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Here is a question me and a buddy were talking and could not find common ground.

Ok rhino (dedicated transport) 10 man tactical squad inside said death trap. A squad of zonethrops / land speeders pick your poison, one is able to blow up the rhino. Is the other members of the squad allowed to shoot at the troops that were forced out from the transport?

And the other question, do a squad with a dedicated transport count as 1 unit?

A squad and their transport are never one unit. They count as one for Reserve rolls, but that's it.

A given firing unit must all fire at the same target, unit unless they have the Split Fire rule. Even if they can Split Fire, they have to declare all targets at once and all of those targets must be legally targetable before any dice are rolled. So there's no way they could target the squad inside the vehicle, as they're not a legal target at the time of declaration.

but they may assault the marines that pour out.

Is there somewhere in the BRB that shows the transport and its troops as two different units?

We assume that all shots from a unit are fired and resolved simultaneously. This is the whole point of taking a transport in the first place, so that a squad has to concentrate fire on the vehicle in order to gain access to it's soft chewy nougat centre.

lynxstrife wrote:
Is there somewhere in the BRB that shows the transport and its troops as two different units?

They have to be, a unit can't be partially embarked upon a vehicle, either all members of the unit have to be embarked, or none, and a vehicle cannot embark upon itself, so it can't possibly be part of the same unit as the passengers.

I'm sure there's something much more conclusive, but there's just absolutely no way you could possibly interpret a squad and its transport to be a single unit without breaking the game.

The P78 Dedicated Transports call out states that dedicated transports are purchased with a unit. Not that the vehicle is partof the unit.

 Mannahnin wrote:
A squad and their transport are never one unit. They count as one for Reserve rolls, but that's it.

A given firing unit must all fire at the same target, unit unless they have the Split Fire rule. Even if they can Split Fire, they have to declare all targets at once and all of those targets must be legally targetable before any dice are rolled. So there's no way they could target the squad inside the vehicle, as they're not a legal target at the time of declaration.

This.

I don't have a BRB handy so I can't reference a page, but think of it like this. I'm going to use a real life example because in this case it applies: If you're shooting at a tank with your squad, you don't hold half of them in reserve in hoping that the other half blows the tank up. You all shoot simultaneously. As the disembarking unit shows their faces while exiting the destroyed/disabled vehicle, you then charge them to destroy them in hand to hand combat while they are stunned.

lynxstrife wrote:
Is there somewhere in the BRB that shows the transport and its troops as two different units?

Also, consider the fact that if transports were the same unit as their squad, then they would have to stay in coherency, fire at the same unit, be subject to falling back if their unit failed a LD test, etc.

No, all the shots from the firing squad happen simultaneously. If two speeders are firing at a rhino, you can't blow it up with the first speeder and then fire on the passengers with the second speeder. Both of them use their shots on the rhino.

Works for me thanks!