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I'm starting to fly Doomscythes in my Necron army now and I need to get some clarification on how the death ray works. I understand the whole draw a 3d6 line 12" from the gun but do they take unsaved wounds from where the line starts or from model closest to the scythe? Sometimes I draw the line perpendicular to the scythe such that the starting point is closer (which I guess it usually would be). How about hitting vehicles? If the scythe is in the forward arc but the line is drawn through the vehicles side arc am I hitting on the side of vehicle or is it based on the where the scythe is sitting?

Draw a straight line, anythgin under line takes the hit. Vehicles are hit on the armour facing the Doomscythe (as per normal shooting)

Necron:

Wounds are allocated to the closest model to the vehicle first, as usual with firing.

Only models within the 45 degree LOS of the vehicle can have wounds allocated to them, as per page 16

But vehicles can be penetrated even beyond that 45 degree limitation.

copper.talos wrote:
But vehicles can be penetrated even beyond that 45 degree limitation.

Only if you can draw LOS to it's hull/turret. If you're outside the 45 degree arc, I'm not seeing how you're doing this.

Shooting at vehicles pg 73.

Arc LoS pg 72

The claim is thtat page 16 only applies to owunds, and not armour penetration

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Only if you can draw LOS to it's hull/turret. If you're outside the 45 degree arc, I'm not seeing how you're doing this.

Shooting at vehicles pg 73.

Arc LoS pg 72

The out of sight rule prevents wounds not vehicle damage. So Death Ray can damage vehicles beyond that 45 degree limit.

Models take wounds as per who is closest to the models gun. The only way it changes is if a rule states it does or your gun is firing on "barrage" mode, if it has one.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
The claim is thtat page 16 only applies to owunds, and not armour penetration

This is actually valid strict RAW claim. Though if you accept this argument, you must also accept that Invulnerable saves on vehicles do nothing (except on Bjorn, who has been FAQ'd) .

Not even FAQ'd, his rules detail exactly how invulnerable saves work for him

copper.talos wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
Only if you can draw LOS to it's hull/turret. If you're outside the 45 degree arc, I'm not seeing how you're doing this.

Shooting at vehicles pg 73.

Arc LoS pg 72

The out of sight rule prevents wounds not vehicle damage. So Death Ray can damage vehicles beyond that 45 degree limit.

Ok and PG 73 tells us that if a unit fires at a vehicle it "must" be able to see its hull or turret.

Follow the rules for vehicle weapon and LOS on pg 72.

Yes, but the Death Ray does not target a vehicle, unit or a model. It targets two points and anything that lies underneath that line is hit by the Death Ray. So there is explicit permission to hit models that the Death Ray does not "target" as long as that model falls underneath the line between those two points. Page 16 covers how to deal with wounds once all models with wounds are treated once they are no longer in LOS. However, there is no such rule when dealing with vehicles so vehicles are still hit and roll for penetration as normal.

Aycee

Aycee71 wrote:
Yes, but the Death Ray does not target a vehicle, unit or a model. It targets two points and anything that lies underneath that line is hit by the Death Ray. So there is explicit permission to hit models that the Death Ray does not "target" as long as that model falls underneath the line between those two points. Page 16 covers how to deal with wounds once all models with wounds are treated once they are no longer in LOS. However, there is no such rule when dealing with vehicles so vehicles are still hit and roll for penetration as normal.

Aycee

I'd say it would depend. If the initial unit is in sight I'd agree. If the vehicle is out of LOS I disagree completely.

JoTWW Deny the Witch (which unit is the target) IIRC

JotWW is completely different from the Death Ray.

The Death Ray hits anything between 2 points so it bypasses normal shooting rules. "Out of sight" stops allocation of wounds, not vehicle damage, so no problems whatsoever to destroy vehicles out of "LoS".

Such is the whims of RAW. RAI I think is foolish to have weapons that are completely independent of LoS to hit an enemy, such as the Death Ray or the Vibrocannon, but cannot wound it...

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

Aycee71 wrote:
Yes, but the Death Ray does not target a vehicle, unit or a model. It targets two points and anything that lies underneath that line is hit by the Death Ray. So there is explicit permission to hit models that the Death Ray does not "target" as long as that model falls underneath the line between those two points. Page 16 covers how to deal with wounds once all models with wounds are treated once they are no longer in LOS. However, there is no such rule when dealing with vehicles so vehicles are still hit and roll for penetration as normal.

Aycee

I'd say it would depend. If the initial unit is in sight I'd agree. If the vehicle is out of LOS I disagree completely.

JoTWW Deny the Witch (which unit is the target) IIRC

My ex also disagreed with me on numerous things. However, RAW I still have not seen where my points are not valid in the way the Death Ray targets points and hits models underneath the line.

Necron Codex pg 50
"To fire the death ray, nominate a point on the battlefield...nominate a second point...draw a straight line between the two points. Every unit...underneath the line suffers a number of hits equal to the number of models in the unit underneath the line."

This instructs us on how to target the Death Ray. It never targets another unit or model but points. The limitation on page 72 of only being able to shoot at a vehicle where it has to see the turret or hull is not in effect because the Death Ray never shoots at anything other then two points on the battlefield. We then go to the results of hitting models underneath the line. In the BRB pg 16 it tells us that models with wound who are out of LOS are not wounded as the wound pool is emptied. In regards to vehicles, it has no such emptying of the pool so it goes straight to armor penetration and the results thereof.

Aycee

We'll just have to agree to disagree. As the Death Ray is what is firing. In other places it has shown that the first unit hit is the "target" .

Actually that tells you how to fire the Death Ray. "To fire the death ray".

If we go by that route where it never targets, than lets toss out the Psy FAQ's with lines that say they "target" the first unit hit.