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Uh...Title.

None yet.

The last volume of the Visions book (reprinted trading cards) has some fluff.

The final part of Collected Visions has a decently-detailed account of the battle.

That will shortly become completely outdated and revised, lol. It will be revealed that Horus lowered his shields because they were interfering with his reception, and he was missing the latest episode of his favorite show.

The HH Novels haven't gotten to that part yet.

They havn't even started the Batte of Terra yet. Unless I've missed a book.

Damn you KK, you know I can't resist spoilers

Not really interested in the Emperor and Horus, I have an idea about how it goes (Think Luke Skywalker vs Vader in Return of the Jedi, only with Luke as the bad guy and winning), but rather Horus and Sanguinius. I want to know how it went down. Fulgrim vs Manus was epic, and Sangy and Horus were even closer.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Spoiler:

The Emperor wins

You can see inside spoiler tags when you preview the thread... Thanks KK YOU'VE RUINED THE HORUS HERESY FOR ME!

Does Sanguinius survive?

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
That will shortly become completely outdated and revised, lol. It will be revealed that Horus lowered his shields because they were interfering with his reception, and he was missing the latest episode of his favorite show.

I'm not too sure about that. The HHS series is loosely following the corse of events set I'm collected visions, albeit greatly expanded.

Loosely being the operative term.

It actually doesn't really follow Collected Visions at all. It follows the original GW framework that Collected Visions expanded on, in the process making significant changes.

Thus, there's really no way you can logically make any connections between events that "happened" in CV and what "happened" in the current novel series.


The easiest way to put it is that The Black Library isn't "expanding" the Horus Heresy. They're completely rewriting it. Everything that "hasn't happened yet" literally hasn't happened yet. This is a new version of the Heresy, and it's completely incompatible with everything that came before it.

Edit: I mean, we can guess what's coming, but it's pretty much a crapshoot. They've already heavily revised events in the timeline, and invented entirely new material. The only thing you can probably hedge bets on is that the Battle of Terra eventually happens, Horus dies, Sanguinius dies, and the Emperor ends up as a half-corpse in the Golden Throne. This series, for all the efforts they seem to try to make, isn't very cohesive, in terms of editorial vision. And they seem to be deliberately stretching the story out in order to produce more books. By the timeline of CV, this series is almost done. And yet we're nowhere near getting a novel on the Battle of Terra, because all of the authors have pretty much ponied up what they are currently working on, lol. TBL is gonna milk this sucker for all it's worth, no matter how badly the quality suffers.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:


The easiest way to put it is that The Black Library isn't "expanding" the Horus Heresy. They're completely rewriting it. Everything that "hasn't happened yet" literally hasn't happened yet. This is a new version of the Heresy, and it's completely incompatible with everything that came before it.

Edit: I mean, we can guess what's coming, but it's pretty much a crapshoot. They've already heavily revised events in the timeline, and invented entirely new material. The only thing you can probably hedge bets on is that the Battle of Terra eventually happens, Horus dies, Sanguinius dies, and the Emperor ends up as a half-corpse in the Golden Throne. This series, for all the efforts they seem to try to make, isn't very cohesive, in terms of editorial vision. And they seem to be deliberately stretching the story out in order to produce more books. By the timeline of CV, this series is almost done. And yet we're nowhere near getting a novel on the Battle of Terra, because all of the authors have pretty much ponied up what they are currently working on, lol. TBL is gonna milk this sucker for all it's worth, no matter how badly the quality suffers.

I freaking posted this opinion for about 1000 times (undeliberately lashing on UM (who I don't hate) and their role in the heresy)- and every time I was trashed by "authors fangrups"...
I would call this a "soap opera heresy" or "we will milk the fanboys as much as we can heresy"...
I'm certain battle for Terra will have some shocking side effects, I' ll bet on that...
Also, streching + more books = more money for GW = dumb story = watering mythical setting...
+1 for the comment

Yeah, but to be fair, you may have drawn the "trashing" because your criticism of the series and the Ultramarines role in it were completely wrong.

Everything you were angry about the Ultramarines doing in the series was stuff they had always been written as having done, and not new material in any way shape or form. There seems to be the commonly held misconception that the Dark Angels and Space Wolves were headed to Terra, but the Ultramarines were not. This is 100% wrong, and when researched, was traced back to a single issue of White Dwarf from the early 90s that mentioned the Dark Angels and Space Wolves but not the Ultramarines. It is important to note that the White Dwarf article doesn't exclude the Ultramarines or say that they did nothing, it just doesn't name them specifically. Every other source about the Heresy, including all relevant Index Astartes articles, includes the Ultramarines as part of the reinforcements for the Battle of Terra when those reinforcements are named.

This is like one of those memes that goes around Facebook that is 100% wrong, but gets latched onto by some misinformed segment of the population. It's not true. At all. In any way, shape, or form. And if you let it go, you might not get "trashed" anymore.

I mean, it's why nobody listens to Beaviz or takes him seriously. Because he continues to post all this ridiculous stuff about the Ultramarines because, in real life, there are some wacky European soccer fans called "Ultras" who have some radical splinter group that sometimes does racist stuff. Yes, he hates a specific color of plastic toy soldier because of what real world soccer fans do. Even better, they are the Ultramarines, not the Ultras. Nowhere in the game are they ever referred to as Ultras. Ultras is a short-form nickname used for brevity by fans. So he hates a color of plastic toy soldier for a name they don't even actually have.

Cliff's Notes: You're wrong. Don't be Beaviz.

But me lashing on UM is just my frustration on streched HH side effects...It could have been any chapter...I mean I even hate that they are putting SW (who I love) into some books where they are not needed ("fear to tread", "betrayer")...

Off topic :
Concerning Beaviz - I' dont know about 40k Ultras vs Ultras in Europe connection, but my country has ornamented "U" graffiti on every bus station,wall and school, and every right winged association is called "Ultras"....
Not that I see the connection with 40k - but also I can understand if someone can't stand the iconography...

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
There seems to be the commonly held misconception that the Dark Angels and Space Wolves were headed to Terra, but the Ultramarines were not. This is 100% wrong, and when researched, was traced back to a single issue of White Dwarf from the early 90s that mentioned the Dark Angels and Space Wolves but not the Ultramarines. It is important to note that the White Dwarf article doesn't exclude the Ultramarines or say that they did nothing, it just doesn't name them specifically. Every other source about the Heresy, including all relevant Index Astartes articles, includes the Ultramarines as part of the reinforcements for the Battle of Terra when those reinforcements are named.

Actually, I provided quotes against that in the other thread, but let's not hijack this one and keep that discussion in there, shall we?

Edit: grammar.

Unlikely. Like I said, for any quotes you can provide, I can provide close to 20 that will discount it and corroborate that dating back to 2nd Edition, the Ultramarines have always headed to Terra. Always.

So hopefully you had at least 19 more than the one I listed. If you still believe otherwise.

Because the one you quoted from Codex: Ultramarines wasn't going to cut it. Like I pointed out, if the Ultramarines hadn't headed to Terra, how had they intercepted the large force of Chaos reinforcements? You're trying to use a lack of evidence as evidence. It doesn't work that way in the real world. Especially since you're cherrypicking your sources and ignoring the ones that provide the evidence that proves you wrong. Understandable, if dishonest.

So provide us with them?
You're the one claiming these quotes exist, so the burden of proof is on you.
I'm not intentionally omitting them, I don't know them.

In either case, please do it in the other thread. This will be the last response from me in this one.