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 IPS wrote:


It might be that it is because I'm fammiliar with 40k fluff (even though I'm not totally crazy about it)
But it's exactly what you say. 40k picks up the typical sci fi stereotypes and puts all of them into one universe.
So that I can freely choose between them and make my own stories and worlds. And that's just how i like it.

Nothing is preventing you doing the same with any other sci-fi game. Pulp games are a bit more restrictive in the tend to be based on a single pre-defined world though.

The wolf is actually a great example, what if I am the kind of guy that allways wanted to see a man in big armor, riding a wolf, with an energy sword?
Is there a guy riding a wolf in any other sci fi game out there?^^ (idk really maybe there is?)
And if I don't like the wolf riding guy I pick another army, nobody forces me to play with him.

Then it'd be great for you, I'm just pointing out a converse opinion; whilst GW has good accessibility through familiarity, there are bits of it that just don't suit people. For me it has to have some vague sense of credibility.

There are plenty of low-tech fantasy games where small guys ride wolves, because it fits into the environment. But it just doesn't work in most sci-fi environments because it doesn't really fit in (because the tech is millenia out of sync).

Lets get this back on topic.

I think GW is pricing itself out the industry because the price does match the VALUE.

Lets look at the prime competitor PP. They are now in the number two spot in the US overtaking WHFB . Now we can get into cheaper to play and own and all that junk but that's been done over the last 50 pages.

Lets take a look at value for our money.....

Jump over to the news and rumors forum and laugh manically at the debate over the errata that GW just released for a book that hasn't even hit the darn shelves yet!!!! Oh and said book is what $45 and you get the flier rules????

Now just for fun jump over the PP forums and look at the rules questions sub forum. Its night and day. The rules are tight and written to be understood. Most questions are answered by reading the cards or sighted in the BRB, Look at the Errata PP puts out. They are generally under a page per faction, and meant to clean up language....

If GW were a good game company offering a great product people would happily pay the prices they ask.

Why on earth do you think $110-$140 PP Colossals are flying off the shelves? They don't break the game, heck there not even the best choice to bring in different situations. What they offer is something fun and fantastic and are amazing sculpts.

Now lets compare this to GW Flyers. How many threads are there just complaining about the Stormraven, Heldrake, StormTalon ect..... People know intrinsically that they are not worth the money in terms of perceived value.

Just pointing it out, 50 pages and going strong. You couldn't get that much discussion about this if they weren't pricing people out.

 darefsky wrote:
Jump over to the news and rumors forum and laugh manically at the debate over the errata that GW just released for a book that hasn't even hit the darn shelves yet!!!! Oh and said book is what $45 and you get the flier rules????

1 point of errata and $33.

 pretre wrote:

 darefsky wrote:
Jump over to the news and rumors forum and laugh manically at the debate over the errata that GW just released for a book that hasn't even hit the darn shelves yet!!!! Oh and said book is what $45 and you get the flier rules????

1 point of errata and $33.

I stand corrected on the Pricing. but the point that 1 point of errata is causing this much insanity for a game stands.

BUT you can also play them as modern tactical marine army, it's your choise, nobody tells you what to do,

Nothing about 40k replicates modern combat so I don't know what you're talking about.

all the middle bit

Yes, I get it, you really like 40k, the fluff, the models, everything about it gives you a wam tingly glow inside. I'm not finding it relevant to the theme of the thread.

It has nothing to do with prices really, but it shows that GW can put any price tag they want to the hobby,
because the other game systhems aren't really comparable.

GW can't do anything with 'the hobby', because it's not exclusively a GW hobby. As much as you seem to dislike non-40k stuff, there are plenty of options out there that don't, in fact, charge a ridiculous amount for what (to me) is a very limited product.

And then you end with another 'subjective opinion as objective fact' line...

The problem with GW is not just the prices or how bat $&*$ goofy some of the models are but its 40k in general (I dont do fantasy as it never ever appealed to anyone i know ever)..

When I started 20 odd years ago 40k was something as a 10 year old I found utterly cool and new etc but 40k is still 40k its the same stale recycled story over and over. The rules change for bett...worse but its the same old story. yes BL etc but when spending £45 on a book plus £30 on other books to have the same story I read 20 years ago given to me like its new is just not worth it.

Warmahordes, Malifaux, infinity all have a setting but they add and move on with that setting and some folk like the models, some don`t but not only does the story move on but its cheaper and models are looking better with every release as opposed to GW who`s story is the same if not worse(mat ward) overpriced everything, shockingly bad models. Its just a failing.

The white knights maybe out etc but the writing is on the wall. GW needs to pull its head out the sand and start doing something, anything to stop whats left of its fanbase from moving to other systems or just quitting in general.

I`m not sure if it was a thread on dakka but people saying if your not happy quit the hobby etc. News Flash GW is not the hobby, Wargaming is the hobby, gw are a pawn in the wargames market. By all means people will and have quit the "gw hobby" but like I said gw is not the HOBBY

That last bit ot but I see it a lot from some folks

My GF decided she wanted to play a Miniature game with me and participate in the hobby. Between 40k and WM/H she liked the fluff and minis for the Orks and the Trolls the best. After seeing how much it was going to take to even get to the point of possibly playing between the two games, she chose Trolls and WM/H, which I can't fault her on.

She spent $80 on a starter and an infantry squad and she's already got a small, playable army, with another $12 spent on a mini Rulebook from eBay. She wants to add a squad of Burrowers and one large Dire Troll and that'll top her spending off at about $140. Similar amounts spent for GW doesn't get you anywhere close with an Ork army.

I read a lot of people sick of GW and changing game. I understand that and even me I'm looking other games and I'm a big fan of 40k (and I don't care about the big bad evil and all other stuff). But I don't remember or I didn't see if someone did a game who look like warhammer 40 or WHFB.

If I play Infinity, kingdom of deaht etc and look if they are better than 40k, I cannot, they are not the same "gameplay". Which game I can do this comparison?

Sadly, there aren't any real alternatives to GW at this precise moment.

There's a few coming in the future.

Currently Warpath from Mantic is sort of, kind of, ish, at an early 2nd edition level of game size and rules. - A couple of armies have vehicles, but not many.

There was also Beyond The Gates of Antares, but with the kickstarter cancelled, that is currently in limbo.

Those are really the only two games that I'd say have the potential to be close to the true scale of 40k.

 Compel wrote:
Sadly, there aren't any real alternatives to GW at this precise moment.

There's a few coming in the future.

Currently Warpath from Mantic is sort of, kind of, ish, at an early 2nd edition level of game size and rules. - A couple of armies have vehicles, but not many.

There was also Beyond The Gates of Antares, but with the kickstarter cancelled, that is currently in limbo.

Those are really the only two games that I'd say have the potential to be close to the true scale of 40k.

Dust Warfare, baby. With a reactive system, so you don't sit there for 30-60 minutes watching your force die. But the rules for Warpath look pretty soild, got to get a demo of that one.

 IPS wrote:


The wolf is actually a great example, what if I am the kind of guy that allways wanted to see a man in big armor, riding a wolf, with an energy sword?
Is there a guy riding a wolf in any other sci fi game out there?^^ (idk really maybe there is?)
And if I don't like the wolf riding guy I pick another army, nobody forces me to play with him.

For settings - Gamma World, Amazing Engine, After the Bomb, Rifts, Shadow Run... That is without even bothering to think of things too much. For giggles, take a look at Atomic Knights as well.

There are plenty of generic rules which allow you to do pretty much anything you want to do. Defiance from Majestic 12 has some of the best force creation rules available, and the game play is actually pretty straight forward as well. There are other rules which support things like a man in big armor riding a wolf and wielding an energy sword...even if they aren't specifically called out that way in the background (they might be riding a hoverbike or motorcycle for example in the game related fluff...).

Noir wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Sadly, there aren't any real alternatives to GW at this precise moment.

There's a few coming in the future.

Currently Warpath from Mantic is sort of, kind of, ish, at an early 2nd edition level of game size and rules. - A couple of armies have vehicles, but not many.

There was also Beyond The Gates of Antares, but with the kickstarter cancelled, that is currently in limbo.

Those are really the only two games that I'd say have the potential to be close to the true scale of 40k.

Dust Warfare, baby. With a reactive system, so you don't sit there for 30-60 minutes watching your force die. But the rules for Warpath look pretty soild, got to get a demo of that one.

Dust Warfare is the WWII like game from FF?

hellpato wrote:

Noir wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Sadly, there aren't any real alternatives to GW at this precise moment.

There's a few coming in the future.

Currently Warpath from Mantic is sort of, kind of, ish, at an early 2nd edition level of game size and rules. - A couple of armies have vehicles, but not many.

There was also Beyond The Gates of Antares, but with the kickstarter cancelled, that is currently in limbo.

Those are really the only two games that I'd say have the potential to be close to the true scale of 40k.

Dust Warfare, baby. With a reactive system, so you don't sit there for 30-60 minutes watching your force die. But the rules for Warpath look pretty soild, got to get a demo of that one.

Dust Warfare is the WWII like game from FF?

Yup. There's Dust Tactics and Dust warfare, you'd have to ask else someone what the difference is though, I don't know.

 Compel wrote:
Sadly, there aren't any real alternatives to GW at this precise moment.

There's a few coming in the future.

Currently Warpath from Mantic is sort of, kind of, ish, at an early 2nd edition level of game size and rules. - A couple of armies have vehicles, but not many.

There was also Beyond The Gates of Antares, but with the kickstarter cancelled, that is currently in limbo.

Those are really the only two games that I'd say have the potential to be close to the true scale of 40k.

Hopefully the return Warzone is a breath of fresh air.

 darefsky wrote:

As to GW...at the end of the day the rules just flat out suck, and why on earth would people not complain about spending over $1000 to play a subpar game...

Now theres something Ill completely agree with.


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 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 IPS wrote:


The wolf is actually a great example, what if I am the kind of guy that allways wanted to see a man in big armor, riding a wolf, with an energy sword?
Is there a guy riding a wolf in any other sci fi game out there?^^ (idk really maybe there is?)
And if I don't like the wolf riding guy I pick another army, nobody forces me to play with him.

For settings - Gamma World, Amazing Engine, After the Bomb, Rifts, Shadow Run... That is without even bothering to think of things too much. For giggles, take a look at Atomic Knights as well.

There are plenty of generic rules which allow you to do pretty much anything you want to do. Defiance from Majestic 12 has some of the best force creation rules available, and the game play is actually pretty straight forward as well. There are other rules which support things like a man in big armor riding a wolf and wielding an energy sword...even if they aren't specifically called out that way in the background (they might be riding a hoverbike or motorcycle for example in the game related fluff...).

For a generic rule system for 28mm gaming on a 40k scale Id recommend Warengine. Its the base system from a game called Shockforce from the late 1990s. The rules are rock solid, but the minis leaft a lot to be desired, and the fluff was just terrible.

I know I've personally decided not to put another cent (good thing too, as it is going away) in GW if I can help it. I have five armies (one of them done entirely in proxy models) and will be letting go of at least one of them in the near future.

After playing dynamic games like Malifaux and Infinity, I just can't stand the limited scope of play of 40K.

And as it will inevitably be the case, armies will become obsolete, I will not do competitive maintenance on them. Dark Angels has got me bummed out. The new flyers are meh stats-wise, and I will not pay 90$ for a plane jsut to paint it, when it is such a boring model. I just don't see the value in it.

I would gladly pay 90$ for a beautifully detailed model of a p-51 mustang, or on a kitbash to make my own flyer for other games.

I am priced out.

Noir wrote:

 Compel wrote:
Sadly, there aren't any real alternatives to GW at this precise moment.

There's a few coming in the future.

Currently Warpath from Mantic is sort of, kind of, ish, at an early 2nd edition level of game size and rules. - A couple of armies have vehicles, but not many.

There was also Beyond The Gates of Antares, but with the kickstarter cancelled, that is currently in limbo.

Those are really the only two games that I'd say have the potential to be close to the true scale of 40k.

Dust Warfare, baby. With a reactive system, so you don't sit there for 30-60 minutes watching your force die. But the rules for Warpath look pretty soild, got to get a demo of that one.

Dust Warfare is in no way, shape, or form similar to 40k beyond the fact that they both are miniature wargames. From setting to game size, it's not really even close.

Is it a fun game for a great price? Absolutely. But a replacement for someone itching to play a large scale Sci Fi game it is not.

Guess what playing another game requires? Buying into said game, finding someone else that is playing said game, learning said game, and organizing a game so we can stumble through the rules of said game.

Playing 40k requires me to take all th stuff I already own and walk into my LGS on any of about 4 different days of the week.

 insaniak wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
I find it ironic that anybody that thinks WARMACHINE is cartoony likes WH40K miniatures.

Why? They're two very different design aesthetics. While they both use deformed 'Heroic' scale, Privateer took the idea and ramped it up even further than most other companies have ever done so. Everything's all massive shoulders and hands and tiny legs.

They're both cartoony styles, but Privateer is cartoonier.

Honestly?

I think that they are about the same.

Different cartoons, but cartoons.

And... there is a reason that I favor Cygnar over the rest. (If I could field a decent army with just Trenchers and long gunners then I would.)

Khador isn't bad either.

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
I find it ironic that anybody that thinks WARMACHINE is cartoony likes WH40K miniatures.

Why? They're two very different design aesthetics. While they both use deformed 'Heroic' scale, Privateer took the idea and ramped it up even further than most other companies have ever done so. Everything's all massive shoulders and hands and tiny legs.

They're both cartoony styles, but Privateer is cartoonier.

Honestly?

I think that they are about the same.

Different cartoons, but cartoons.

And... there is a reason that I favor Cygnar over the rest. (If I could field a decent army with just Trenchers and long gunners then I would.)

Khador isn't bad either.

The Auld Grump

Vlads shoulder pads would beg to differ :-)

 cincydooley wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
I find it ironic that anybody that thinks WARMACHINE is cartoony likes WH40K miniatures.

Why? They're two very different design aesthetics. While they both use deformed 'Heroic' scale, Privateer took the idea and ramped it up even further than most other companies have ever done so. Everything's all massive shoulders and hands and tiny legs.

They're both cartoony styles, but Privateer is cartoonier.

Honestly?

I think that they are about the same.

Different cartoons, but cartoons.

And... there is a reason that I favor Cygnar over the rest. (If I could field a decent army with just Trenchers and long gunners then I would.)

Khador isn't bad either.

The Auld Grump

Vlads shoulder pads would beg to differ :-)

You know... I have never faced Vlad.

The old Witch, yes. Sorscha, all the freakin' time. The Butcher, oh yeah. Vlad... who's he?

Been a year since last I played though - playing Kings of War, mostly, these days.

The Auld Grump, been longer since I played any GW game other than Mordheim.

 CIsaac wrote:


She spent $80 on a starter and an infantry squad and she's already got a small, playable army, with another $12 spent on a mini Rulebook from eBay. She wants to add a squad of Burrowers and one large Dire Troll and that'll top her spending off at about $140. Similar amounts spent for GW doesn't get you anywhere close with an Ork army.

Hey buddy, might want to research your point before you make it.

A Warhammer fantasy army worth $140 can look like this:

Orc Battalion
-20 Goblins
-15 Orc Boys
-10 Spider Riders
-5 Boar Boys

+£18 icing on the cake, say a box of Boys.

You've now got 50 models and only require some sort of Lord or whatever to get playing. This is at non-discount prices. When I do large orders, I always do it at discount prices. Correct if I am wrong but is that not more models than your GF's army has?

Unless you're genuinely focused on the competitive side of the hobby and want to get playing right away there's plenty of time to be building and creating the army before you get the rulebook.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 CIsaac wrote:


She spent $80 on a starter and an infantry squad and she's already got a small, playable army, with another $12 spent on a mini Rulebook from eBay. She wants to add a squad of Burrowers and one large Dire Troll and that'll top her spending off at about $140. Similar amounts spent for GW doesn't get you anywhere close with an Ork army.

Hey buddy, might want to research your point before you make it.

A Warhammer fantasy army worth $140 can look like this:

Orc Battalion
-20 Goblins
-15 Orc Boys
-10 Spider Riders
-5 Boar Boys

+£18 icing on the cake, say a box of Boys.

You've now got 50 models and only require some sort of Lord or whatever to get playing. This is at non-discount prices. When I do large orders, I always do it at discount prices. Correct if I am wrong but is that not more models than your GF's army has?

Unless you're genuinely focused on the competitive side of the hobby and want to get playing right away there's plenty of time to be building and creating the army before you get the rulebook.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't orcs come 10 per box, so to get 15 you would in fact have to buy two boxes?. And have boar boyz been repackaged with 5 per box? I think they used to be three per box.

Would you mind giving a better break down on that price with MSRP, as I haven't bought WHFB for quite a while?

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 CIsaac wrote:


She spent $80 on a starter and an infantry squad and she's already got a small, playable army, with another $12 spent on a mini Rulebook from eBay. She wants to add a squad of Burrowers and one large Dire Troll and that'll top her spending off at about $140. Similar amounts spent for GW doesn't get you anywhere close with an Ork army.

Hey buddy, might want to research your point before you make it.

A Warhammer fantasy army worth $140 can look like this:

Orc Battalion
-20 Goblins
-15 Orc Boys
-10 Spider Riders
-5 Boar Boys

+£18 icing on the cake, say a box of Boys.

You've now got 50 models and only require some sort of Lord or whatever to get playing. This is at non-discount prices. When I do large orders, I always do it at discount prices. Correct if I am wrong but is that not more models than your GF's army has?

Unless you're genuinely focused on the competitive side of the hobby and want to get playing right away there's plenty of time to be building and creating the army before you get the rulebook.

The difference is that once his GF adds the Dire Troll and the Burrowers she is at a 35pt army and can actually play a standard tournament (Not a 50pt but still) 35pts is about the same as a 1500pt 40k army when it comes to tournament size.

xraytango wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 CIsaac wrote:


She spent $80 on a starter and an infantry squad and she's already got a small, playable army, with another $12 spent on a mini Rulebook from eBay. She wants to add a squad of Burrowers and one large Dire Troll and that'll top her spending off at about $140. Similar amounts spent for GW doesn't get you anywhere close with an Ork army.

Hey buddy, might want to research your point before you make it.

A Warhammer fantasy army worth $140 can look like this:

Orc Battalion
-20 Goblins
-15 Orc Boys
-10 Spider Riders
-5 Boar Boys

+£18 icing on the cake, say a box of Boys.

You've now got 50 models and only require some sort of Lord or whatever to get playing. This is at non-discount prices. When I do large orders, I always do it at discount prices. Correct if I am wrong but is that not more models than your GF's army has?

Unless you're genuinely focused on the competitive side of the hobby and want to get playing right away there's plenty of time to be building and creating the army before you get the rulebook.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but don't orcs come 10 per box, so to get 15 you would in fact have to buy two boxes?. And have boar boyz been repackaged with 5 per box? I think they used to be three per box.

Would you mind giving a better break down on that price with MSRP, as I haven't bought WHFB for quite a while?

I believe he was listing the contents of the Battalion set.



What Darefsky said. The Warmahordes force there is a tournament-sized force, and games that sized are tactically engaging and fairly deep.

The Hero model for that Orc Battalion will be an additional $15 or $20 if it's an Orc (though only additional $9 if it's a Goblin) , and that army will still be sub-1000 points, which is pretty tiny for a Warhammer army, and Warhammer does not scale down well at all. 40K is generally a bit better at smaller points values than Fantasy is, though.


And I've said it a thousand damn times before, and I'll say it a thousand more times: Warhammer is cheaper for collectors, Warmahordes is cheaper for people who just want to play the damn game.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 CIsaac wrote:


She spent $80 on a starter and an infantry squad and she's already got a small, playable army, with another $12 spent on a mini Rulebook from eBay. She wants to add a squad of Burrowers and one large Dire Troll and that'll top her spending off at about $140. Similar amounts spent for GW doesn't get you anywhere close with an Ork army.

Hey buddy, might want to research your point before you make it.

A Warhammer fantasy army worth $140 can look like this:

Orc Battalion
-20 Goblins
-15 Orc Boys
-10 Spider Riders
-5 Boar Boys

+£18 icing on the cake, say a box of Boys.

You've now got 50 models and only require some sort of Lord or whatever to get playing. This is at non-discount prices. When I do large orders, I always do it at discount prices. Correct if I am wrong but is that not more models than your GF's army has?

Unless you're genuinely focused on the competitive side of the hobby and want to get playing right away there's plenty of time to be building and creating the army before you get the rulebook.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you realized you proved his point, right? I'm not entirely sure what starter they got for $80 (the troll faction starter is $50), but it's certainly reasonable to have a tournament level army (in points value) in WM/H for $140. What you listed above is indeed more models, but as was pointed out before, you're comparing mass produced injection molded plastic kits for a mass battle game with a mix of restic and metal models for a skirmish game. Of course you get more injection molded plastic for your dollar: if you didn't it would be an outrage.

By the way, you seem to have left some things out: the Orc Battalion is missing some important bits, things like... the rules to pay the game. Let's assume you can pick up a pocket rule book from... whatever the stater is for fantasy, but you need the rules for the unit themselves... which is a $45 hardback.

Now, you might object, is it fair to say that, after all, his wife didn't buy a forces of "Hordes: Trollbloods" book, now did he? Ah, but alas for that objection... he didn't need to.

So your comparison is;
Orc Battalion $115
Orc Army Book $45

We're already at $160 and in need of an army HQ and the rules for the game(!). Even after he picks those up, he's nowhere near the standard play level of points for WHFB.

So... he kinda was exactly right. Getting a full army going in WM/H from nothing is, indeed, much much cheaper then WHFB.

Oh, well that makes a bit more sense then. Though it might be a more playable army under 3rd or 4th edition as 8th seems like it plays better with more figures, from what I've seen.

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 CIsaac wrote:


She spent $80 on a starter and an infantry squad and she's already got a small, playable army, with another $12 spent on a mini Rulebook from eBay. She wants to add a squad of Burrowers and one large Dire Troll and that'll top her spending off at about $140. Similar amounts spent for GW doesn't get you anywhere close with an Ork army.

Hey buddy, might want to research your point before you make it.

A Warhammer fantasy army worth $140 can look like this:

Orc Battalion
-20 Goblins
-15 Orc Boys
-10 Spider Riders
-5 Boar Boys

+£18 icing on the cake, say a box of Boys.

You've now got 50 models and only require some sort of Lord or whatever to get playing. This is at non-discount prices. When I do large orders, I always do it at discount prices. Correct if I am wrong but is that not more models than your GF's army has?

Unless you're genuinely focused on the competitive side of the hobby and want to get playing right away there's plenty of time to be building and creating the army before you get the rulebook.

Hey, buddy.

I never said it was 40K or Fantasy. You presumed wrong, and it was 40K. $140 gets her:

$20 for a mini-rulebook from eBay.
$33 for her Codex (minus 25% from a nearby LGS - $24.75)
$110 for an Ork Battleforce (minus 25% again - $82.50)
(3 Bikers, 20 Boyz, a Trukk)
$22.25 for Warboss w/Squig (she loves squigs, it'd be this one - $16.70)

(note, she still doesn't have templates or a scatter die of her own at this point)

That's $144 USD. (discount factored in)

This gets it playable in a Combat Patrol level event and gives you the rules. If she wanted to invest more, just to use fliers (for instance) it'd require a $33 investment in Death from the Skies as she's playing Orks and that's the only place for their new, legal rules. Then there's the cost of filling out the army as a whole.

Now, Trollbloods:
Trollbloods Starter: (LGS does 25% of PP too) $37.50
Trollkin Scouts (they're carrying bacon around; couldn't argue with her): $37.50
Mini Rulebook off eBay: $12.50
Templates: $7.50
Pygmy Burrowers: $33.75
Troll Blitzer/Bomber/Mauler Plastic Kit: $26.25

That comes to $155 USD. $11 difference. Plus, with templates she has everything she needs to actually play. You could even forgo the mini rulebook as the rules sheet in the box set is fairly thorough. That'd even out the costs.

Now, here's the real difference (and what really caused her to change her mind):

How much does it cost to make a 1500 point army for Orks vs a 35 point army for Trollbloods? Well, for the Trollbloods it's not terribly much. Madrak + the starter box is 10 points. The scouts are 8 I believe. most heavy warbeasts/jacks are 8-9. Add the Pygmies and we're already there. Toss in a solo or UA as filler and you're finished (and we could easily switch out one squad box for another if we were more WAAC, but probably won't due to taste).

How much does it cost to get to 1500 for the Space Orks? A lot more.

Oh and BTW, Trollbloods is one of the more expensive factions in WM/H, the warbeasts are not the cheapest...

 darefsky wrote:
Oh and BTW, Trollbloods is one of the more expensive factions in WM/H, the warbeasts are not the cheapest...

Their warbeasts (barring the metals) are actually the same price as everyone elses ($35 MSRP for the plastic heavy kit). It's the infantry where things get sticky, due to 90% of the army being metal and on terminator-sized bases.