Woman hiding with kids shoots intruder

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**Lordhat**

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/nTm7s/

LOGANVILLE, Ga. — A woman hiding in her attic with children shot an intruder multiple times before fleeing to safety Friday.

The incident happened at a home on Henderson Ridge Lane in Loganville around 1 p.m. The woman was working in an upstairs office when she spotted a strange man outside a window, according to Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman. He said she took her 9-year-old twins to a crawlspace before the man broke in using a crowbar.

But the man eventually found the family.

"The perpetrator opens that door. Of course, at that time he's staring at her, her two children and a .38 revolver," Chapman told Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh.

The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said. He said the woman ran out of bullets but threatened to shoot the intruder if he moved.

"She's standing over him, and she realizes she's fired all six rounds. And the guy's telling her to quit shooting," Chapman said.

The woman ran to a neighbor's home with her children. The intruder attempted to flee in his car but crashed into a wooded area and collapsed in a nearby driveway, Chapman said.

Deputies arrested 32-year-old Atlanta resident Paul Slater in connection with the crime. Chapman said they found him on the ground saying, "Help me. I'm close to dying." Slater was taken to Gwinnett Medical Center for treatment. Chapman said Slater was shot in the face and neck.

In February, Slater was arrested on simple battery charges, according to the Gwinnett County Sheriff's Office. He has been arrested six other times in the county since 2008.

Kavanaugh was the first reporter at the scene as deputies investigated. The victim's husband told Kavanaugh he's proud of his wife. He was on the phone with her as the intruder broke in.

"My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner," Donnie Herman said.

He said he's thankful for his family's safety.

"Her life is saved, and her kids' life is saved, and that's all I'd like to say," Herman said.
Channel 2’s Amy Napier Viteri learned from Chapman late Friday night that slater has been placed on a ventilator and suffers from punctured lungs, a punctured liver and a punctured stomach.
He said if Slater survives the night, doctors will try to operate in the morning to repair the damage.
Chapman said Slater has four exit wounds.
Slater is currently being charged with burglary.

**Necroshea**

I wonder how long until people spin the story around and make her a bad person for using that gun.

**Ahtman**

Necroshea wrote:
I wonder how long until people spin the story around and make her a bad person for using that gun.

Or how long it will take either side to use it as a political stepping stone.

**hotsauceman1**

Necroshea wrote:
I wonder how long until people spin the story around and make her a bad person for using that gun.

Sorry, I'm late
What do you want me to say?
Hmm, How about
"She could have damaged the kids hearing she should have let them be taken"
or
"She scared the kids for life"

**KalashnikovMarine**

One of many stories that won't get media coverage this year

**stokecity_m**

She needs a gun that holds more bullets.

**Palindrome**

Ahtman wrote:

Or how long it will take either side to use it as a political stepping stone.

Well in this thread managed to get as far as the OP before that happened.

I didn't realise that a "responsable, prepared gun owner" was supposed to fire off the entire mag apparently in a panic.

**Ahtman**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
One of many stories that won't get media coverage this year

Other than, of course, the story you just read.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Ahtman wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
One of many stories that won't get media coverage this year

Other than, of course, the story you just read.

Cause that's ALL OVER the national news.

I mean damn without a small local channel letting us know that firearms save hundreds of thousands of lives ever year you'd almost think the big channels that have millions of viewers are pushing an agenda or something.

Palindrome even cops tend to drain the mag in a life or death situation. Welcome to adrenaline, your first instinct is to shoot whatever the hell is trying to hurt you and it's friends till they stop twitching. It takes decades of training and usually learning the hard way to compensate for that.

**JohnnoM**

Palindrome wrote:
Ahtman wrote:

Or how long it will take either side to use it as a political stepping stone.

Well in this thread managed to get as far as the OP before that happened.

I didn't realise that a "responsable, prepared gun owner" was supposed to fire off the entire mag apparently in a panic.

I agree, she had no reason to empty the entire mag into the guy, stand over him and threaten to continue shooting. Family or no family, 5 shots is too much.

**Peregrine**

JohnnoM wrote:
I agree, she had no reason to empty the entire mag into the guy, stand over him and threaten to continue shooting. Family or no family, 5 shots is too much.

Actually it wasn't enough since the guy lived. It's simple: is the threat still potentially a threat? If so, shoot them again until they cease to be a threat.

And nothing in here says that she stood over him and continued to shoot while he was helpless and surrendered (which would be murder or attempted murder depending on whether he survives), it just says that she threatened to shoot again if he did anything but lie there and make no attempt to harm her or the children. That's entirely justified when dealing with an armed intruder in your house, and just common sense.

hotsauceman1 wrote:
"She could have damaged the kids hearing she should have let them be taken"

This is why responsible gun owners put a suppressor on their gun, especially when shooting indoors.

(But that would be illegal, since preventing hearing damage is a crime against humanity!)

**JohnnoM**

Peregrine wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
I agree, she had no reason to empty the entire mag into the guy, stand over him and threaten to continue shooting. Family or no family, 5 shots is too much.

Actually it wasn't enough since the guy lived. It's simple: is the threat still potentially a threat? If so, shoot them again until they cease to be a threat.

Yes, because a man who is lying on the ground, and has been shot 5 times is quite the threat.

**KalashnikovMarine**

JohnnoM wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
I agree, she had no reason to empty the entire mag into the guy, stand over him and threaten to continue shooting. Family or no family, 5 shots is too much.

Actually it wasn't enough since the guy lived. It's simple: is the threat still potentially a threat? If so, shoot them again until they cease to be a threat.

Yes, because a man who is lying on the ground, and has been shot 5 times is quite the threat.

Spoken like a man who's never been in any kind of fight or been on the wrong end of a threat situation in his life.

Peregrine makes a good point, this mother should have had easy access to a suppressor for that pistol for the sake of the children.

**Peregrine**

JohnnoM wrote:
Yes, because a man who is lying on the ground, and has been shot 5 times is quite the threat.

And you'll notice that she didn't shoot him again once he had been shot five times and was lying on the ground making no aggressive moves. She merely threatened to shoot again as she ended the incident and removed herself and her children from the house. That is the sensible thing to do when you've just dealt with an armed intruder who might have a gun of his own and be tempted to use it.

**hotsauceman1**

JohnnoM wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
I agree, she had no reason to empty the entire mag into the guy, stand over him and threaten to continue shooting. Family or no family, 5 shots is too much.

Actually it wasn't enough since the guy lived. It's simple: is the threat still potentially a threat? If so, shoot them again until they cease to be a threat.

Yes, because a man who is lying on the ground, and has been shot 5 times is quite the threat.

But he did get away, He somehow got to the Car. Who knows how many rounds went into him(It didnt say all 5 went in)

**JohnnoM**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
I agree, she had no reason to empty the entire mag into the guy, stand over him and threaten to continue shooting. Family or no family, 5 shots is too much.

Actually it wasn't enough since the guy lived. It's simple: is the threat still potentially a threat? If so, shoot them again until they cease to be a threat.

Yes, because a man who is lying on the ground, and has been shot 5 times is quite the threat.

But he did get away, He somehow got to the Car. Who knows how many rounds went into him(It didnt say all 5 went in)

He only got away because the woman ran to her neighbour's house with the children. Who knows, he might have just crawled or stumbled away. It also says he was shot in the neck and face which could quite easily incapacitate somebody.

**KalashnikovMarine**

JohnnoM wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
I agree, she had no reason to empty the entire mag into the guy, stand over him and threaten to continue shooting. Family or no family, 5 shots is too much.

Actually it wasn't enough since the guy lived. It's simple: is the threat still potentially a threat? If so, shoot them again until they cease to be a threat.

Yes, because a man who is lying on the ground, and has been shot 5 times is quite the threat.

But he did get away, He somehow got to the Car. Who knows how many rounds went into him(It didnt say all 5 went in)

He only got away because the woman ran to her neighbour's house with the children. Who knows, he might have just crawled or stumbled away. It also says he was shot in the neck and face which could quite easily incapacitate somebody.

Or do nothing at all. The human body is fascinating like that. An EMT buddy of mine on the east coast took a gunshot wound in where the guy'd been shot dead center and a little above his eyes, the 9mm round failed to penetrate his skull and gave him a nasty cut but that was it.

As "easy" as people say it is to kill someone with a gun, outside of a couple very small specific areas, it's surprisingly hard to kill people with a gun.

**Peregrine**

JohnnoM wrote:
He only got away because the woman ran to her neighbour's house with the children. Who knows, he might have just crawled or stumbled away. It also says he was shot in the neck and face which could quite easily incapacitate somebody.

So what you're saying is that in a matter of seconds in an extremely stressful encounter in which you just shot someone in self defense you are able to instantly determine how severely you've injured the person you shot, evaluate their chances of fighting back if you give them an opening, and take the precise ideal action depending on those injuries with an emphasis on not causing any unnecessary harm (like the emotional pain of being threatened with a gun by the person you just committed a crime against) to the poor victim?

Or of course you could be sensible and just point the gun at them and say "don't move, I'm calling the police".

**SlaveToDorkness**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
I agree, she had no reason to empty the entire mag into the guy, stand over him and threaten to continue shooting. Family or no family, 5 shots is too much.

Actually it wasn't enough since the guy lived. It's simple: is the threat still potentially a threat? If so, shoot them again until they cease to be a threat.

Yes, because a man who is lying on the ground, and has been shot 5 times is quite the threat.

Spoken like a man who's never seen a Bruce Willis or Friday the 13th movie.

Peregrine makes a good point, this mother should have had easy access to a suppressor for that pistol for the sake of the children.

Fixed that for you!

Someone breaks into my house, they get all 10 unless they stop moving or have a fellow bullet receptacle along with them.

**Vulcan**

Palindrome wrote:
Ahtman wrote:

Or how long it will take either side to use it as a political stepping stone.

Well in this thread managed to get as far as the OP before that happened.

I didn't realise that a "responsable, prepared gun owner" was supposed to fire off the entire mag apparently in a panic.

That's what you took away from this? That she paniced and fired off the entire magazine?

AFTER noticing someone breaking in.

AFTER gathering her kids and hiding, potentially ceeding all of her belongings to a burglar to avoid a confrontation?

AFTER being found by a determined attacker.

YOU pick on the poor woman for loosing track of the number of shots she had in an incredibly stressful situation?

I'd like to see how YOU perform in a similar situation. Odds are you'd not handle it that well.

**Monster Rain**

Of course they're going to pick on her, Vulcan.

They're trolling.

**Piston Honda**

She should have offered him cookies and milk, then give the intruder a tour of the house highlighting where all the valuables are kept

**Seaward**

stokecity_m wrote:She needs a gun that holds more bullets.

Yes, she does, actually. She had a six-shot .38 Special revolver. She emptied the gun fending off one guy. What if there had been two? A lot of people who've never shot a gun before labor under the notion that you'll only ever need one bullet, maybe two, to stop a threat. They somehow seem to miss the countless stories about cops managing to hit a guy twice out of 44 shots or whatever.

Piston Honda wrote:She should have offered him cookies and milk, then give the intruder a tour of the house highlighting where all the valuables are kept

This story took place in Georgia, not California.

**d-usa**

She caused him to operate a motor vehicle while suffering from hypovolemic shock. He could have run over somebody after passing out. She is a monster...

**KalashnikovMarine**

d-usa wrote:
She caused him to operate a motor vehicle while suffering from hypovolemic shock. He could have run over somebody after passing out. She is a monster...

Indeed, if only her pattern had been tighter and she'd done a proper job of things...

**Hordini**

Palindrome wrote:

I didn't realise that a "responsable, prepared gun owner" was supposed to fire off the entire mag apparently in a panic.

Most police officers are trained to empty the entire magazine, and they have pistols with a lot more than six shots. It sounds like she did the right thing in the situation.

**SoloFalcon1138**

good for her. Her kids will live remembering what their mother did to keep them safe.

**Relapse**

JohnnoM wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
JohnnoM wrote:
I agree, she had no reason to empty the entire mag into the guy, stand over him and threaten to continue shooting. Family or no family, 5 shots is too much.

Actually it wasn't enough since the guy lived. It's simple: is the threat still potentially a threat? If so, shoot them again until they cease to be a threat.

Yes, because a man who is lying on the ground, and has been shot 5 times is quite the threat.

But he did get away, He somehow got to the Car. Who knows how many rounds went into him(It didnt say all 5 went in)

He only got away because the woman ran to her neighbour's house with the children. Who knows, he might have just crawled or stumbled away. It also says he was shot in the neck and face which could quite easily incapacitate somebody.

Gotta tell ya, bud, just to point out an obvious fact, he was able to stumble to his car and drive away. He could have just as easily pulled a gun of his own while he lay there and shot the woman and her kids. She would have been justified pumping twice that many bullets into him if she were able toeliminate that possibility.
Kalishnikov has it right when he says the people condenming her filling the guy full are talking like people that have never been in a live or die situation.

**BolingbrokeIV**

Ahtman wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
One of many stories that won't get media coverage this year

Other than, of course, the story you just read.

**Relapse**

Glorioski wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
One of many stories that won't get media coverage this year

Other than, of course, the story you just read.

He did clarify to say he meant major media coverage. It's a news blip compared to a criminal shooting someone because it goes against the agenda of the major news orginizations. There are a lot of things out there easily as dangerous or more dangerous than guns. A while back, a drunk driver in Kentucky ran into a bus and caused 27 kids to burn to death, but there was never the coverage for that as there is for gun crime.