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 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
@Paradigm, I initially though that the £39.99 sets were priced a bit off but if a starter is £19.99, a booster £14.99 and a metal character is £6.49 then you save a bit and get the campaign book thrown in free too.

Still not as cheap as I usually view Mantic as though. The Nexus Psi collection saved £25 on retail. These are not as good as that collection, think I will wait for my FLOR to get them in.

Oh yes, it's still a good deal. I think I'll just wait until I can get the started on their own, and build up from there if I like how either faction plays.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Asterians- Is it the paintjob or just the models in general you don't like?

Mostly Mantic's trademark Awkward Posing, I think.

Love the Asterians, but there in Restic so I won't touch them, Really like the fact that the Forge Father suits are Sprued Plastic but really dislike the models so I won't be getting them either!

Really like both new factions. Probably going to start Asterians soon and Forge Fathers around Christmas "for my son" ... he's three..

So these FF suits (not the Brokkrs) are hard plastic, then?
That's actually awesome news. May have to pick them up.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Something of note for any gamer is the release of the two urban mats, one straight road, one junction:



Very good quality mats and no logos.

Can see those and the terrain being useful for quite a few modern games as well.

Which mats are included in the KS add-ons? I think I only saw one kind of design?


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 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
@Paradigm, I initially though that the £39.99 sets were priced a bit off but if a starter is £19.99, a booster £14.99 and a metal character is £6.49 then you save a bit and get the campaign book thrown in free too.

Still not as cheap as I usually view Mantic as though. The Nexus Psi collection saved £25 on retail. These are not as good as that collection, think I will wait for my FLOR to get them in.

Mantic's slowly moving away from their "cheap/affordable" ethos. All the more reason to recycle my superior looking, non-restic, Jes Goodwin-sculpted Eldar into Asterians. Or use Asterian stats for the Eldar, more to the point...

Miniature Market has Striders and Stuntbots up for pre order too.

 Alex C wrote:
Miniature Market has Striders and Stuntbots up for pre order too.

And dang ain't that Marauder stunt-bot pricey!

 Azazelx wrote:



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 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
@Paradigm, I initially though that the £39.99 sets were priced a bit off but if a starter is £19.99, a booster £14.99 and a metal character is £6.49 then you save a bit and get the campaign book thrown in free too.

Still not as cheap as I usually view Mantic as though. The Nexus Psi collection saved £25 on retail. These are not as good as that collection, think I will wait for my FLOR to get them in.

Mantic's slowly moving away from their "cheap/affordable" ethos. All the more reason to recycle my superior looking, non-restic, Jes Goodwin-sculpted Eldar into Asterians. Or use Asterian stats for the Eldar, more to the point...

Yup, with the price of that (admittedly resin) stuntbot there are some Killa Kans from the Sanctus Reach Stormclaw boxed set out there with my name on them. Using GW minis as proxies for Deadzone because they are cheaper? What is happening here?

Also Titan Games have got a Strider "out in the wild"

http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/deadzone-strider-closer-look.html

Killa Kans are $46.25 for 3.
$34.99 for Stuntbot ($27.99 on discount).
Didn't realize there was that much difference.

@Azazel - I've been using Eldar for Asterians for a while now, just cobbled together what I had and painted up a few more bits.

I'm using 2nd edition rangers and storm guardians for flux rifle cyphers and cypher primes and a warlock for a commander.

Haven't won a game with them yet but haven't failed as hard as I did with Rebs either... at least they actually kill things and score VPs, I feel like I can do things with the faction whereas Rebs were just a complete disaster (The Kraaw nerf was the last straw, and the recent survey drone nerf* is even worse).

As for Forgefathers, anyone with even a handful of old squat models should be over the moon right now!

And about the Mars Attacks mats - I really cannot remember, think the choice of mat was something you had to specify in the survey, straight road or junction.

The two separate mats was something that was done after backers requested it.

*They now die extremely easily to any blaze away attack, they used to be immune to them.

privateer4hire wrote:
Killa Kans are $46.25 for 3.
$34.99 for Stuntbot ($27.99 on discount).
Didn't realize there was that much difference.

Could be wrong, but isn't a Killa Kan only half the size of a Stuntbot? I would have thought a Deff Dread would be a fairer price comparison given they're much closer in size

privateer4hire wrote:
Killa Kans are $46.25 for 3.
$34.99 for Stuntbot ($27.99 on discount).
Didn't realize there was that much difference.

Maybe the Ork Dreadnought (whatever it is called now) will be a better comparison, but we cannot really tell until we have some scale shots. (Totally ninjad by NTRabbit on that) That said it is your game,with a hard plastic 3 kan kit surely you can just make 2 bigger ones out of it quite easily? As Azazel and Squig point out, it is your hobby and if you are using proxies you can pretty much do anything within reason.

@Scarletsquig They nerfed the drones too? The Rebs definitely need some of their rules/points cost sorting.

NTRabbit wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:
Killa Kans are $46.25 for 3.
$34.99 for Stuntbot ($27.99 on discount).
Didn't realize there was that much difference.

Could be wrong, but isn't a Killa Kan only half the size of a Stuntbot? I would have thought a Deff Dread would be a fairer price comparison given they're much closer in size

Dunno. That would be easier to stomach if it were true. If stuntbots are roughly equiv to Killa Kans though it's kind of disappointing.

Well I don't actually possess any of the above, but the Stuntbot goes on a 60mm base and looks to be about 65-70mm tall, and what I read about them says Killa Kans are 45mm tall and fit on 40 but usually put on 60mm bases, and the Deff Dread is 75mm tall on a 60mm base.

Probably have to wait for someone to put the three of them in a lineup to be sure

 scarletsquig wrote:
@Azazel - I've been using Eldar for Asterians for a while now, just cobbled together what I had and painted up a few more bits.

I'm using 2nd edition rangers and storm guardians for flux rifle cyphers and cypher primes and a warlock for a commander.

Haven't won a game with them yet but haven't failed as hard as I did with Rebs either... at least they actually kill things and score VPs, I feel like I can do things with the faction whereas Rebs were just a complete disaster (The Kraaw nerf was the last straw, and the recent survey drone nerf* is even worse).

I've got bugger-all of my Eldar painted, going back to many, many Rogue Trader figures that have been sitting around in boxes since I bought them. I'm hoping that DZ will give me a proper excuse to paint some up, and I might even end up playing some 40k with them afterwards...

As for Forgefathers, anyone with even a handful of old squat models should be over the moon right now!

I've only got a handful of my old Squats left, though I like the FFs in general as well. Well, these new ones, not the Fantasy-goggle ones.

And about the Mars Attacks mats - I really cannot remember, think the choice of mat was something you had to specify in the survey, straight road or junction.
The two separate mats was something that was done after backers requested it.

Good to hear. Thanks for the info.

*They now die extremely easily to any blaze away attack, they used to be immune to them.

I hope all these changes and revisions to the rules are somewhere easily accessible. And printed - not in random spots on Thornton's blog.


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NTRabbit wrote:
Well I don't actually possess any of the above, but the Stuntbot goes on a 60mm base and looks to be about 65-70mm tall, and what I read about them says Killa Kans are 45mm tall and fit on 40 but usually put on 60mm bases, and the Deff Dread is 75mm tall on a 60mm base.
Probably have to wait for someone to put the three of them in a lineup to be sure

Having just checked my assembled Kans upstairs, they are 50mm, 55mm and 60mm tall to the top of the hatch, with about another 4-8mm for the shoulders and spikes on the shoulders, and the exhausts on the tallest (60mm) of the Kans hit 80mm tall. So I'm sure Kans will work just fine.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:

Also Titan Games have got a Strider "out in the wild"

http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/deadzone-strider-closer-look.html

I have to get me one of those... at least one...

 Azazelx wrote:

Having just checked my assembled Kans upstairs, they are 50mm, 55mm and 60mm tall to the top of the hatch, with about another 4-8mm for the shoulders and spikes on the shoulders, and the exhausts on the tallest (60mm) of the Kans hit 80mm tall. So I'm sure Kans will work just fine.

Oh I'm sure they'll work plenty fine, I mean a well kitted Ork player should be able to play Deadzone Marauders without ever buying from Mantic, I just think it's worth standing the Stuntbot between a Killa Kan and a Deff Dread to get a fair idea of how it compares in height and volume to the two before making any price/value comparisons.

The Mars Attacks stuff looks terrible. I don't mind the Asterians, something seems off about them but I can't place my finger on it. The non power suited Forgefathers are nice. The power suits are ridiculously square, like a bad pound shop toy.

Just curious, what's wrong with the Mars Attacks stuff?

Zond wrote:
The Mars Attacks stuff looks terrible. I don't mind the Asterians, something seems off about them but I can't place my finger on it. The non power suited Forgefathers are nice. The power suits are ridiculously square, like a bad pound shop toy.

Whilst I agree that they look squarish (sort of the point) I'm not getting the comparison - never seen a pound shop toy like that. What do you mean?

Stuntbot seems high, i guess it's cause of the premium resin thing? It's probably only fair to compare it's price to a resin kan/dredd or resin dreadnought, but not a contemptor as those are way too big. 35 for a resin dread probably isn't too bad, but then there's a reason i stay away from resin models.

The strider though... 20 bucks, 16 at normal discount sites... with the melee/ranged option, 3 sets of cockpit/pilot potential... i could see them selling the crap out of those!

Well... only if you're dead set on defending the thing. May as well compare it to the thing that it's closest to, which is either a Kan or whatever it is that Ork Dreads are now called. Deff Dredd or whatever.

Strider could be okay, but then again... Contemptors!

Well i'm just saying if it's made of resin it's going to be more expensive. I probably won't buy one for that after the fact, just like i've never ever ordered a single thing from forgeworld because i can't justify the cost, even if they do look nice.

$27 for a resin Stuntbot is too rich for my blood, but the $20 KS price was just fine; I saw this resin price hike coming and added one to my pledge at the last minute.

Given the popularity of Orks, though, I think Mantic ought to put the Stuntbots out in PVC like the Striders anyway.

There are a lot of different walker types out there, and the very pretty Contemptors are but one.

I'm planning on putting all of them in a lineup photo so that people can compare size between all of them. I'll be starting with the Striders, Stuntbot, Iron Ancestor, Wraithlord, Venerable Dreadnought, Castellax, Cyriss Heavy Vector, Martian Stompy Robot and NorAm Raptor + Lynx + Wolverine that I already have/have on order. Then I have a list of others to add like the Killa Kan and Deff Dread, a Puppetswar Enforcer, Contemptor, etc

I can't imagine this will be useful enough to make up for the time spent, but it's this idea see, I had it and now I have to do it, because that's what happens right

The stuntbots are resin because of low projected sales and will have low sales because they're resin.

Still, that's one of the other advantages of playing Mantic, its totally fine to just get a Killa Kan box instead if you want, nobody is going to mind, not even Mantic themselves.

I skipped the Stuntbot as some day I will have a few Trollforged dreadnoughts to fit the part (need to get my monies worth some how and the dread is coming along nicely)

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/131182444/assimilation-alien-host/posts/886251

^ Nice, looks very similar to the stuntbot in design, too.

Both the bots were on sale today at Warlord Games Open Day, also had the final version of MA on demo , good quality IMO, there's the slightest of mould line on some figures but only generally on big open areas like trousers, faces were fine etc, and you only noticed because your looking for them. Scenery is good as well and seems very much like hard plastic despite being sprueless. Box is good quality as well with thick card as opposed to thin, and the box insert nicely seperates bits. Definitely looking forward to it.