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 Revenent Reiko wrote:
It looks like a decent enough list Motyak, the CRAP (Chain Rifle + Assault pistol) SAS is considered to be the best of the choices for the SAS (and you can take 4 of them ), adn T2 Sniper Rifle is an absolute beast (just be careful not to waste the single Combat Camo attack you get), you have some order monkeys and a heavy weapon to crack open any tough nuts...so overall not bad at all.

I would say however, that i think your Lt is pretty obvious (think the Volunteer Lt option has a rifle no?) and that may come back to bite you. Can you afford (with that last 4 points) to upgrade one of the Volunteers to having a rifle? This would also help give you something else in your list to be effective at mid range (something you may be lacking), you have plenty of Chain Rifles for short range, and an AP HMG and a T2 Sniper for long, but you are decidedly short on anything in between.

Overall though, damn good first list...

I made it after looking at the helpful tactica you linked to, so I'm familiar with the term CRAP from that, and how highly he considers them. And that is a good idea, I think it is 2 points more for a rifle, so I can swap out 2 chain rifles for rifles on the volunteers to spread around Lt suspicion. And rifles will give me more mid range play, correct?

CALEDONIAN HIGHLANDER ARMY
GROUP 1 (Regs: 7/Irrs: 1):

CATERAN T2 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW (29 | 1)

2x VOLUNTEER Rifle / Pistol, Knife (8)


2x VOLUNTEER Chain Rifle, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife (6)


HIGHLANDER GREY AP HMG, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW (40 | 1.5)


HIGHLANDER GREY Lieutenant Rifle, 2 Light Shotguns, Grenades, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, CCW (30)


S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW (23)



150 Points | SWC: 2.5

2 rifles in that link team now so that there is suspicion and a wee bit more range. Also, against a regular opponent I can always designate one of the volunteers as the Lt (same cost and loadout) and the Grey as a regular Grey (again, same cost and loadout) to throw them when they get used to it.

Glad the tactica helped you, i am PMing tesco (along with Penemue and the writers of the other Tacticas on the Main forum) tomorrow/tonight to see if they mind me linking/copy+pasting (or just creating an account themselves, we will see) their tactica over here so everyone can see and enjoy them

I like the new list, the rifles add a little something in that realm where the HMG isnt as useful and the Chain Rifles are out of range. Having the Rifle variants also helps hide the LT a bit yes (unless i am wrong in thinking that its the rifle loadout of the Volunteers that has the LT option? I cant remember and am workblocked so cant check). Also, see if you can have a look at the weapon range brackets to see what completemetns what (note: im not as familiar with these as i should be so pinch of salt and all that..)

If/when you move to 200 points, your first port of call is to give that link team some heavier punch btw, with just Rifles and Chain Rifles you may find yourself lacking something to take out tough enemies. Of course, YMMV, but a HMG or RL or something along those lines would be welcome (and would push the link to 5, giving you the coveted +3BS). Most people would say not to try out a link on your first game as they can be quite complicated, but thats up to you...you wont have to learn the hacking rules (unless you use Mercs, switch/add a faction...or you use some Galwegians ) so it may be the most complicated thing you have to contend with at this stage and wont be a problem.

Otherwise, i stil like it as a beginner list, and something good to build on form there, nice work Motyak and welcome to infinity!

Thanks, I'll buy it up reeeeeally gradually, and sometime towards the end of the year there will be a batrep with painted models. I'm being realistic here, it won't be soon that I report in with my models and what not ha.

At higher point levels, I was going to buff up to two full link squads (Greys and Volunteers) with a smattering of support, but that is a long way off, and I could end up wanting to run a horde of Gallwegians instead I kid

oh, and you were accurate, the Lt option is the rifle for the volunteers

Haha yeah i know that feeling, i bought the Ariadna deal from shae-Konnit back in September and havent even assembled them yet (mostly due to lack of painting skills, doenst mean i havent spent hours drooling over them....).

Looking forward to the Batrep!

Not a bad choice at all! Bear in mind you can only have one link team linked at any one time (we arent Tohaa/ALEPH/Haqq although the Haris skill is rumoured to be being added to other factions at a later date), so the members of the other need to be able to perform effectively while not linked until the other link is broken (think that makes sense...). haha the Galwegian rush does look like fun to play a couple of times i have to say...and proxies are encouraged, so after you have gotten this force together and added a couple of other models you like (lets not play around, its going to happen... ) you may end up with enough to play the horde anyway...Wulvers are another option for a potent (but expensive in points) Link team as well, and with the box set pretty much guaranteed to come out this month they may be a slightly cheaper (real money) option as well...

Excellent! good to know my mind doesnt play tricks on me all the time...the other thing i didnt realise was that you have to declare the WIP of your LT when you roll off to start, so the potential LTs would need to have the same WIP for the deception to work...thankfully they doo so its all good....

Remember, don't feel bad about proxying models from other ranges when you are first getting started. It will help you get a feel for what you like and don't like before you start buying.

Just a forwarning, I have heard the I'm a veteran gamer and I like a high learning curve... a few million times. Play some very very basic games at first. Basic guys versus basic guys, with very little special rules. That way you can focus on just the core mechanics of the game before anything "weird" starts hitting you. Deployment, Cover, modifiers, crits, and FtF rolls are core mechanics of the game that if you don't fully master them right out the gate then you will likely get frustrated even as a 10 year veteran war gamer. Once you do master the basics though, your mind will be effing blown at the level of complexity and options available to you. Nothing makes me happier as a Infinity tutor then seeing that "click" moment with a player and they are then glued to the wiki/army builder.

So proxying isn't as frowned upon in Infinity where you guys are? I'll have to check at my local store to see if that is the case. If it is, it'll mean I can learn the rules far sooner than I hoped.

 BlueDagger wrote:

Just a forwarning, I have heard the I'm a veteran gamer and I like a high learning curve... a few million times.

Oh yes, I meant that more to stop anyone trying to dissuade me from playing highlanders because 'they aren't that good' or something along those lines, similar to how players are warned off of Wood Elves if they are brand new because they 'aren't that good and thus have a very high learning curve'.

 BlueDagger wrote:
Play some very very basic games at first.

That is the intention, apart from link teams the rest of my army seems to be a smattering of skills which is how I like to play initially, having one of everything (irregular, frenzy, camo, infiltrate, etc.) to learn how rules interact and function. I shy away from large, complicated battles initially because I'll make too many errors and learn things incorrectly.

Proxies are explicitly encouraged by CB....and i dont have a gaming group ( ) so cant comment on whether or not that attitude is accepted around here im afraid, sorry(although it should be because...well, see above ).

Luckily, as you will hear a lot, all the factions are superbly balanced so far, and there really isnt such a thing as 'not good', there is just 'suboptimal' and even that is mainly just the opinion of a particular person (there are generally regarded opinions as well, but the varying tactics different people use means that what may be amazing for one person may suck for someone else and vice versa)

good plan again on the learning front, thats the way i want to do it....

 motyak wrote:
So proxying isn't as frowned upon in Infinity where you guys are? I'll have to check at my local store to see if that is the case. If it is, it'll mean I can learn the rules far sooner than I hoped.

Yeah proxying is no real issue for friendly play unlike most other games. My first few games where with Eldar lol. When it comes to official tournaments proxies aren't allowed unless there isn't a model out for that unit yet. In that case it's 100% legal to use another model from the Infinity of similar size and preferably similar weaponry.

 motyak wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:

Just a forwarning, I have heard the I'm a veteran gamer and I like a high learning curve... a few million times.

Oh yes, I meant that more to stop anyone trying to dissuade me from playing highlanders because 'they aren't that good' or something along those lines, similar to how players are warned off of Wood Elves if they are brand new because they 'aren't that good and thus have a very high learning curve'.

Heh, funny enough I can stand by this statement 100% "Nothing in Infinity sucks or is bad". There is some thing that depending on the mission are better then others, but there is nothing you pick up that will be useless or underpowered. Not 100% sure how they pull it off, but they have a magical formula that keeps everything extremely balanced even internally within the factions. Most people suggest not going a sectorial right off the bat because link teams being a very complex set of rules.

 motyak wrote:

 BlueDagger wrote:
Play some very very basic games at first.

That is the intention, apart from link teams the rest of my army seems to be a smattering of skills which is how I like to play initially, having one of everything (irregular, frenzy, camo, infiltrate, etc.) to learn how rules interact and function. I shy away from large, complicated battles initially because I'll make too many errors and learn things incorrectly.

Your first 2 games you should try something like the following vs an opponent with the same very very basic models. That way you have time to focus on the before mentioned basics. Don't do a link team, just keep the volunteers as solo guys. If you have any model from another game system use those for the time being.

Ariadna - Caledonian Highlander Army | 6 models
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Volunteer Chain (6|0)
Volunteer Rifle (8|0)
Volunteer Lieutenant (8|0)
Volunteer HMG (20|0.5)
112 Doctor (12|0)
Cateran Sniper (25|0.5)
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79/300 points | 1/6 swc
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