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So another FAQ release and another blow to my Orks.

I really don't get the whole no re-roll on the shooting psychic rolls for Warpheads (Zogwort). This seems late in the game and totally random to me. Zogwort has been my boy and I really like running him but this just seems dumb to me. I had a fun build with him but this change sucks.

The other BRB FAQ stuff, like the new Fearless ruling, really mess with my Ork builds I've been playing around with as well.

I don't know. I guess I'm just disappointed with GW and their QA & Editing departments.

Yup-GW don't care

^Bitter BT player

The FAQ is badly written, I think they just meant to say that Zogwort can't re-roll a second time (after his warphead re-roll) if he gets a shooting psychic power, which he can't use since he's BS0.

He would still get his warphead re-roll before that though.

There's already two threads on the FAQs:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/501031.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/500988.page

 pretre wrote:
There's already two threads on the FAQs:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/501031.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/500988.page

Thanks for watching out Pretre but I'm not focusing on the FAQs like those other threads.

This Thread is more about ORKS not about the FAQs as a whole.

Mat Ward loves you.

Well, Fearless is better for Orks now, so there's at least that. Orks will get a new codex in a year or two and it'll fix their problems. Until then, at least they've got Fearless working in their favor and Dakkajets.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Well, Fearless is better for Orks now, so there's at least that. Orks will get a new codex in a year or two and it'll fix their problems. Until then, at least they've got Fearless working in their favor and Dakkajets.

The Fearless FAQ does not help Orks all the time, sometimes it hurts them. If you run Ghaz his Waaagh makes your whole army fearless so your Gretchin, Lootas or other units that need to Go to Ground, or have already gone to ground, for better cover saves will now pop up. I'm not saying this is all bad and sometimes you can use it to your advantage but it can also cost you units if you are forced to Waaagh and now your guys pop up from area terrain and will only get a 5+ cover instead of a 3+ cover.

I know in WHFB, they like to stuff Orcs as well. Although in recent 40k iterations, Orks seem strong. *shrugz*

I know what you mean.

for a long while iv'e been fielding normal warpheads instead of old zoggy even tough his curse is all good and so.. but.. the point cost i can see spending other places.

@ phatonic - but I love Squiging ICs! :(

Are we that hated?

You can field mobz that are fearless and shoot out as many dice as a D&D convention each turn.

We're a 4th ed codex (BT players, please take no offense) that is still wrecking face in 6th, with a new codex on the way.

Our Terminators have 2 Wounds, S9, and can take Kombi-Heavy Flamers (Yes, slow and purposeful, but stick them in a truck!).

We are the only army with a Psyker that can puke, causing a Land Raider to blow up, then pull a mob of Boyz across the map to wreck a gunline. (It should be noted that I do love my Warphead when I field him, as he doesn't fail me.)

Should you blow up our basic transport, there's a good chance that it will rocket towards you, unleashing not only some Orks in your face, but also probably explode and kill a few of your own guys.

We can get an army with a 5+ cover save across the entire board. (Add in Night Fighting and/or Necron widgets for a 3+.)

Orks are the only army that has built in humor.

Others say "Don't take that! It's too random!" towards that Shokk Attack Gun? Laugh when they get sucked into the warp.

I have said this before the only good unit left in the ork army is loota boyz. Every rule in 6ed is feels like Matt Ward used to get owned by Orks and Nids and he is so bad at playing that he had to change the rules so he can win a game. FNP hammernator you have to be joking. Orks are now only for friendly game. e.g my 6 yr nephew wanted to play so i let him play my SW vs my old 1000pt Ork army he still won.
Orks can kind be played as an allied army (Shokk Attack Gun, lootas and grots) but everything eles in the army is useless.

Heh. Aside from CronAir and a certain daemon list, locally Orks are pretty much dominating. Certainly no cause to say that they're "hated" by GW, as they're still a very good army.

Iv'e played a fair amount of games in sixth... lost very few and people seem to still complain they aint a competive race, heck i turned on third spot on a tournament with a list i just made for fun. cuz dats wat orkz be aboot!

 yorkskargrimironklaw wrote:
I have said this before the only good unit left in the ork army is loota boyz. Every rule in 6ed is feels like Matt Ward used to get owned by Orks and Nids and he is so bad at playing that he had to change the rules so he can win a game. FNP hammernator you have to be joking. Orks are now only for friendly game. e.g my 6 yr nephew wanted to play so i let him play my SW vs my old 1000pt Ork army he still won.
Orks can kind be played as an allied army (Shokk Attack Gun, lootas and grots) but everything eles in the army is useless.

This is going to sound harsh, but learn to play. Orks AND Nids got quite a bit of a buff in that Fearless-wounds are gone. Nob bikers are now permanent Toughness 5, making those 2 wounds count a lot more. Tyranids, of all people, shouldn't be complaining about 6th edition, considering it moved them from being pretty weak to being suddenly solid. Orks also benefit the most from Overwatch and Snap Fire, considering they're only losing 50% of their shots as opposed to 66% or 75%. Blame Mat Ward all you want, it's not gonna change the fact that your complaints are pretty silly.

 yorkskargrimironklaw wrote:
Orks are now only for friendly game. e.g my 6 yr nephew wanted to play so i let him play my SW vs my old 1000pt Ork army he still won.

Firstly, Phil Kelly wrote Codex: Space Wolves, not Mat Ward. Secondly:

 yorkskargrimironklaw wrote:
SW

There's your problem. It's not that Orks are weak, it's the fact that Space Wolves are still part of the "holy trinity" of GK/SW/Necrons. Guess it'd be a holy quadrathingiemajig with IG added now though.

Yup...I second the harsh reply, Orks are still solid and can crush necrons/SW/GK's with ease when played right. Now I will admit that for tournaments Orks are hobbled by not being able to bring something like the green tide lists due to time limits on games *takes way to bloody long to move 150+ orks even if you know what your doing* but orks still bring a ton of awesome to the table.

I have to third that harsh reply, because nids are actually quite viable now in 6th! Sure they still have the issues that plagued them before (Wargear costs, some ****ed up internal costs) but things got good enough that they aren't in the same tier as tau and BT anymore.

Orks are orks, they still can run multiple types of lists and do well.

I think the Ork Shoota boy is the best Troop choice right now in 6th, ONLY 6 points for a WS4, T4 A2 and assualt2 18" S4 gun and Mob Rules. NOT TO BAD! Don't get me wrong here guys, I still love my Orks.

They just seem to be mess'in with me Boyz every dang FAQ is all.

Anyone else surprised they didn't reword Ghaz to give his Waaagh Fleet this last FAQ? I was.

It's been a long run for me and Orks and I love my Orks. I've been holding on to the #1 Player Overall, not just Orks, in the USA for the last half year here in the states with my boyz and have stayed both the #1 Ork player and in the top 10 Overall for the past 2 years running only my Tournament Orks. I think I have proved to all those net NAH SAYERS that said Orks were dead at the end of 5th that THEY were dead wrong.

In 6th I've still been having great luck with my Orks but every time I feel like I'm getting a solid list down for the next upcoming tournament they put out an FAQ that tweaks things enough, either with the main rules or Ork FAQs that I have to rework my list.

I don't know. Maybe it is just time for me to put my Orks on the casual game side, playing for fun and the love of the game/army, and jump into the Tournament ring with one of my other Armies to prove my chops with another Codex.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Well, Fearless is better for Orks now, so there's at least that. Orks will get a new codex in a year or two and it'll fix their problems. Until then, at least they've got Fearless working in their favor and Dakkajets.

Yeah, I'll get another ORk and IG codex, probably, before I get another Sisters codex.

Still wonder what they're going to add for both of those though. A small part of me still holds out for female guardsmen. I try not to let her out much, the cruel world would devastate her.

More on topic: If the FAQ is fethed up, perhaps you can work out houserules with your friends? I know tournaments rarely make such compromises, but hey, not everyone participates in those. It's kind of a pity, because I've used my weirdboy as Zogwart myself in the past.

@Melissia - Zogwort is my boy! I don't know why they made it that you can't re-roll his shootings.

I think I'm just to attached to my Orks and if I'm going to play in Tournaments maybe I should switch up my Codex for a bit.

Now all I have to do is finish painting one of my other Armies. Haha :/

 yorkskargrimironklaw wrote:
I have said this before the only good unit left in the ork army is loota boyz. Every rule in 6ed is feels like Matt Ward used to get owned by Orks and Nids and he is so bad at playing that he had to change the rules so he can win a game. FNP hammernator you have to be joking. Orks are now only for friendly game. e.g my 6 yr nephew wanted to play so i let him play my SW vs my old 1000pt Ork army he still won.
Orks can kind be played as an allied army (Shokk Attack Gun, lootas and grots) but everything eles in the army is useless.

Maybe learn to play orks properly? I play against Necrons, BA, GK, Chaos Marines and Deamons, Nids, Tau and Vanilla Marines and still keep a high win rate. Maybe you need to re think what the hell youre doing?

To be fair, though, they've had some really good erratas for orks in the past, though.

I recall the ones that made certain vehicle upgrades almost mandatory

Are you still trying to play an assault based list? That is struggling a bit with overwatch and casualties from the front.

An Ork shooter list is playing pretty awesome in the meta though. Shoota-boys are solid as troops. 30 wounds, assault 2, t4 attacks 2 and a powerklaw is a tough unit to shift from an objective. Lootas are the ultimate anti-flyer unit. Even if they move, they only lose 50% effectiveness, and that 1 turn where you roll d3 shots and everything hits is spectacular. Mek's in loota units are pretty good too. S8 weapons that can pick their target on to hit rolls of 6 (meks are characters in loota units) is awesome, even if it is only 24" range.

A good tactic is 10 lootas w/ Mek in a battlewagon. It moves, they shoot. It shoots, and the meh can repair hull points. Ultimate 40k drive-by unit!

Dakka-jets are made of win. Team them up with warp-heads for multiple 18 s6 shots turns, with each jet!

Oppenent using cover well? A small unit of Flashgits on a interceptor lascannon or quad gun (from the aegis line) gives the big gun their ignores cover rule. Laugh as your oppenent pops smoke on his rhinos.

Dr. What wrote:
You can field mobz that are fearless and shoot out as many dice as a D&D convention each turn.

And those boys snap firing only lose 50% of their hits, compared to MEQ that lose 75% of their hits.
Given that the meta has shifted to more infantry heavy armies, that's another point in the boys favor.

Dr. What wrote:
Our Terminators have 2 Wounds, S9, and can take Kombi-Heavy Flamers (Yes, slow and purposeful, but stick them in a truck!) Should you blow up our basic transport, there's a good chance that it will rocket towards you, unleashing not only some Orks in your face, but also probably explode and kill a few of your own guys..

i have faced this many a times. My buddy brings two truuks full of MANZ from reserve. He plops them right in your face, and wrecking them does not do any good with the truuk rules. Your best hope is to get a penetration result and hope for 'stunned'. The best tactic is to hide in your rhino and back the hell up after you pop the truuk.

Dr. What wrote:
We can get an army with a 5+ cover save across the entire board. (Add in Night Fighting and/or Necron widgets for a 3+.)

A well placed aegis line gives a 4+ for most of your army.

Seriously, orks are a solid codex right now. While they do have a few gaps, they also still have some tools that wreck face.


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Orktavius wrote:
Yup...I second the harsh reply, Orks are still solid and can crush necrons/SW/GK's with ease when played right. Now I will admit that for tournaments Orks are hobbled by not being able to bring something like the green tide lists due to time limits on games *takes way to bloody long to move 150+ orks even if you know what your doing* but orks still bring a ton of awesome to the table.

My buddy brings these pieces of sheet metal that are about 8" by 16". He deploys each ork boy squad on them and spreads them out. All his boys are magnetized so they stick nicely.
He then pushes the trays around when possible, making his overall play much faster.

i recently started toying with weirdboys and kinda liked them. I wanted to run Zog since he can actually DO something in melee (weirdboy is just a bareboned Nob outside his spells) but then i saw the crap involving 2 of his 5 abilities denying them being used.
Why would you ever take the most powerful Weirdboy in da Waaagh! if he cant use 1 of the main spells you even want? Frazzle is nice since it doesnt scatter, despite being a blast, but Zzap is the real powerhouse since it says it wounds the UNIT not the model and causes S10 AP1 hits - owww?

BS0 shouldnt disallow autohit shootings. So slowed.

I jumped right on the double Wierdboys, 1 being Zogwort (or did), with 3 dakkajets as soon as 6th & the jets came out. Loads of fun!

Every time I play an opponent that brings an aegis line with a gun I'm always nice enough to Thank Them for the Line/Gun before the game starts, because 12 out of 13 times I have taken control of it by end of Turn 2 with my Ghazkull / Biker list. Hahaha For some reason a few of my opponents didnt see the humor in that, as I shot at their flyers as they came in. ;-)