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 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
GW is fairly hopeless when it comes to diversity issues. They went from "Never have a dark-skinned person, ever" to "Well at least ONE chapter is black" to "Hmm that seems like maybe it's racist? I know, let's make our only diverse army into horrible coal-black FREAKS instead". I dunno how things work in the UK, but in America it does seem a bit weird that virtually every single model GW has ever painted is white.



They have painted black Imperial Gaurd. Maybe they just don't think non caucasian's can get to upper management like the space marines? Never understood why they didn't allow females. That would be easy but would make the tactical squad less convertible.

   
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 BluntmanDC wrote:

Well skin colour is a 'defect' in humans, seeing as humanity was originally dark skinned due to their African origins, this means that all other inherited skin colours were caused by genetic 'defects', or mutations, the fact that they survived shows that they were either not harmful or useful mutations.


Defect =/= mutation.

Heterochromia is a mutation. (A groovy one.)

Huntingtons Disease is a defect. (A not-groovy one.)


A mutation good or bad is by definition a defect, mutations are caused by the defective reproduction of DNA. Mutations cause cancer, that is hardly 'groovy'.

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 Archon Tobias wrote:
 TheCaptain wrote:
 Archon Tobias wrote:
I have always wondered.


"Racial diversity."

GW has never ACTUALLY seen a black person. Only heard rumors. Salamanders are the result.


Lol. Okay. Next time someone asks why there are no African Americans in 40k, I will quote this.


Black=/=African American

A black human who was born and raised in Cadia (Fresh Prince of the Eye of Terror? I'd watch that) would not be African, nor would they be American. They'd just be a Cadian who happens to be black.

Furthermore, there are plenty of black people on modern-day Earth who are not African American. You wouldn't call a Jamaican or Haitian African American, would you? Or a British person of African descent? Additionally, being of African heritage does not necessitate someone being black. My old boss was African-Canadian, and she was quite white.


Whoa, sorry man. I didn't mean anything offensive.
Back on topic:
So the salamanders are coal black because of a genetic defect cause by chaos, like how sanguinius grew wings?


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 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
GW is fairly hopeless when it comes to diversity issues. They went from "Never have a dark-skinned person, ever" to "Well at least ONE chapter is black" to "Hmm that seems like maybe it's racist? I know, let's make our only diverse army into horrible coal-black FREAKS instead". I dunno how things work in the UK, but in America it does seem a bit weird that virtually every single model GW has ever painted is white.


Unlike the US we don't actually care about skin colour, religion or political stance, what matters to us is whether the person is cool or a gakker.

GW Will mostly employ white people because the black population in the UK just isn't that large not because they are white supremacists, and your default when painting is to make your humans similar to yourself so a white person (hate using terms like this) will paint white marines.

Your looking for racial motivation where non exists, we just don't have the tensions in the UK you have in the US.
   
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hobojebus wrote:
 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
GW is fairly hopeless when it comes to diversity issues. They went from "Never have a dark-skinned person, ever" to "Well at least ONE chapter is black" to "Hmm that seems like maybe it's racist? I know, let's make our only diverse army into horrible coal-black FREAKS instead". I dunno how things work in the UK, but in America it does seem a bit weird that virtually every single model GW has ever painted is white.


Unlike the US we don't actually care about skin colour, religion or political stance, what matters to us is whether the person is cool or a gakker.

GW Will mostly employ white people because the black population in the UK just isn't that large not because they are white supremacists, and your default when painting is to make your humans similar to yourself so a white person (hate using terms like this) will paint white marines.

Your looking for racial motivation where non exists, we just don't have the tensions in the UK you have in the US.


Kinda bold calling out the entire United States, bud.

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I think it probably comes down to the fact that only 3.3% of the UK population is black (UK census 2011) and 12.6% of the US population is black, this may explain the seemingly low appearance of black models in the hobby to Americans, ultimately we can assume that due to the cost of the hobby probably there is more like 99% of hobbyists are white due to socio economic problems faced my ethnic minorities in both the UK and US who as immigrants and discrimination in school and workplace are more likely to struggle financially, so it would stand to reason that 99% of models shown will be more than likely painted to be the same race as the painter, and since most of the hobbiests are white we get a larger then demographically average amount of white models.

In the end it just comes down to games workshop targeting their main demographic which is typically the white middle class with disposable income who are most likely to be male aged between 13 and up to middle age.

It would be nice to see more ethnically diverse characters in the warhammer fluff and also female characters are very under-represented (apart from sisters of battle, even then the only men in the sisters army are in commanding positions)




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 Archon Tobias wrote:
 Fafnir wrote:
 Archon Tobias wrote:
 TheCaptain wrote:
 Archon Tobias wrote:
I have always wondered.


"Racial diversity."

GW has never ACTUALLY seen a black person. Only heard rumors. Salamanders are the result.


Lol. Okay. Next time someone asks why there are no African Americans in 40k, I will quote this.


Black=/=African American

A black human who was born and raised in Cadia (Fresh Prince of the Eye of Terror? I'd watch that) would not be African, nor would they be American. They'd just be a Cadian who happens to be black.

Furthermore, there are plenty of black people on modern-day Earth who are not African American. You wouldn't call a Jamaican or Haitian African American, would you? Or a British person of African descent? Additionally, being of African heritage does not necessitate someone being black. My old boss was African-Canadian, and she was quite white.


Whoa, sorry man. I didn't mean anything offensive.
Back on topic:
So the salamanders are coal black because of a genetic defect cause by chaos, like how sanguinius grew wings?

... I answered this in the very first post on your thread.... it is Nocture's planetary radiation that mutated their geneseed.

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SalamanderMarine wrote:It would be nice to see more ethnically diverse characters in the warhammer fluff and also female characters are very under-represented (apart from sisters of battle, even then the only men in the sisters army are in commanding positions)
As they should be.

As they should be.



But yeah, I've said it many times. The models get painted white because this is a hobby dominated by white guys, and they paint their little toy soldiers to look like they do. There's nothing racist about it. It's just the way it is. And there aren't a ton of female models because it's a wargame, and women aren't traditionally associated with warfare.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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 BluntmanDC wrote:

It must also be remembered that the exact opposite of this defect exists. The Salamanders are coal black and the Raven Guard are bone white.

Night Lords, not raven guard.

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Raven Guard also suffer from a defective melanchromic organ and suffer from extremely pale skin.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
GW is fairly hopeless when it comes to diversity issues. They went from "Never have a dark-skinned person, ever" to "Well at least ONE chapter is black" to "Hmm that seems like maybe it's racist? I know, let's make our only diverse army into horrible coal-black FREAKS instead". I dunno how things work in the UK, but in America it does seem a bit weird that virtually every single model GW has ever painted is white.


Shall we also delve into their Adeptus Sororitas record? It's like an episode of COPS.

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 Griddlelol wrote:
 Cultiststeve wrote:
Yes, its a geneseed defect.


I find that offencive.


Meet a person with coal black skin and red eyes and tell me that it's not because of some defect

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Meet a person with coal black skin and red eyes and tell me that it's not because of some defect


Exactly. They don't have rich brown skin, or the warm nutmeg color - they have coal-black skin, like it's been burnt to a crisp. No human on Earth has that, especially coupled with red eyes.

Absolute black skin would be as much a mutation in the genome as albino skin.

I didn't even think it was a mutation in the gene-seed. I though that all of the planet has that skin-tone and that stays even after the indoctrination process, so Salamanders raised from off planet for some reason would be differently-toned.

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Technically, the conditions that make their skin black are pretty much the same conditions that make people of African descent brown. Just all grimdarked up.

It's still pretty ludicrous to be offended by it. Though I'm going to assume that Griddlelol was just being facetious.

Marneus Calgar is referred to as "one of the Imperium's greatest tacticians" and he treats the Codex like it's the War Bible. If the Codex is garbage, then how bad is everyone else?

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 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
.Though I'm going to assume that Griddlelol was just being facetious.


lol, thanks for the benefit of the doubt.


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 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
GW is fairly hopeless when it comes to diversity issues. They went from "Never have a dark-skinned person, ever" to "Well at least ONE chapter is black" to "Hmm that seems like maybe it's racist? I know, let's make our only diverse army into horrible coal-black FREAKS instead". I dunno how things work in the UK, but in America it does seem a bit weird that virtually every single model GW has ever painted is white.


This mainly comes down to the fact that unlike the USA the predominent racial issue is not White vs. African American but about minority interaction with the larger community, mostly how some groups create self imposed enclaves and avoid interaction with others.Your statement also has a few holes it in 'the only diverse army':

1. The white scars are mongolian themed (mongolians are a racial group seperate from whites.)
2. Catachans are presented as a mixed race army (2/5 of the men on the front cover are black skinned).
3. Multiple other IG armies are based on other, non-european cultures.
4. As stated in the fluff about Space Marines, a marines skn colour changes rapidly to stimuli
5. WD has high lighted many models that have various skin colours
6. As to WHFB the reason most are white is that it is set in a fantasy version of medieval europe.

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