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I'm having a hard time deciding which way to go with my new Deathwing box, so i would like to know does Azrael and or Belial unlock the death wing command squad as troops? or do they just unlock the other two death wings? Thanks guys?

They only unlock the basic Deathwing unit. The Deathwing command squads are 'free' slots for purchasing HQ units.

Thanks! sorry im fairly new, what do you mean by "free" slots? Also i was looking through the codex, and is the only special weapon the Sgt of the normal death can take is a power sword

Command Squads do not use up foc slots like other units do. For example you can only have ever 3 units of the elite slot but as long as you fulfill the other conditions you could have as much Command Squads as you want (as you need a IC to unlock them, you are normally limited to 2 Command Squads).

For the sergeant you should be allowed to give them at least TH/SS or dual LCs as these options are available for every model.

I love and hate the new DW set, soooo many options, Regardless of which route i take i will be using the Robed models because....well they finally have robed terms. So i could choose the command squad with plasma cannon and halbred and if i take a IC which i will it will be a free slot?

As long as the IC has Termi armor yes

Great! so i will field Belial and take use the command squad

Good plan, just don't skimp on the TH/SS's!

For the command squad i will give it a plasma cannon....cuz its awesome and maybe the new halberd? I will be picking up a land raider and atleast one more set of DW, apart from the current squad i am making, TH/SS the best way to go for my next?

Does the Halberd have its own rules or is it just a power axe?

i dont have the dex in front of me but i believe its...
Caliban Halberd +2S AP2 strikes at Init

...maybe a little more

Dang, me jealous

 Grey Templar wrote:
Dang, me jealous

Same. Especially considering the Emperor's Champion, the Brotherhood Champion and just about any other Champion-type Character designed to kill other Characters got kicked in the teeth in 6th on this very issue.

so i will defintiely be taking it with my command squad

Well I do have 60 vanilla terminators. I may start up a Counts As deathwing army.

 Shadox wrote:

For the sergeant you should be allowed to give them at least TH/SS or dual LCs as these options are available for every model.

Not true for DA, it has gone back to the old Armory system and has abit different setup for Termies.


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 Pwn'd You wrote:
For the command squad i will give it a plasma cannon....cuz its awesome and maybe the new halberd? I will be picking up a land raider and atleast one more set of DW, apart from the current squad i am making, TH/SS the best way to go for my next?

Seriously check out the DWK stuff, before just going TH/SS, as they alot more options and some of them meanier than THs.

Thanks barn owl, thats what i thought, i love this codex but am having slight trouble understanding all the options and who gets what. So and enlightenment on what the sgt can take? hopefully more than just a power sword

 Pwn'd You wrote:
i dont have the dex in front of me but i believe its...
Caliban Halberd +2S AP2 strikes at Init

...maybe a little more

I think it also has Traitor Bane so it would be AP1 vs Chaos Marines


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 Pwn'd You wrote:
Thanks barn owl, thats what i thought, i love this codex but am having slight trouble understanding all the options and who gets what. So and enlightenment on what the sgt can take? hopefully more than just a power sword

don't have it front of me, but there should be a section under both DW and DWK that list what parts of the Armory they have access to. but it should be sword, axe, maul, Hammer, Fist and Chainfist for the DW. Do not recall for the Knights, but there stock load is brutal.

barnowl wrote:
don't have it front of me, but there should be a section under both DW and DWK that list what parts of the Armory they have access to. but it should be sword, axe, maul, Hammer, Fist and Chainfist for the DW. Do not recall for the Knights, but there stock load is brutal.

No neither any model of the Termis, not even the sergeant, nor the Knights have access to any parts of the armory and all their options are in their respective army list entries.
And btw there is a difference in the Termi entry between the ccw options where it states 'any model can' and the shooting options where it states 'One Deathwing Terminator can', so imho it's save to think the sergeant can take any of the ccws except the chainfist as he need to replace his power fist to get this which he not has.

sorry guys a little more confusion bare with me, im putting together my models as a command squad but using robes, i have made the champion with the halberd, so what does that make the termie on the fron of the box with the cape and wings? who in the command squad is that

That's a Deathwing sergeant for regular Deathwing squads. The command squad doesn't have a "sergeant". The box is meant to build any of the new Deathwing unit choices.

well damn, so on the cover, thats a command squad plus a rando sgt?

I'm looking more at the options, and it is a really weird choice for the cover. That is definitely a command squad on the cover, because it has the Halberd on the champion, an apothecary and a banner bearer which are all only options for a command squad. But the command squad doesn't have a sergeant and has no way to give anyone a power sword. Building the model that way would make him either a Deathwing Sergeant, or you could use him as a Company Master wearing terminator armor (which unlocks the Terminator command squad) or use him as Belial. But in those last 2 cases, that would mean you still need to find a 5th terminator for the command squad and the box only has enough parts to build 5 models.


I'm seriously confused why they put him on the box's cover. I guess these things happen when you use one box for 3 different units.

also on the directions, there are three separate options and lists, one for command squad, one for knights and one for regular, the "sgt" is listed under both options, command squad and reg death wing... i built him that way....


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its strange because regular command squads come with a champion and a company veteran