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 GrimDork wrote:
Yeah its probably something with the mantic forums. Same way flickr seems to work.

I like the marauders, and I've even started to get used to the supertorso and gorilla arms of the plague 3rd gens. I still think I'm gonna splice in some zombie parts to suggest that the mutation is also somewhat as likely to waste limbs away as it is to bulk them out, and maybe some bone spurs or tentacles. I'm kind of bad with green stuff at this point, so I'm limited to pretty basic stuff.

It will depend largely upon the feel I get when I get hold of my plague models. I'll either like them as is, or want to "chaos them up" so to speak. The other three factions probably won't need or be receptive to such things, so the plague will be my only chance to do it.

The cool thing too is the Mutation rules for the Plague in DZ means that those mutations might actually come into effect (possibly) during the course of the game, vs having every guy be identical in stats despite looking wildly different

See, since I ordered double faction starters and a booster for plague, I had this notion to go over the mutations, pick those models which I had extras of and would be most likely to use them on... and go ahead and model the mutations, and use the models for those mutations when I got them. I think there would be enough 3rd gens to make this happen, and really maybe even enough 2nd gens seeing as there are only so many useful mutations for them. But I hit a sticking point when I consider going up to 2x4 or 4x4 sized games where I'd need a lot more of my plague to fill out the 2-4 strike teams. I guess I could always revert to counters at that point, though.

On similar note, after reading through the rules (and having my slow+agile mutation shenanigans shot down by actually reading the proper wording ), I've now decided that a 1st gen with the vestigial wings mutation may well be the most terrifying thing ever (unless you consider the same thing but plague teraton, then it's that...), IFF he happens to have a 4-5 cube high spot in his deployment zone. Hard as nails? Check. Really nasty in melee? Check. Suddenly halfway or better across the board? OMGRUNZ!

Glad I'm not the only one thinking about winging up the 1st gen.

Hell, the Teraton too.

Question is, what kind of wings to use?

Also I'd be quite curious to see what kinds of dungeon critters Mantic could come up with for DKH. Maybe they'd do up some proper lizards! Plus those little- legged trolls would be perfect for taking a leisurely stroll around the Dwarf King's Hold.

 carlos13th wrote:
The Plague do all look a little like immortal body builders who have skipped leg day since the dawn of time. A little like upside down zombie triangles.

Hahaha very good..

Actually great to see the sculpts, not long to go now! Know some people on here pledged big-time for this, sure they must be starting to rub their hands together..

 Alpharius wrote:
It might be too late, but I do wish Mantic would lose their "Tiny Legs/Giant Torso" fascination...


Having said that, it 'works' OK for Marauders, but not so much for the Plague.

I dislike the sculpting style on both and have already arranged to sell off both marauders and plague. I knew this back when the KS was running anyway, my opinion hasn't changed since. Much more hopeful for the forgefathers and asterians (Freya is a wonderful sculpt, forge guard look fantastic, really really really want the brokkrs to turn out well, I hope they stick to them being lower caste miners with the sculpt design and don't overly roid them out). Those will be the 4 factions I play deadzone with.

Some of it does seem to be down to the concept art (or possibly someone higher up telling the concept artist what proportions are wanted) since we have seen this sculpting style from multiple sculptors now (and the original excellent designs for the KoW Trolls were thrown out and replaced with new ones that led to the crap models), there seems to be some artist or art director or whoever there who is obsessed with having every single monstrous model mantic releases be an upside-down triangle with giant torso and stubby legs, gorilla arms that almost touch the floor and giant fists, see the concept for the molochs as an example... I already kinda get the impression that I'm not going to like these models when I see them, for obvious reasons:

Nothing really all that scary about that, just looks cartoony. Considering that the abyssals are supposed to be based around biblical hell, it is an incredibly tame design. It's quite rare in the industry to have a sculpt that is actually scary, only a few like Kingdom Death and Mierce have made a proper effort at capturing the horror element in miniature and succeeding to some extent. With that concept the odds of getting some waddling goofball with tons of spikes sticking out as the final sculpt rather than something simple and menacing:


.. is quite high.

I find the background for both Marauders and Plague interesting, and will happily buy a Warpath army for either/ both if Mantic ups their game a bit on the sculpting front and sticks to truescale (like the corp, enforcers, rebs, forgefathers, asterians and the entire dreadball line already are) and puts some serious thought about how they want to express the background material in the minis like they have done with Rebs/ Enforcers/ Forgefathers instead of having a schizophrenic-looking model line. The background for the plague and marauders is pretty serious and cool, so why sculpt them as if they leapt out of a 70s cartoon? In the case of the marauders the concept art looked really cool too.

The 1st Gen and Commando Captain are both excellent models for both factions with character, good sculpting and proportions, so it is possible for a good sculpt to be made for them. They're good because they don't ruin the immersion, the 1st Gen looks properly scary rather than just "goofy roid zombie", and the commando captain has a cunning/ sadistic look to him as opposed to "drooling brute".

Looking forward to the plague zombies, I already like the look of the renders a lot more and if they turn out well (they need to be compatible with KoW zombies, so that should at least stop them from having torsos twice as big as their legs), I'll add guns to them and use them as 3rd Gens too.

I mainly pledged on Mars Attacks simply because the thing was so well-done. Had no interest in the IP initially, but the high quality standard of the sculpts convinced me to give it a second look.

Anyone have paint scheme thoughts yet? My enforcers are sticking with the iron man theme, and I'm thinking Hulk'd out humans, Abomonation, A-Bomb and others for the plague. God, I'm such a marvel nerd... Also, considering using character styles from Don Bluth's "Titan AE" for my Rebs. Corso, Prood and the others should be totally doable from what I've seen. Anyone who hasn't seen Titan AE, Netflix is is your friend. One of the best damn sci fi 'after earth' cartoons out there. Possibly the best. I'm thinking my marauders may end up with an albino skin setup.

Call me boring, but I like the schemes used by Mantic for the first four factions and will copy it closely if I can. The enforcers do lend themselves to Iron Man comparisons I guess ; p

I'll check out Titan AE too... IMDB says it has Ron Perlman voice acting in it so I'm sold already ; p I tend to go for anime over cartoons but the more mature ones can be good.

Titan AE is listed as a kids movie, and it has Don Bluth's classic animation with teenagers/young adults still having baby fat in their cheeks. But the story is great, the characters are awesome, and it's probably my favorite childhood movie, possibly clashing with Quest for Camelot.

And as for paint schemes...A-Bomb smash!!! Rick Jones angry!

Enforcers, Mass Effect N7's

Rebels, LOTR Aragorn style green leather jackets.

Plague... Too many ideas, I was thinking Incredible Hulk originally, but then I realised that's too many greens. Now I'm contemplating more Mass Effect schemes, so that's either brown or blue.

I've already painted some corporation up as mass effect Cerberus.

I'm half tempted to paint my marauders in flesh tones, more like ogres/ogryns than orx. That's if I ever get round to painting them.

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
It might be too late, but I do wish Mantic would lose their "Tiny Legs/Giant Torso" fascination...


Having said that, it 'works' OK for Marauders, but not so much for the Plague.

I dislike the sculpting style on both and have already arranged to sell off both marauders and plague. I knew this back when the KS was running anyway, my opinion hasn't changed since. Much more hopeful for the forgefathers and asterians (Freya is a wonderful sculpt, forge guard look fantastic, really really really want the brokkrs to turn out well, I hope they stick to them being lower caste miners with the sculpt design and don't overly roid them out). Those will be the 4 factions I play

Well said on all that but...

...did you just set a record for number of edits on a post?!?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Anyone have paint scheme thoughts yet? My enforcers are sticking with the iron man theme, and I'm thinking Hulk'd out humans, Abomonation, A-Bomb and others for the plague. God, I'm such a marvel nerd... Also, considering using character styles from Don Bluth's "Titan AE" for my Rebs. Corso, Prood and the others should be totally doable from what I've seen. Anyone who hasn't seen Titan AE, Netflix is is your friend. One of the best damn sci fi 'after earth' cartoons out there. Possibly the best. I'm thinking my marauders may end up with an albino skin setup.

I quite like the mantic scheme for the enforcers, but for the plague I was thinking about a sickly green for the skin and a brown armor and or clothes depending on the gen. The Rebs you can just go all over the place to make them look more like the rag tag bunch they are. Not sure about marauders as they are my least favorite faction and haven't given it much thought.

 Alpharius wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
It might be too late, but I do wish Mantic would lose their "Tiny Legs/Giant Torso" fascination...


Having said that, it 'works' OK for Marauders, but not so much for the Plague.

I dislike the sculpting style on both and have already arranged to sell off both marauders and plague. I knew this back when the KS was running anyway, my opinion hasn't changed since. Much more hopeful for the forgefathers and asterians (Freya is a wonderful sculpt, forge guard look fantastic, really really really want the brokkrs to turn out well, I hope they stick to them being lower caste miners with the sculpt design and don't overly roid them out). Those will be the 4 factions I play

Well said on all that but...

...did you just set a record for number of edits on a post?!?

Fairly average for me, I treat forum posts with the same care as blog posts. Record is 297 edits on the DZ KS OP though.

I may paint my plague like my corporation zombies, at least in skin tone. And I've got a cache of weapons left over from that project and may follow SS down the path of making plague zombies into 3rd gens for a proper warpath army (if I get around to it, 80 for $45 is a great deal, but I have so much to do as it is!).

My enforcers will probably be somewhat close to the studio. Its hard scifi, there may be some splashes of color but I still expect these guys to act *sort of* like actual military units and not run around with heraldry and pastel colors shouting 'shoot me'! Some combination of black, grey, and white if I can stand it. Maybe a touch of red tying them in with my corporation marines.. maybe.

Now that someone said marauders with human-ish skin tones... I have to try it on at least one model. I think it might end up terrifying/gross, but that's an angle I could work with Probably keep them to blacks and greys, it seems to be consistent with the look and feel of deadzone.

The rebs? Gonna have to have them in front of me! The marauders are kind of stealing black, but that doesn't mean I'll *have* to paint the rebs brown or something. And I think they could totally have a cohesive color scheme, just because they're rebels doesn't mean they have to be rag-tag. Of course, there's nothing wrong with that look either, I just figure the ones going in on my DZ tables will be professional and at least have a unifying color... probably different off-colors.

Titain AE you say? I watch all kinds of cartoons instead of what I'd rather watch since daughter came about, I'll give it a shot

@Pacific, I would be one of those people rubbing their hands together

GrimDork, I can honestly say I'd be shocked if you hated it.

I'll also be starting a Deadzone paint thread to show off everyone's creations once they arrive in December. We all want to see everyone's crazy color schemes, right?

I'm pretty easy going with things I watch. And yes, sign me up for your paint thread

Even if brown wasn't the studio colour for the rebs, I imagine it'd be the most popular one...

Mal was actually my first thought, but I figured a lot of folks would do him already. I wanted to be semi unique in my use of pop culture, which is why I'm going Titan AE.

Yeah, that's why I'm going for bottle green cloaks and burgandy shirts.

Made me check my record edits. 625 on the rumor thread.

 pretre wrote:
Made me check my record edits. 625 on the rumor thread.

That's a bit different, I think.

Still, impressive self-reflection, everyone!

My understanding is that the original Deadzone enforcers were basically computer rendered, "remastered" versions of Remy's originals, which addressed some of the flaws noted in customer feedback.

I think for Warpath, Mantic need to do a similar "remastering" of both the Plague and the Marauders. I'm pretty much with Scarlet Squig on the Plague. The 1st gen looks great and is the best (surprise, it's the only one Remy sculpted). The 2nd Gens aren't as good as they could be, but aren't terrible. The 3rd Gens are terrible - I'm either going to use plenty of green stuff or just swap them out altogether for other models. Like Squig, I've also been planning to put guns in the hands of the Plague Zombies and use them as 3rd gen replacements for quite some time. If they scale well, I'd be happy to swap in Sedition Wars strain for every Plague model but the 1st Gen.

On the whole, I'll have to wait and see what I ultimately think about the Marauders when I've got them in hand. But I do think Mantic really should do a computer rendered re-do of the ripper suits when they launch Warpath. I think the Ripper suits are actually very close to being great models. They're held back by goofy heads (which I will solve with head swaps) and nonsense poses (which I will try to rework with green stuff and / or arm swaps). If they were done with computer rendering like the other armored units in Deadzone, getting them into logical action poses (i.e., pointing their weapons at something) would be a snap. They're not awful as they are, but Mantic could sell a lot more of them with some sensible tinkering.

I don't have any photos of them at the moment, but I would recommend for the plague, doing a sickly almost Neon Green mixed in half and half with a grey. I did it for some Ghouls and the color turned out amazing, not dead flesh but a very strange sickly like color, I will try to post an image of them if you guys really want it.

Some more pics, courtesy of puggimer on the Mantic forums:





Their manufacturer still fails completely at getting the base disks done right... instead of adding platforms to the rocket enforcer shoes it would have been far better to have the front foot attached and the back for not attached to the mini-disk.

A lot of the minis don't come with bases either, so I'm toying with the idea of clear acrylic for everything.

These are good pics finally. The limb contact points seem to all need a little work which isn't ideal, but I can put up with that.

I like the 2nd gen vaulting the terrain ; )

 scarletsquig wrote:
A lot of the minis don't come with bases either, so I'm toying with the idea of clear acrylic for everything.

I'm no longer toying - I've decided if I can track 'em down for a decent price, I'm going to base every DZ mini on clear acrylic.

Dunno about your location, I've got 200 25mm and 25 40mm 1.5mm thick bases coming along with some glue and epoxy from litko for $50ish. Definitely doing clear acrylic on SciFi moving forward. Scenic bases are great for taking pictures in a light box, but I think clear look great on nice terrain and I've gotca boatload of that coming!

Again, thanks for sharing the pics

 scarletsquig wrote:

A lot of the minis don't come with bases either, so I'm toying with the idea of clear acrylic for everything.

Okay seriously, Mantic, I love you guys.. but if you aren't going to make bases a constant thing then please stop forcing every model to have that damn little disc or make the disc actually work as a proper base.

WTF is going on with the platform shoes on the rocket guy. That looks awful.

Litko is nice, but kinda expensive. I recommend this ebay seller, ordered from them twice with good results. The 1" are of course spot on, and the 1.5" are close enough at 38mm. The laser cut edges are also a lot smoother than many shops I've seen, there's almost no vertical texture.

100 1"x1/16" acrylic circles

100 1.5"x1/16" acrylic circles


A few test figs I tried them on


The TAG was pinned ot the base with brass rod, other 2 were just glued using normal super glue. The assassin got a little too much and you can see a bead of it where he meets the plastic base, as well as a small amount of frosting near his loincloth. Using less glue should sort out both problems, although I think I can solve the bead with a micron pen or small amount of black ink lining where the model meets the base.

So these aren't going to come with bases?

Where the hell am I putting everything then?

I mean, I've got bases laying around... but not enough of a similar size and shape for each team to match.

I hope they just didn't discover where they were in the box yet or something.

They all come with proper bases, 1" circles that the small discs on the figures fit into. We're just talking alternatives for those of us that don't like the style of base mantic uses. They leave a gap that needs to be filled and they don't have any kind of bevel on the edge or anything.