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Ghastly Grave Guard



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I want to make an about 3000 point HH army list, don't mind which legion but one from the betrayal book. I would ideally like to include a Primarch, don't mind which one. Can you just tell me what type of units I should include. Sorry I am being so vague ask if you want some more detail.
   
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BaconUprising wrote:
I want to make an about 3000 point HH army list, don't mind which legion but one from the betrayal book. I would ideally like to include a Primarch, don't mind which one. Can you just tell me what type of units I should include. Sorry I am being so vague ask if you want some more detail.


I'd actually find a Legion that you enjoy the fluff of.

I've started a HH list, and I can tell you it's not a competitive experience; it's more of an immersion into unique fluff.

With the unique squads to legions, unique legion rules, and unique styles of Primarchs, you'd be better off finding an army you're actually interested in committing to.

Besides; you're not going to get too many opponents that are excited to fight a Primarch until more of them out and the HH lists have more exposure.


That said; your starting Troops should be either Termies/Vet Squads, or 20 man Tactical Squads. Tac squads will need a Vexilla.

And a Praetor with a Paragon Blade. He is an absolute beast with Artificier armor and Iron halo. Mastercraft the Paragon blade if you've got the points, too.

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Thank you for the information. Firstly I have chosen a legion: world eaters, I just wanted to see what sort of lists people could come up with. Secondly I am more about fluff less about competative. I am only collecting a themed HH list.
   
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Do something to justify using the Heresy rules over just an optimized codex list, which means take the cool units (jetbikes, etc) and large squads that you can't do with a codex list. I don't mean taking a random pile of units with no strategic plan, but you really want to focus your list around some of the fun Heresy-only stuff. Otherwise what's the point?

Oh, and don't bother trying to optimize it as much as possible. The Heresy rules are not part of the standard game and can only be used if you and your opponent specifically agree to play a special game with them, so if you show up with a list that is clearly "I found a broken Heresy unit, now I'm going to win" your opponent is just going to refuse to give you special permission to use it. Take a variety of units and do something fun, even if it means taking things that aren't quite as point-efficient as the best codex lists.

 TheCaptain wrote:
Besides; you're not going to get too many opponents that are excited to fight a Primarch until more of them out and the HH lists have more exposure.


This. Primarchs are meant to be used in games where your opponent has something equally powerful in their army, and most people don't have the models available to do that. I suppose you can include a primarch in your collection, but don't base your entire army concept around having the primarch in your list every game because most people aren't going to give you the special permission required to use it.

The same applies to the superheavy tanks, but to a lesser degree. Your opponent should still have something big of their own available, but they're much less powerful and a lot less likely to just tear through unit after unit with little chance of stopping them. And of course the weak ones (hello Malcador, you're still worse than your points in Leman Russes) are bad enough that your opponent will probably thank you for bringing it.

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I'm convinced that a Typhon and 50 points of upgrades is miles better than a Primarch.

But maybe that's the Son of Dorn in me talking.

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 TheCaptain wrote:
I'm convinced that a Typhon and 50 points of upgrades is miles better than a Primarch.


In some abstract sense? Maybe.

On the table, from your opponent's perspective? Not really. At least the Typhon is vulnerable to the usual anti-tank weapons, if you're prepared to fight some Land Raiders/Leman Russes/etc you can deal with one, and it's fairly easy to suppress it and shut down its only relevant gun (even shaken = no more shooting). It's still not really fair to expect everyone to want to play against it without access to some kind of superheavies/primarchs/etc of their own, but it seems to be a lot less likely to lead to the kind of "one model dominates everything" scenario that is the reason for normally banning stuff like that.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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 Peregrine wrote:
 TheCaptain wrote:
I'm convinced that a Typhon and 50 points of upgrades is miles better than a Primarch.


In some abstract sense? Maybe.

On the table, from your opponent's perspective? Not really


And it seems like that would be a positive.

You aren't fielding a primarch, so you don't have to deal with the "OMG A primarch! So OP, won't fight it." issues, and as long as the opponent has a baneblade, you can compromise it into the game.

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