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**Black Nexus**

I've got a few worries - as once again 'Hard Plastic" seems to be...not working for them?

I guess it is good to know now, and have them stop now as opposed to what happened last time.

But that's a lot of 'resin-plastic' where 'hard-plastic' was going to be.

I don't think it's a case of not working, rather they've not seen the results yet so can't push the button.

Also, only zombies and peacekeepers were only ever going to be hard plastic originally, everything else had been intended as plastic resin after all.

**judgedoug**

So... the only Enforcers in the main box set is a baggy of the current Enforcers?

**Black Nexus**

no, only the 3 troops with rifles and 1 with assault blade are missing, replaced by a bag of Warpath enforcers.

snipers, engineers, guns drones and captain were always intended as resin plastic and were therefore tooled that way, meaning they're on time.

**Riquende**

judgedoug wrote:
So... the only Enforcers in the main box set is a baggy of the current Enforcers?

As I understand it, the 8 basic Enforcers (4 Rifles, 3 Blades and 1 Rocket Launcher) have been replaced by 5 Warpath ones. i assume all the specialists/captain etc are still in Restic (and were always going to be).

Then next year we get the 8 'missing' Enforcers either in Restic or on a sprue.

**RiTides**

These two things seem improbable... highlighted:

Black Nexus wrote:
on production minis...

The vast majority of the models are now on their way to us, and they’re looking fantastic. We were not happy with some of the first batch, so we reworked the mould and ran it again. We’ve seen the results and we're very happy with them. We haven’t had a chance to get any photos just yet, but we are flying in some of the production pieces and will get images out as soon as we receive them. In the meantime you can check out our recent DreadBall releases for an idea of the quality you’ll be getting – it’s the same material that we’re using for the Deadzone figures.

How can you see them, yet not have a photo? I thought the Mantic personnel were all back from China so...

Anyway, it's been this way for some time, so hard to get photos of production models out of Mantic :-/

I'm going to stop checking here for a bit since I'm not seeing much new, and it's raising my blood pressure lol. But I do hope you're able to answer the Dreadball issues I consolidated above James (from DaveC, Orlandothetechnicoloured, and scarlesquig) despite the fact that it probably doesn't matter much anymore, since everything's already shipped... but maybe this time the lesson will finally be learned for the other campaigns you're still running (such as Deadzone). At the least, I'm happy to hear that you're not pushing ahead with poor Deadzone plastics, but the fact that you're holding off means there have been issues which hadn't been communicated, either...

Anyway, I again appreciate your input here and if you do address the Dreadball concerns I consolidated above from those other posters, I'd certainly check in on that and would appreciate it. Cheers.

**Riquende**

Black Nexus wrote:
no, only the 3 troops with rifles and 1 with assault blade are missing, replaced by a bag of Warpath enforcers.

Hmm, the update does say 4 models, but there are more models in the starter with those options than that....

**pretre**

RiTides wrote:
These two things seem improbable... highlighted:

Black Nexus wrote:
on production minis...

The vast majority of the models are now on their way to us, and they’re looking fantastic. We were not happy with some of the first batch, so we reworked the mould and ran it again. We’ve seen the results and we're very happy with them. We haven’t had a chance to get any photos just yet, but we are flying in some of the production pieces and will get images out as soon as we receive them. In the meantime you can check out our recent DreadBall releases for an idea of the quality you’ll be getting – it’s the same material that we’re using for the Deadzone figures.

How can you see them, yet not have a photo? I thought the Mantic personnel were all back from China so...

They've seen them but can't get photos that they want to send out.

**judgedoug**

I'm incredibly confused on what enforcers we are getting in the main kick starter box game, what will be in the retail release, and what we'll be able to order next year in March for wave 2.

**agnosto**

They've seen them, are happy with them but can't show us because they are flying them from China. So, they're happy enough with them to ok them for shipment on a boat from China but they were somehow not ready when the Finance Manager was there two weeks ago.... They weren't ready two weeks ago but they're on a ship now. Think about that a second.

**Black Nexus**

do you guys not remember the sh!tstorm that went down with the marauder greens?

That's why blurry pics don't get posted.

**judgedoug**

Holy gak. Stop with the speculation.
Your list of Mantics eeeeeevillll production deeds doesn't include their previous trip two months ago when they most likely rejected the tools that they had mentioned in the update.

**CptJake**

Black Nexus wrote:
do you guys not remember the sh!tstorm that went down with the marauder greens?

That's why pics don't get posted.

**Black Nexus**

I'm incredibly confused on what enforcers we are getting in the main kick starter box game, what will be in the retail release, and what we'll be able to order next year in March for wave 2.

Ok.

You are getting everything you were promised in the Kickstarter, plus one extra bag of 5 Warpath Enforcers.

You get Sniper, Engineer, Gun drones and Captain in Wave 1 PLUS the free bag of 5 warpath enforcers. This will be shipped to ks backers and will be what's in the retail release.

In shipment 2, you'll get the hard plastic frame to build the 3 Basic troopers and the guy with assault blade.

You get 5 free figures.

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@ CptJake - aren't you fking clever.

**pretre**

TLDR Version of the update for the confused:
- We're sorry.
- Plastic isn't working out, so we're using Zombies as guinea pigs.
- If we do tool plastic enforcers, they will be sent in the second shipment.
- If we do not, then all enforcers and peacekeepers that were going to be plastic will be resin plastic.
- You have the option of a refund/exchange if you don't like that.
- The basic enforcer troopers (3 rifles, one blade) will not be in the initial launch but will be sent along with second delivery.
- You will instead get 5 resin enforcers with heavy rifles, blade and burst laser. (FREE BONUS)
- Free Marauder Pyro for faction starter. No duplicate arms for rippers.
- LE Survivor available in second survey
- Shipping starts in December (crossing fingers)
- You can pick up your stuff at Open Day if you're in the UK

**The Dwarf Wolf**

So, this sound great.

Except for the enforcers situation. But only because it was not well explained: so, we will get the 8 (or 10, due to sprue nature) "basic" enforcers on the KS later, and now we will get 5 free restic Enforcers? If it is so, them it sound like heaven...

About the marauder Pyro, i loved the news. I was thinking about magnetize the models to freely swap the arms, but i really prefer another miniature in place of another set of arms for 2 of them. I wanted the pyro in the starter since the first concept of it

And about the terrain sprues on the KS box, can you guys make it clear to us how much sprues we really get in each Strike Team?

**judgedoug**

Gotcha. What about all the specialists?

This reallllly sucks for me. Most of my pledge were Enforcer models of various types for a Tomorrow's War platoon.

Edit. It's not terrible. I'll just delay the project... but still I was looking forward to working on them soon. Getting a little bored of fantasy and historicals. ..

**Riquende**

Black Nexus wrote:

In shipment 2, you'll get the hard plastic frame to build the 3 Basic troopers and the guy with assault blade.

But there are supposed to be more than that in the starter! That's where the confusion is....

**The Dwarf Wolf**

Also: im not happy with the doc girls who turned into a monster. The concept art showed something a lot more femalish, she now looks like a woman body builder... :/

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Riquende wrote:
Black Nexus wrote:

In shipment 2, you'll get the hard plastic frame to build the 3 Basic troopers and the guy with assault blade.

But there are supposed to be more than that in the starter! That's where the confusion is....

They say the restic stuff are free add-ons, it was almost assumed that the 8 enforcers in the KS starter would be turned into 2 sprues of 5 guys in plastic.

That is why I am thinking we will get 5 restic now, and 10 plastic them. And coming from Mantic, this is not unbeliviable...

**edlowe**

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Also: im not happy with the doc girls who turned into a monster. The concept art showed something a lot more femalish, she now looks like a woman body builder... :/

actually I much prefer her this way, more in fitting with the other 3rd stages. But thats just imho. I'm one of those weirdos who think the 3rd stages are really cool. Hence alot of plague coming my way

**Compel**

Thanks Pretre.

Although, the more I think on it, the more this is sounding like quite the balls up, going forward.

Having recently assembled a set of the current restic enforcers. I really do have to say: They are *not* friendly models for a game starter set.

They're fine for a normal model kit but there's a LOT of work that needs done. For example, figuring out which limbs go with which. - You also need to find the exact pose that the body fits into the lower half. In my mind, it would be exceedingly difficult for a complete newbie to modelling to put together.

**The Dwarf Wolf**

edlowe wrote:
The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Also: im not happy with the doc girls who turned into a monster. The concept art showed something a lot more femalish, she now looks like a woman body builder... :/

actually I much prefer her this way, more in fitting with the other 3rd stages. But thats just imho. I'm one of those weirdos who think the 3rd stages are really cool. Hence alot of plague coming my way

I like 3rd stages too, but i was thinking this doc had something "different", and was expecting something as Kerrigan (Star Craft). That is why i expected something more sexy and femalish. But as you said, this is imho

**timetowaste85**

I have about 60 of the WP Enforcers, and while I love the things, some new variety would be great. I took it to mean we'd be getting the DZ models in restic, but we'd be getting additional WP Enforcers with them. Am I mistaken? If we're only getting more WP enforcers with no new sculpts until much later, it'll suck for me as I'm not getting anything new, but there are options to work with. I guess I'll re-read it when I'm not at work and go from there. Still excited for my goodies, but waiting a bit longer for hard plastic instead of more of what I already have is a bit saddening. Not a dealbreaker, mind you-I want quality, of course. Just a bummer of waiting longer is all.

**Riquende**

Compel wrote:

They're fine for a normal model kit but there's a LOT of work that needs done. For example, figuring out which limbs go with which. - You also need to find the exact pose that the body fits into the lower half. In my mind, it would be exceedingly difficult for a complete newbie to modelling to put together.

Doesn't the boxed set go on general sale next year though? Whilst it's pure speculation, maybe the Enforcer situation will have been resolved by then and the shelf stock will have the final models in, rather than the Warpath stopgap.

**pretre**

The specific part:

In Update 103 the plan was to take the basic troops for the Enforcers - Rifles, Assault Blades and Heavy Weapons – from the Enforcer Faction Starter and tool them as a multi-part hard plastic kit instead of resin plastic. This new kit would have still made the same models, but would have used the different plastic. As we are still waiting on the results of the zombie tooling, we are now past the point where we can get this tooled in time for the initial launch.

However, we don’t want to have to delay the launch for not having the basic Enforcer troops, so to replace the four models that would have come in the original promise (the three figures with heavy rifles and one of the figures with an assault blade) I am going to add a free pack of 5 resin-plastic Enforcers to every Kickstarter Enforcer Faction Starter (including the Faction Starter included with the pledge levels) allowing you to get on with playing the game immediately without having to wait for the new sprued plastic figures to arrive.

These figures include components for heavy rifles, an assault blade and a burst laser heavy weapon. They are totally free and in addition to whatever you have ordered. The hard plastic Enforcer sprues will be sent along with your second delivery when they are ready and a standard you can all be proud of.

A small minority of people who have selected individual figures may be affected by these changes and we will drop an email to anyone who is, and see what they want to do. This also applies to anyone who has paid for shipping on their second shipment – as you’ll now be getting one regardless due to the extra Enforcers, so we will be in touch to discuss how it affects you – you might be able to add for more minis instead!

**Black Nexus**

But there are supposed to be more than that in the starter! That's where the confusion is....

Messaged and asked, reply was basically -

There's 5 basic guys with rifles, made up of three sculpts. 2 are duplicates.

There's 3 basic guys with assault blades, made up of two sculpts, 2 are duplicates.

We're getting 1 new assault guys now in restic, plus the bag of 5 wp enforcers (which includes 5 troops - 1 with blade, 3/4 with rifle, and option to add heavy weapon), giving us 6 out of the 8 models.

The remaining two duplicated sculpts come later, but the trade-off is at the end of it, we've got five free models plus shiny hard plastic sprues.

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it would be exceedingly difficult for a complete newbie to modelling to put together.

imho, those that play mantic games are vets, but point taken.

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Doesn't the boxed set go on general sale next year though? Whilst it's pure speculation, maybe the Enforcer situation will have been resolved by then and the shelf stock will have the final models in, rather than the Warpath stopgap.

was mentioned that these will also have restic troops.

**Thraxas Of Turai**

I think that showing the bigger Dreadball models as examples of restic is a bit off. Even with the older KOW "bigger" models such as the ogres/trolls/golems it tends to have a lot less mold lines than the infantry sized figures. Some of the infantry sized Dreadball figures I own have been horrible for mold lines. I have heard of a new mix for restic but the pictures of figures such as the Zees in this thread make me think that it really isn't better.

**carlos13th**

I know this is a news and rumours thread but so many people just seem to be making stuff up when they dont know whats going on. Its a little ridiculous.

Its a shame the hard plastic is going to be late but I would prefer the wait over getting poor quality models.

**Earth Dragon**

I like the consistency of Plague being done a certain way and not throwing out a "sexy" female zombie just because.

Does seem to deviate from the concept art, but the concept art was deviating from the look of the plague, as many pointed out when it was presented. Plague are more "mutant" versus "undead". As long as Mantic improve on consistency with their looks and themes for the models, I'm good, even if I don't care for a particular model.

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Aren't the store shelf box sets gonna have blue enforcers and red plauge models? I think they are getting a completely different thing from the "Starter" kits that were planned for backers which are ALSO different from the Starters that go on sale.

As said, much of the "what we are getting now and what we are getting later" as far as the enforcers go is speculation. We just need to ask for a complete list of what to expect.

**lord_blackfang**

agnosto wrote:
They've seen them, are happy with them but can't show us because they are flying them from China. So, they're happy enough with them to ok them for shipment on a boat from China but they were somehow not ready when the Finance Manager was there two weeks ago.... They weren't ready two weeks ago but they're on a ship now. Think about that a second.

I'm trying real hard not to.

Well, if they don't cough up production shots within 11 days, I'll save $300 on Mars Attacks, so there's a plus.

**overtyrant**

I'm glad there retooling the models there not happy with to get better quality, after all people here said they would be happy with that even if that caused delays right?