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 Valek wrote:
Nice play from the Nids, so i still stay with statement, that Nids list is truly an all comers, the only issue might be a full Necron Airforce but that will have its issues at tournaments to.

About the wolves yes they are strong, very strong but i deem the Grey Knights better not in the least by having Coteaz, and Dreadknights
Maybe both should ally for the best of both worlds, allying in a podded runepriest with jaws in a GK army would not be that wrong and its quite inexpensive.

The only problem with a SW-GK alliance is that they are only Allies of Convenience. Thus, GK's are treated as enemy units and SW psychic defense will also block their (the GK's) psychic powers.

And speaking of Coteaz and dreadknights, I played against a very interesting and actually very good GK list at the tournament recently. It went something like this:


Coteaz
Mordrak
4x Ghost Knights - Banner

3x Henchmen - 3x Plasmas, Chimera
3x Henchmen - Razor with Assault Cannon
3x Henchmen - Razor with Assault Cannon
3x Henchmen - Psyback
3x Henchmen - Psyback
3x Henchmen - Psyback

Dreadknight - Heavy Incinerator, Greatsword, Teleporter
Dreadknight - Heavy Incinerator, Greatsword, Teleporter
Dreadknight - Heavy Incinerator, Greatsword, Teleporter

Actually jaws is in many pieces thanks to one Brody. Wet jokes aside is this list the best for fighting Nidzilla? Counting on the fact that the nids are going to be trying for heaps of iron arm monsters surely some low ap high strength cc like th/ss (which will also give flyrants some nice i1 for the second round of combat and are a reason not to get close so the longwangs can keep pumping shots for another turn or two) and some lascannons would be called for? That said those missile launchers are good all round choices if you don't know which nid list type you will play. Also did you play yourself or something, because you wrote as if you were both sides occasionally. I probably missed something huge right at the start thoug.

What a turn around! This has to call for a rubber match to settle the score but make it at an increase points level for more epic mess

Did not expect them t bring down that second Winged Tyrant in CC!

It was fortunate that the Tervigon survived those Long Fangs on the SW table edge; if he hadn't scraped through things would have been very different as the remaining Warlord Tyrant would have to be diverted/much more careful.

It's almost a case for Regeneration on a Tervigon. I run Regeneration on a Tyrannofex and it is ridiculously hard to finally put down. A Tervigon lacks the 2+ save, but in cover and with Iron Arm or Endurance it could be just as, if not more beastly.

Nemesor wrote:
Actually jaws is in many pieces thanks to one Brody. Wet jokes aside is this list the best for fighting Nidzilla? Counting on the fact that the nids are going to be trying for heaps of iron arm monsters surely some low ap high strength cc like th/ss (which will also give flyrants some nice i1 for the second round of combat and are a reason not to get close so the longwangs can keep pumping shots for another turn or two) and some lascannons would be called for? That said those missile launchers are good all round choices if you don't know which nid list type you will play. Also did you play yourself or something, because you wrote as if you were both sides occasionally. I probably missed something huge right at the start thoug.

Yeah, this was a test game against myself. Sometimes I do that when I want to test out certain army builds against certain army builds, especially if no one else in my area plays that type of army build.

These lists are designed to be TAC lists (Take-All-Comers). Even though wolves know that they will be facing the bugs, I always design my lists as if they don't know who they will be going up against to simulate a tournament environment. Thus in such a case, missiles are arguably the most versatile and definitely the most efficient heavy weapons of choice for the wolves. In such cases, I usually go for flexibility (missiles can handle both tanks and infantry as well as MC's), balance and cost-effectiveness (SW TH/SS terminators are 63-pts compared to 40 for marines!!!).

Eldercaveman wrote:
What a turn around! This has to call for a rubber match to settle the score but make it at an increase points level for more epic mess

Nah. 2 is enough, unless if I face them again in a tournament.

Xyptc wrote:
Did not expect them t bring down that second Winged Tyrant in CC!

It was fortunate that the Tervigon survived those Long Fangs on the SW table edge; if he hadn't scraped through things would have been very different as the remaining Warlord Tyrant would have to be diverted/much more careful.

It's almost a case for Regeneration on a Tervigon. I run Regeneration on a Tyrannofex and it is ridiculously hard to finally put down. A Tervigon lacks the 2+ save, but in cover and with Iron Arm or Endurance it could be just as, if not more beastly.

Mark of the Wulfen is actually pretty good and the flyrant was down to just 1W anyways. The tervigon had a good chance to survive because he was in terrain for the 5+ cover. Even if the LF's were to fire at it for 2 full turns, they weren't guaranteed to kill it, especially not after it can cast Iron Arm on the 2nd turn.

However, what would have been dangerous was if the tervigon didn't come in until Turns 3 or 4!

 jy2 wrote:


It's almost a case for Regeneration on a Tervigon. I run Regeneration on a Tyrannofex and it is ridiculously hard to finally put down. A Tervigon lacks the 2+ save, but in cover and with Iron Arm or Endurance it could be just as, if not more beastly.

Mark of the Wulfen is actually pretty good and the flyrant was down to just 1W anyways. The tervigon had a good chance to survive because he was in terrain for the 5+ cover. Even if the LF's were to fire at it for 2 full turns, they weren't guaranteed to kill it, especially not after it can cast Iron Arm on the 2nd turn.

However, what would have been dangerous was if the tervigon didn't come in until Turns 3 or 4!

 tetrisphreak wrote:

So according to the new FAQ rolling for reserves and "start of the turn" psychic powers are considered simultaneous, which means the active player can determine which order they are done in. I need to do a little rules-fu but i think that means you can now cast psychic powers with your models the turn they arrive. That would make iron arm tervigons and tyrants even safer when coming in from reserve.

You cannot self-cast. However, another model already on the table at the beginning of the turn can cast a blessing on a unit that comes in from reserves. I believe it is in the BRB as was pointed out by Janthkin.

Thanks for clearing that one up

 jy2 wrote:

The only problem with a SW-GK alliance is that they are only Allies of Convenience. Thus, GK's are treated as enemy units and SW psychic defense will also block their (the GK's) psychic powers.

*snip*

Actually, I believe that the wording of the Runic Staff is that you may choose to deny it on a 4+. If it just happens to be an allies power, perhaps you would want to choose not to!

A nasty list would be something like a drop pod of 10 grey hunters, 2 meltas, and long fangs and a preist. Either put the Jaws preist with the DPod or go divination with the fangs, then your normal GK stuff of Coteaz, henchmen, psyflenaughts and Dreadknights, etc.

 jifel wrote:
Actually, I believe that the wording of the Runic Staff is that you may choose to deny it on a 4+. If it just happens to be an allies power, perhaps you would want to choose not to!

A nasty list would be something like a drop pod of 10 grey hunters, 2 meltas, and long fangs and a preist. Either put the Jaws preist with the DPod or go divination with the fangs, then your normal GK stuff of Coteaz, henchmen, psyflenaughts and Dreadknights, etc.

Nope, no choice. From the SW codex (p.36 under Runic Weapon):

"A runic weapon is a force weapon. Furthermore, whenever an enemy model succeeds on a psychic test within 24" of the bearer, roll a dice - on a 4+ that power is nullified."

Drop pods can only hold 10.

 jy2 wrote:

 jifel wrote:
Actually, I believe that the wording of the Runic Staff is that you may choose to deny it on a 4+. If it just happens to be an allies power, perhaps you would want to choose not to!

A nasty list would be something like a drop pod of 10 grey hunters, 2 meltas, and long fangs and a preist. Either put the Jaws preist with the DPod or go divination with the fangs, then your normal GK stuff of Coteaz, henchmen, psyflenaughts and Dreadknights, etc.

Nope, no choice. From the SW codex (p.36 under Runic Weapon):

"A runic weapon is a force weapon. Furthermore, whenever an enemy model succeeds on a psychic test within 24" of the bearer, roll a dice - on a 4+ that power is nullified."

Drop pods can only hold 10.

D-d-d-d-double correct!

Hm, must've been thinking vanilla Pods. And thanks for the clarification there.