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This video was put out in response to the celebrity video against guns:

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=vCwz8FIV2l4

It won't let me watch the video.

1.) Hypocrite has an E at the end.

2.) The URL should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCwz8FIV2l4

 Ouze wrote:
1.) Hypocrite has an E at the end.

Are you sure? Maybe they're hypocrits means they rolled a natural 20 and are dealing double hypocrisy.

Perhaps a hypocrit is something a lucky Painboy scores with a syringe in CC.

I didn't realize that actors and actresses had to play characters that reflect there real life values, I don't own any guns but I sometimes watch and enjoy movies that feature gun violence am I hypocrite too?

 Ouze wrote:
1.) Hypocrite has an E at the end.

2.) The URL should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCwz8FIV2l4

My bad.

Despite being against heavy gun control, have to say, having the argument of Hollywood celebs being hypocrites for wanting to ban guns because they use them in movies is erroneous.

Think the mass majority of people could seperate the 2 ideas of a fantasy in movies and reality.

A Celeb calling to ban guns why he or she himself owns a gun would be hypocritical.

I wonder how many have armed guards. I think the concept is that on one hand they say guns are bad, and on the other they star in movies that glorify guns.

I'm strongly against people installing McAfee Antivirus, but install it all day long as a part of my job (well, up until recently).

 Ouze wrote:
I'm strongly against people installing McAfee Antivirus, but install it all day long as a part of my job (well, up until recently).

You damned hypocrite.

Fair rap, in this case.

 Ouze wrote:
Fair rap, in this case.

I'll let it go this time.

Relapse wrote:
I wonder how many have armed guards.

Percent? Wouldn't know.

I'm sure more than a few, this would be a reason to call them a hypocrite. Not an act in a movie.

I have seen a number of celebs out in public. Jay Leno and Clint Eastwood didn't have a body guard.


Jay Leno gave me a high 5 at a deli.

EDIT: Would like to call someone a hypocrite on a individual level rather than grouping all of Hollywood.

Are some of the celebrities in the videos who are using guns in movies while portraying law enforcement characters also hypocrites?

i.e Jamie Foxx in Django, sure, but what about Jamie Foxx as an FBI agent in The Kingdom?

Is it possible to show gunplay in a movie without glorifying guns?

 Piston Honda wrote:

Relapse wrote:
I wonder how many have armed guards.

Percent? Wouldn't know.

I'm sure more than a few, this would be a reason to call them a hypocrite. Not an act in a movie.

I have seen a number of celebs out in public. Jay Leno and Clint Eastwood didn't have a body guard.


Jay Leno gave me a high 5 at a deli.

The one that really pissed me off with this is Rosie O'Donnell after she ambushed Tom Selleck about his stand on guns. Turns out she has multiple armed guards.

I find it amusing that many of the "examples of hypocricy" were the actors being killed, not doing any killing.
As if a gun being used to kill a famous actor is glorifying the gun.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I didn't realize that actors and actresses had to play characters that reflect there real life values, I don't own any guns but I sometimes watch and enjoy movies that feature gun violence am I hypocrite too?

That is a case, But many of those videos showed Actors hunting or at a gun range, Not in character and cleary enjoying it.
And if those actors where so against gun violence, why did they star in movies that portray it?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
I didn't realize that actors and actresses had to play characters that reflect there real life values, I don't own any guns but I sometimes watch and enjoy movies that feature gun violence am I hypocrite too?

That is a case, But many of those videos showed Actors hunting or at a gun range, Not in character and cleary enjoying it.
And if those actors where so against gun violence, why did they star in movies that portray it?

Because movies aren't real life? I enjoy my games to be full of Grim Darkness and Only War. I do not support Grim Darkness and Only War in my real, day to day life however.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
I didn't realize that actors and actresses had to play characters that reflect there real life values, I don't own any guns but I sometimes watch and enjoy movies that feature gun violence am I hypocrite too?

That is a case, But many of those videos showed Actors hunting or at a gun range, Not in character and cleary enjoying it.
And if those actors where so against gun violence, why did they star in movies that portray it?

I'm pretty sure that hunting scene is from a movie and also many actors enjoy taking on the role of a character that are very different from there real-life selves it should be obvious to most people that Jamie Foxx isn't actually a slave from the 1800's going out to rescue his wife after he get's

his freedom, movies do not equal reality nor does what make sense in the movie's context necessarily make sense in real-life.


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I guess you could say the Conan O'Brien part is hypocritical, although I don't know the passage of time with theses vids so maybe his views have changed with guns since that vid of him shooting it up with the smg.


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Actually there's nothing in the video that says they want to ban guns or have stricter gun laws all they ask is for the people and government to come up with a plan, so nobody's a hypocrite.

First up, there's a big difference between calling for more extensive gun control rules and the outright banning of guns.

But I think the bigger point is that is really faulty logic to claim a person is a hypocrite if they use a thing while arguing that their should be a change in the rules. I mean, yeah, if everyone has guns and you consider yourself a target (because you're rich and/or famous) then it makes sense to have a gun to protect yourself.

Calling someone a hypocrite in that situation is really no different to claiming someone is a hypocrite because, for instance, they favour massive reductions in taxes but still pay their own when they fall due. Or claiming a country is hypocritical for arguing for nuclear disarmament while continuing to own nuclear weapons.


Personally, I don't really even understand why it's necessary to invent reasons to dismiss celebrities when they voice political opinions. Who cares what someone who is famous for acting thinks about a political issue? So just say that 'this person has no more expertise or insight into this issue as any other random person on the street, and we need to ignore them to give more time to informed experts on gun use and gun violence.'

 Piston Honda wrote:
Despite being against heavy gun control, have to say, having the argument of Hollywood celebs being hypocrites for wanting to ban guns because they use them in movies is erroneous.

Think the mass majority of people could seperate the 2 ideas of a fantasy in movies and reality.

A Celeb calling to ban guns why he or she himself owns a gun would be hypocritical.

Its not erroneous. Many of these actors have come out for infringing everyone else's Second Amendment rights. yet they have full time ARMED security teams, and make their livings peddling violence.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
Despite being against heavy gun control, have to say, having the argument of Hollywood celebs being hypocrites for wanting to ban guns because they use them in movies is erroneous.

Think the mass majority of people could seperate the 2 ideas of a fantasy in movies and reality.

A Celeb calling to ban guns why he or she himself owns a gun would be hypocritical.

Its not erroneous. Many of these actors have come out for infringing everyone else's Second Amendment rights. yet they have full time ARMED security teams, and make their livings peddling violence.

That's my thought on the matter. Wanna reduce guns in civilian hands? Start with your security staff.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
Despite being against heavy gun control, have to say, having the argument of Hollywood celebs being hypocrites for wanting to ban guns because they use them in movies is erroneous.

Think the mass majority of people could seperate the 2 ideas of a fantasy in movies and reality.

A Celeb calling to ban guns why he or she himself owns a gun would be hypocritical.

Its not erroneous. Many of these actors have come out for infringing everyone else's Second Amendment rights. yet they have full time ARMED security teams, and make their livings peddling violence.

Yes it is, in the reason they are being called hypocrites in the original claim. The use of guns in movies.

As I clearly stated I have no issue with calling a celeb a hypocrite for wanting to ban guns when they are protected with guns, be it their own or body guard.

It is rather an askant view to hold if your position is "they use fake guns in a movie that is pure fantasy" but want to ban real guns, therefore they are hypocrites. I agree their (the celebs) position on gun control is rather fastidious. But It is rather difficult to call an actor a hypocrite when using a gun in a movie. In regards to being protected by a gun, rather easy.

The discussion on what laws (if any) for gun control needs to be delayed for a while. Good idea never seem to come out of an emption and angry group or person.

Piston didn't you realize? WE NEED ALL ALIENS TO LEAVE NOW! Never again will we watch Predator! Simply can't stand to watch these liberal Hollywood types fistfight an alien and get away with it! Dutch would have taken 2 hits max before he won. Challenge me otherwise.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
That's my thought on the matter. Wanna reduce guns in civilian hands? Start with your security staff.

Once again...

There is nothing hypocritical about playing by the rules of the game, while at the same wanting to change those rules.

Pretending otherwise would mean you would also have to believe a country is hypocritical for wanting nuclear disarmament while at the same time owning nuclear weapons. You would have to believe that a person is a hypocrite for arguing for less taxes while at the same time paying in full the taxes they are required to pay.


Seriously, you want to dismiss celebrities opinions on stuff? Point out they're just a bunch of folk who got famous for acting and singing and stuff, and their opinions should carry no more weight than any other random person on the street. You don't have to invent nonsense about hypocrisy to try and dismiss them.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Piston didn't you realize? WE NEED ALL ALIENS TO LEAVE NOW! Never again will we watch Predator! Simply can't stand to watch these liberal Hollywood types fistfight an alien and get away with it! Dutch would have taken 2 hits max before he won. Challenge me otherwise.

I'm personally more concerned how Hollywood abuses animals in movies. beverly hills chihuahua, Cats and Dogs, Air Bud. These movies are so bad they should be classified as animal abuse. At least the humans had the option of playing in a terrible movie. Animals have no choice and don't even know they are in a camel turd of a movie.

And lets not forget how Hollywood can botch a movie or a series by adding another one to it.

That's right Home Alone 4.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I didn't realize that actors and actresses had to play characters that reflect there real life values, I don't own any guns but I sometimes watch and enjoy movies that feature gun violence am I hypocrite too?

A hypocrite? No. According to some folks involved in Northeastern liberal politics, though, it does mean you're very likely the next spree killer.

 Seaward wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
I didn't realize that actors and actresses had to play characters that reflect there real life values, I don't own any guns but I sometimes watch and enjoy movies that feature gun violence am I hypocrite too?

A hypocrite? No. According to some folks involved in Northeastern liberal politics, though, it does mean you're very likely the next spree killer.

I've heard some interesting debates about violence in films some studies suggest that it increases violent tendencies in society but I've heard of other data saying that having some violence inflicted on the villain in children's films gives children a stronger sense of good and bad behaviour

as well as increasing obedience in the child.

Heavy Metal music also makes you worship Satan.