is in said issue, so you can choose to skip it if the content does not interest you.

I've only got the last two issues, and I still think I prefer White Dwarf. I do play Circle, so the Battle Report in NQ 44 was something I enjoyed. But I don't see any preview rules or models in it. It's still telling you to buy PP models for conversions, to buy the IK RPG, to buy the latest shinies etc. I actually like seeing the board in a WD battle report instead of just a map. I can see the scales of the models, for example. But that's just my opinion. To be honest, I don't really like either that much.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
...
I've only got the last two issues, and I still think I prefer White Dwarf. I do play Circle, so the Battle Report in NQ 44 was something I enjoyed. But I don't see any preview rules or models in it. It's still telling you to buy PP models for conversions, to buy the IK RPG, to buy the latest shinies etc. I actually like seeing the board in a WD battle report instead of just a map. I can see the scales of the models, for example. But that's just my opinion. To be honest, I don't really like either that much.

What?

You "don't see any preview rules or models in it"? In NQ 45 (which you should have if you have "the last two issues" and have #44) they are hard to find, cleverly hidden in an article titled "Gargantuans Previews" (tricky tricky). Preview rules for the Circle Warpborne Alpha, Legion Archangel (gargantuan) and Minion warcaster Rask. Literally everything you need (other then the model) is included in the preview, from the Archangel's damage spiral to explanations of all special rules. After that there is a 4 page, pretty detailed painting guide for Long Riders.

Then there is an alternate theme list for the Witch Coven of Garlghast (official rules), then a 14 page spread of rules for the IK RPG (basically a free bestiary expansion), then an 8 page guide to converting metal models. Then a new scenario with new units and rules. Then an article detailing how to do a flagstone road on a custom gaming board. Then, finally, a tutorial on sculpting and painting smoke and flame effects. Oh, sorry, on the final page there are templates for use in the game.

Seriously, there are at least 20 pages of official rules, 30-40 pages of tutorials and guides for working on models (one of which involves no PP products at all), original fiction, etc, etc.

You don't have to like it, but don't pretend that NQ and WD have the same content.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
...
I've only got the last two issues, and I still think I prefer White Dwarf. I do play Circle, so the Battle Report in NQ 44 was something I enjoyed. But I don't see any preview rules or models in it. It's still telling you to buy PP models for conversions, to buy the IK RPG, to buy the latest shinies etc. I actually like seeing the board in a WD battle report instead of just a map. I can see the scales of the models, for example. But that's just my opinion. To be honest, I don't really like either that much.

What?

You "don't see any preview rules or models in it"? In NQ 45 (which you should have if you have "the last two issues" and have #44) they are hard to find, cleverly hidden in an article titled "Gargantuans Previews" (tricky tricky). Preview rules for the Circle Warpborne Alpha, Legion Archangel (gargantuan) and Minion warcaster Rask. Literally everything you need (other then the model) is included in the preview, from the Archangel's damage spiral to explanations of all special rules. After that there is a 4 page, pretty detailed painting guide for Long Riders.

Then there is an alternate theme list for the Witch Coven of Garlghast (official rules), then a 14 page spread of rules for the IK RPG (basically a free bestiary expansion), then an 8 page guide to converting metal models. Then a new scenario with new units and rules. Then an article detailing how to do a flagstone road on a custom gaming board. Then, finally, a tutorial on sculpting and painting smoke and flame effects. Oh, sorry, on the final page there are templates for use in the game.

Seriously, there are at least 20 pages of official rules, 30-40 pages of tutorials and guides for working on models (one of which involves no PP products at all), original fiction, etc, etc.

You don't have to like it, but don't pretend that NQ and WD have the same content.

Don't forget they're making those historical battles scenarios to play now too.

 Rainbow Dash wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

help please wrote:


When I go out for a meal, and spent 100 pounds. I can normally expect a night of adult entertainment.
If I spend 100 pounds on GW models, I normally get a month of the silent treatment.
Some things are worth the money, some arn't. GW currently isn't.

This. The $100 I spend on a night out with my wife brings in priceless couple dividends. Happy wife = less stress in my wife. $100 spent on GW gets an eyebrow raise and a few nerd comments; wife isn't angry but she sure isn't as happy as the candle-lit dinner would have made her.

what if you're single?
Rainbow Dash goes to GW
Rainbow Dash doesn't go to GW
either way...I'm not happy

Applejack Daniels and hookers.

you forgot the bacon strips

& baconstrips
& baconstrips
& baconstrips

and then you win! hehe

Anyway it would probably be a while before they totally priced me out. I guess I am one of their "elastic" customers.

I love the models, the background and they countless ways to smash them together.

However i do find their business practise of late very backwards.

1) Most business try to expand their user bases. Why? Safety in numbers & economy of scales. Safe in numbers means you are less likely to suffer from recessions and changes in local culture. GW's biggest consumer bases are Europe & USA, both still struggling with the effects of a recession that isn't going away over night. What are they doing in the emerging markets?? Next to nothing! Here in China they have 1 (yes 1) official store in Shanghai. They have a few 3rd party vendors doing a lot of ground work for them but speaking to several owners they barely get support. I am sure its similar in many other emerging markets... Anyone from Brazil or India that could chime in here?

2) They miss out on is the digital age... yes they have a blog and the do some stuff on iOS but for the most page they ignore social media and community.

3) Expand thy business model. Again they have a few video games on the go, Black library (which is way too bloated a medium in its current form IMO - books should not be that quick to write!) & they made that god-aweful film recently but nothing else to note. TV series? Movie deals? Web casts?

The funny thing is whatever they are doing seems to be working anyway and they actually reward their management team for driving them into a more specialist hole. having said all this Profit is king and they are still making one so they are not as stupid as I or anyone else may make out.

Zanderchief wrote:

1) Most business try to expand their user bases. Why? Safety in numbers & economy of scales. Safe in numbers means you are less likely to suffer from recessions and changes in local culture. GW's biggest consumer bases are Europe & USA, both still struggling with the effects of a recession that isn't going away over night. What are they doing in the emerging markets?? Next to nothing! Here in China they have 1 (yes 1) official store in Shanghai. They have a few 3rd party vendors doing a lot of ground work for them but speaking to several owners they barely get support. I am sure its similar in many other emerging markets... Anyone from Brazil or India that could chime in here?

2) They miss out on is the digital age... yes they have a blog and the do some stuff on iOS but for the most page they ignore social media and community.

3) Expand thy business model. Again they have a few video games on the go, Black library (which is way too bloated a medium in its current form IMO - books should not be that quick to write!) & they made that god-aweful film recently but nothing else to note. TV series? Movie deals? Web casts?

Expanding in China is tricky when your business sells easily pirated plastic soldiers very expensively. As much as I don't like GW as a company, intellectual property has to be respected by sovereign states. In China it's not, if big car companies get thrown out of Chinese courts GW know they wouldn't stand a chance.

I don't see why they couldn't be big in Japan though. Seems like the sort of thing they'd like

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
...
I've only got the last two issues, and I still think I prefer White Dwarf. I do play Circle, so the Battle Report in NQ 44 was something I enjoyed. But I don't see any preview rules or models in it. It's still telling you to buy PP models for conversions, to buy the IK RPG, to buy the latest shinies etc. I actually like seeing the board in a WD battle report instead of just a map. I can see the scales of the models, for example. But that's just my opinion. To be honest, I don't really like either that much.

What?

You "don't see any preview rules or models in it"? In NQ 45 (which you should have if you have "the last two issues" and have #44) they are hard to find, cleverly hidden in an article titled "Gargantuans Previews" (tricky tricky). Preview rules for the Circle Warpborne Alpha, Legion Archangel (gargantuan) and Minion warcaster Rask. Literally everything you need (other then the model) is included in the preview, from the Archangel's damage spiral to explanations of all special rules. After that there is a 4 page, pretty detailed painting guide for Long Riders.

Then there is an alternate theme list for the Witch Coven of Garlghast (official rules), then a 14 page spread of rules for the IK RPG (basically a free bestiary expansion), then an 8 page guide to converting metal models. Then a new scenario with new units and rules. Then an article detailing how to do a flagstone road on a custom gaming board. Then, finally, a tutorial on sculpting and painting smoke and flame effects. Oh, sorry, on the final page there are templates for use in the game.

Seriously, there are at least 20 pages of official rules, 30-40 pages of tutorials and guides for working on models (one of which involves no PP products at all), original fiction, etc, etc.

You don't have to like it, but don't pretend that NQ and WD have the same content.

I have to echo this, I bought NQ yesterday after hearing about it, and I don't know anything about Warmachine/Hordes at all, but the magazine is simply incredible and everything that WD was and should be. The new releases takes up 5 pages and each item gets: a single clear picture, the game, sculptor and price. Then there's a section on rules for new things, and there's a properly detailed battle report describing why those lists are used, and a turn by turn account with maps to follow the action. That's as far as I've read, but I suspect the battle report alone has a longer wordcount than WD.

 BryllCream wrote:
I don't see why they couldn't be big in Japan though. Seems like the sort of thing they'd like

Unless something has changed in recent years - Japan doesn't allow for copyright protection for toys and games.

Regarding China though, it actually isn't that easy to pirate plastics - that is why most the discount stuff coming from there is metal/resin as well as a few of the items which they have the plastic molds from when the production was being done in country

One thing I've noticed in this whole thread are the numerous threads that criticize GWs product in ways not so much related to price or even value. This has led me to defend GW, because I think it's illogical and unfair to complain about the price or value of a product you don't like. However, I do have price related gripes...

1.) Entry price. This can't be overlooked, I think it's been well over 5 years since I've brought someone into hobby via GW. It's not that the model kits are too expensive, it's just that you need more kits than most other games to get started, and the costs add up fast. The price range for GW kits are basically the same as WMH kits. It's just you don't need as many to get started with WMH. With WMH you can get a one player starter box for 50 bucks, and you can play that kit. There is no possible way to start GW for 50 bucks at full retail. Not to mention comparison of the rule book's price, which I'll get to in a moment. The battalion/army boxes are GW's closest thing to these, but they over $110 bucks, and they don't usually have all that's needed to play a game since they are missing an HQ. So that's another 30-40 dollar kit, and now you're at 150 bucks, just in models, to have a small game. On an aside, I wish there were more smaller games to be found, so I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing, but it might limit you at your local game store or club.

2.) The book prices are asinine. Requiring someone to fork over, over 100 dollars in books just to know how to play is beyond asinine. Lately, I know that most folks just illegally download their books. Not that price always leads to piracy, I see folks with WMH books all the time which are optional, yet are still bought. GW is really missing the boat here. Neckbeards will gladly buy your (reasonably priced) books for the art, fluff, and fun of flipping pages over their geek obsession. As I stated with other games, the books are optional and affordable, or just plain affordable, or even free for (legal) download. GW's excuses for this are absurd. You pay Matt Ward a salary, if he's asking for more money, send him packing, but he's not. They are chasing marginal costs here, and working up their profit portfolio at the expense of the people that play their games. I expect this sort of ass-hatery from banks and insurance companies, but not a niche gaming company.

3.) Price rises seem to happen a little too often followed by BS excuses.

4.) Not passing savings to customer. Again, I expect this from banks and insurance companies, not a niche gaming company. Switching from metal to (quality) resin should be a price decrease, not increase. The piss-poor quality of finecast's initial launch was the best example of karma I'd ever seen.

Random issues mentioned in this thread primarily not in the scope of "price." I mention these because while not directly related to price, they do effect overall value.

1.) Book creep... lapping other army books, and allowing multiple editions of an army to elapse before an update. IMO, when a new edition of the rules is launched ALL army/codex books shouldn't take more than 18 months to be updated.

2.) Bizarre culture of secrecy. Not allowing future rules to be play-tested in an open fashion. Not knowing of product launches and updates until the day of, or just a couple weeks before. With usually nothing launched ahead of time to get an idea of what to expect.

I think the big point is entry price. Make cheap starter boxes (and you don't need to spend ages on making them, some snap-fit easy-to-paint Marines vs Necrons is all that's needed) with cheap battalions that have a small codex in them. All you need in one of them is a quick bit of background (like 2 pages), the profile for a basic commander and the rules for models in the box.

So for example, for the Necron box:
- 2 pages describing how Necrons fight
- Rules for Overlords, Immortals, Deathmarks, Scarabs, Arks and Warriors

It's not going to eat into their profits too much, is it?

 MisterMoon wrote:
One thing I've noticed in this whole thread are the numerous threads that criticize GWs product in ways not so much related to price or even value. This has led me to defend GW, because I think it's illogical and unfair to complain about the price or value of a product you don't like.

Actually it's more fair. The people who don't like the current product and find the price to be poor are fans of 40k/WFB. There was, at one time, a product they both liked and found to be a good value. So having both the price go up and the product become less appealing is more cause to complain, not less.

 agnosto wrote:

help please wrote:


When I go out for a meal, and spent 100 pounds. I can normally expect a night of adult entertainment.
If I spend 100 pounds on GW models, I normally get a month of the silent treatment.
Some things are worth the money, some arn't. GW currently isn't.

This. The $100 I spend on a night out with my wife brings in priceless couple dividends. Happy wife = less stress in my wife. $100 spent on GW gets an eyebrow raise and a few nerd comments; wife isn't angry but she sure isn't as happy as the candle-lit dinner would have made her.

I could make my wife happy by spending $100 on minis...for her Daemons army.

I thought I was almost done with GW...but I have a whole Tau army to build (with a new codex coming) and my wifes Deamons to finish (with a new codex coming)...then add in some cool new fantasy minis to use with Song of Blades & heroes....GW will be getting a fair bit from me this year.

Actually it's more fair. The people who don't like the current product and find the price to be poor are fans of 40k/WFB.

To be specific, I'm referring to those who don't like the product at even a "reasonable price." This could be related to rules, or look of models, or the crowd that plays the game... There are a bunch of things which have nothing to do with price, and those folks have used this thread as a punching bag to let us know.

There was, at one time, a product they both liked and found to be a good value.

I'm not talking about these folks in this quote.

So having both the price go up and the product become less appealing is more cause to complain, not less.

Again, not really talking about this customer either. At least in the first sentence. If you don't like the product, or demand an unreasonable price for it due to the value you'll get from it, those are whom I speak of.

Agreed White Dwarf is an increasingly poor magazine and sufferes massively in comparison to No Quarter

 BryllCream wrote:

Zanderchief wrote:

1) Most business try to expand their user bases. Why? Safety in numbers & economy of scales. Safe in numbers means you are less likely to suffer from recessions and changes in local culture. GW's biggest consumer bases are Europe & USA, both still struggling with the effects of a recession that isn't going away over night. What are they doing in the emerging markets?? Next to nothing! Here in China they have 1 (yes 1) official store in Shanghai. They have a few 3rd party vendors doing a lot of ground work for them but speaking to several owners they barely get support. I am sure its similar in many other emerging markets... Anyone from Brazil or India that could chime in here?

2) They miss out on is the digital age... yes they have a blog and the do some stuff on iOS but for the most page they ignore social media and community.

3) Expand thy business model. Again they have a few video games on the go, Black library (which is way too bloated a medium in its current form IMO - books should not be that quick to write!) & they made that god-aweful film recently but nothing else to note. TV series? Movie deals? Web casts?

Expanding in China is tricky when your business sells easily pirated plastic soldiers very expensively. As much as I don't like GW as a company, intellectual property has to be respected by sovereign states. In China it's not, if big car companies get thrown out of Chinese courts GW know they wouldn't stand a chance.

I don't see why they couldn't be big in Japan though. Seems like the sort of thing they'd like

I thought they tried that with the Tau but since the Tau aren't anime enough they didn't appeal to anime fans, GW I guess thought they were good enough to surpass that little factoid but they failed and Tau are that weird army either people love or hate and look rather out of place
when they get redone I hope they look a lot different, (either more anime, or stop trying to go anime all together-love the rules hate the models)

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
I thought they tried that with the Tau but since the Tau aren't anime enough they didn't appeal to anime fans, GW I guess thought they were good enough to surpass that little factoid but they failed and Tau are that weird army either people love or hate and look rather out of place
when they get redone I hope they look a lot different, (either more anime, or stop trying to go anime all together-love the rules hate the models)

I always saw the Tau as a grab at the pockets of anime loving kids in western countries more than anime loving Japs. It seems silly to try and market an anime-like race to an anime-ridden country, surely you'd try and appeal with being different and interestingly foreign rather than a poor attempt at copying local culture. It'd be like Japan trying to make a muscle car or cheeseburgers to appeal to Americans, or trying to appeal to French with french fries, or trying to appeal to English with warm beer, or trying to appeal to Australians with koalas, or trying to appeal to New Zealanders with sheep.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
I thought they tried that with the Tau but since the Tau aren't anime enough they didn't appeal to anime fans, GW I guess thought they were good enough to surpass that little factoid but they failed and Tau are that weird army either people love or hate and look rather out of place
when they get redone I hope they look a lot different, (either more anime, or stop trying to go anime all together-love the rules hate the models)

I always saw the Tau as a grab at the pockets of anime loving kids in western countries more than anime loving Japs. It seems silly to try and market an anime-like race to an anime-ridden country, surely you'd try and appeal with being different and interestingly foreign rather than a poor attempt at copying local culture. It'd be like Japan trying to make a muscle car or cheeseburgers to appeal to Americans, or trying to appeal to French with french fries, or trying to appeal to English with warm beer, or trying to appeal to Australians with koalas, or trying to appeal to New Zealanders with sheep.

again this is GW we are talking about
point is I do hope they change them radically, not leave them the same

 Rainbow Dash wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:

I don't see why they couldn't be big in Japan though. Seems like the sort of thing they'd like

I thought they tried that with the Tau but since the Tau aren't anime enough they didn't appeal to anime fans, GW I guess thought they were good enough to surpass that little factoid but they failed and Tau are that weird army either people love or hate and look rather out of place
when they get redone I hope they look a lot different, (either more anime, or stop trying to go anime all together-love the rules hate the models)

thats like saying space wolves were invented to appeal to norweigans and swedes...

which is bull.

themes are themes and are not decided upon to sell to a specific country.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
I thought they tried that with the Tau but since the Tau aren't anime enough they didn't appeal to anime fans, GW I guess thought they were good enough to surpass that little factoid but they failed and Tau are that weird army either people love or hate and look rather out of place
when they get redone I hope they look a lot different, (either more anime, or stop trying to go anime all together-love the rules hate the models)

I always saw the Tau as a grab at the pockets of anime loving kids in western countries more than anime loving Japs. It seems silly to try and market an anime-like race to an anime-ridden country, surely you'd try and appeal with being different and interestingly foreign rather than a poor attempt at copying local culture. It'd be like Japan trying to make a muscle car or cheeseburgers to appeal to Americans, or trying to appeal to French with french fries, or trying to appeal to English with warm beer, or trying to appeal to Australians with koalas, or trying to appeal to New Zealanders with sheep.

Yes it is a ridiculous idea if you think about it, and looking at some of the plastic mech and robot kits the Japanese have had for years, the Tau stuff was always going to come a distant 163rd place by comparison. That being said, the release did coincide with the expansion into Japan at the time, and translation of Japanese rules etc.

I do think there is massive potential to expand into asia - having lived in Korea, the kids love to collect, and I think also have the patience (something increasingly lacking in their western counterparts) to make the most of the modelling and painting hobby. There is also some serious disposable income out there, and has been mentioned we are talking about the rise of one section of the world's economies vs. the decline of Europe and the US by comparison - so you have to think there is the big financial incentive there as well.

So a massive untapped market I feel - speaking again of Korea specifically (although I'm sure some kind of analogue could be extended to other countries in asia), a strongly backed partnership with some of the big department stores or chains - with a proper infrastructure in place - could eventually yield massive results. Unfortunately, I think only one company has the financial ability to go for that kind of thing, and they are precisely the ones that are so averse to any kind of risk that such a thing would be completely unconscionable.

Just so your all aware, we don't actually drink warm beer.

And that's not just me by the way.. It's literally ever.

The closest you will get is cellar temperature.. And considering this country is fething freezing, it's closer to fridge than room temperature!

 mattyrm wrote:
Just so your all aware, we don't actually drink warm beer.

And that's not just me by the way.. It's literally ever.

The closest you will get is cellar temperature.. And considering this country is fething freezing, it's closer to fridge than room temperature!

Here here.
Ice cold, so it frosts the glass. And not that scraped up donkey p_ss, you foreigners call beer

 loki old fart wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:
Just so your all aware, we don't actually drink warm beer.

And that's not just me by the way.. It's literally ever.

The closest you will get is cellar temperature.. And considering this country is fething freezing, it's closer to fridge than room temperature!

Here here.
Ice cold, so it frosts the glass. And not that scraped up donkey p_ss, you foreigners call beer

Hey now. I don't want to derail this thread by talking about beer, but there is a big difference between proper cellar temperature and an ice-cold beer. Proper temp, if you want to get finicky, depends on the type of beer as well.

But you need to drink American domestic swill ice cold because that way you don't have to taste it. There are also many, many fine microbreweries in the US. Further, you may prefer to drink a beer chilled rather than warm, and it is best to serve a beer at the proper temperature, but if a beer tastes like crap when it is warm, it is not a good beer. You should be able to enjoy a good beer when it is warm, even if you would prefer to drink it at the proper temperature.

weeble1000 wrote:

 loki old fart wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:
Just so your all aware, we don't actually drink warm beer.

And that's not just me by the way.. It's literally ever.

The closest you will get is cellar temperature.. And considering this country is fething freezing, it's closer to fridge than room temperature!

Here here.
Ice cold, so it frosts the glass. And not that scraped up donkey p_ss, you foreigners call beer

Hey now. I don't want to derail this thread by talking about beer, but there is a big difference between proper cellar temperature and an ice-cold beer. Proper temp, if you want to get finicky, depends on the type of beer as well.

But you need to drink American domestic swill ice cold because that way you don't have to taste it. There are also many, many fine microbreweries in the US. Further, you may prefer to drink a beer chilled rather than warm, and it is best to serve a beer at the proper temperature, but if a beer tastes like crap when it is warm, it is not a good beer. You should be able to enjoy a good beer when it is warm, even if you would prefer to drink it at the proper temperature.

McMinnamin's (SP) in Oregon. Talk about a fine microbrewery. Also, here in NY we have Adirondack breweries that have awesome beer too. My family only buys the good stuff, and McMinnamin's "Terminator" beer puts things like Guinness to shame (and I love Guinness). They love when I go to Oregon for work, because they know I'm coming home with liquid presents.

Oh, and on topic...prices suck. Probably not buying Warriors, even though I want to try the new book with a Monster-Mash.

You want some awesome microbrewed beer? You should check out brew dog. I believe they have a presence in the states now. I'd recommend Punk IPA, Trashy Blonde and Paradox. Give Tactical nuclear penguin a wide berth though...

No, they are not pricing people out of the Hobby at all. Most hobbies are expensive and people understand that going into it. Pricing the people that have to find every loop hole in the rules or the newest maxed-out army is a different story. A person in the hobby understands the amount of time that you spend gluing and painting has a “value” to them that far exceeds that purchase price. They also understand that most models can be used for YEARS of gamming after painting. To the person that just wants to play a game and cares little or nothing about the “hobby” that changes armies every time the new super list comes out and also wants a 2000 point army right now. Then the answer is yes they are going to be priced out and good riddance to them!

 Eggs wrote:
You want some awesome microbrewed beer? You should check out brew dog. I believe they have a presence in the states now. I'd recommend Punk IPA, Trashy Blonde and Paradox. Give Tactical nuclear penguin a wide berth though...

Seconded, their brewery is near-ish to where i live! i may be buying a few bottles on way home.

Anyway, on topic, there was a post around about what folks would do if they were GW CEO, one of the things that crops up a lot is obviously 'lower prices', however a couple said lower prices to sell volume.

The problem here is folk dont buy more because its half the price, buy one get one free etc is diff, as folk will take the extra even if they dont need.

If a box of marines was say £20, making it £10 wont make people want to buy 20 marines, they will just buy their 10 and accept it, as they dont need the other 10.

This is partly why GW's prices keep creeping up as buying volume lowers, supply and demand forces force prices to increase, however if GW lowered prices, there would be a small surge in people buying as they see this as value being added (i.e. a corrected price point) in a year or 2, folk will start bemoaning the price having risen to say £12.50.

Prices are very complicated and the simple material cost does not factor into it, as we know you can get a bag of metal miniatures for some systems for about £5, or you can get 1 or 2 resin models for over £30, they are the same basic item, but materials, design and packaging and that all important bit, branding all add to the cost.

Why does a Kia hatch cost £23,000 when a similar Audi A3 costs £32,000, its the same sort if materials, same function, same sort of size, but audi can charge more, as the model is slightly diff quality materials etc.

Obviously this falls down when you get bad finecast sculpts though i have been lucky i have seen horrors too.

This is just me throwing out points, i am not trying to BE GW white knight of the week.

I just dont see sudden price drops saving a company, its always a bad thing to see, sales and bundles would be good for GW, skulls promotions etc, but general RRP price changes would be a bad sign.