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 scarletsquig wrote:
The stuntbots are resin because of low projected sales and will have low sales because they're resin.

Still, that's one of the other advantages of playing Mantic, its totally fine to just get a Killa Kan box instead if you want, nobody is going to mind, not even Mantic themselves.

I get and agree with the self-fulfilling prophecy thing. I'm just not sure that I agree with Mantic's original assessment of "low projected sales" for the stuntbot. I could be wrong, as I'm not really a big-time Ork fan, but my perception is that the Marauders are selling very well for Mantic.

As for substituting miniatures from other lines to play games they weren't intended for, that's what any creative and / or sane gamer generally does, in my opinion. I intend to Sedition Wars away the awkward Plague models. And you're right; it's nice that Mantic currently don't pretend otherwise. Hope that attitude lasts as they grow bigger and more successful.

I suppose the low projected sales thing could just come from the fact that deff dreddz and kills kans exist. Going plastic to match them too expensive/risky but they can't just not make a model for it, so go for resin.

 Compel wrote:
I suppose the low projected sales thing could just come from the fact that deff dreddz and kills kans exist. Going plastic to match them too expensive/risky but they can't just not make a model for it, so go for resin.

Good point.

And the strider services 3/4 factions, whereas the stuntbot services only one.

 Compel wrote:
I suppose the low projected sales thing could just come from the fact that deff dreddz and kills kans exist. Going plastic to match them too expensive/risky but they can't just not make a model for it, so go for resin.

If they had had enough people locking it in during the DZ pledge manager it would have been plastic (or at worst restic), but just not enough people were prepared to lock it in before they had to decide

(so rather than projected low sales it was actual low sales that doomed it to be expensive)

Showed up too late possibly. Kinda curious if I ordered one now.. guess I'll see!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Compel wrote:
I suppose the low projected sales thing could just come from the fact that deff dreddz and kills kans exist. Going plastic to match them too expensive/risky but they can't just not make a model for it, so go for resin.

If they had had enough people locking it in during the DZ pledge manager it would have been plastic (or at worst restic), but just not enough people were prepared to lock it in before they had to decide

(so rather than projected low sales it was actual low sales that doomed it to be expensive)

If the stretch goals were more reflective of the cost then this would be less of an issue.

 sukura636 wrote:
And the strider services 3/4 factions, whereas the stuntbot services only one.

Yeah, making the Strider cross-faction was a smart move on Mantic's part. The only thing I regret about it is the Plague's use of Striders. I know it fits them since some of them retain enough intelligence to pilot them, but what I want from the Plague are big, hulking monsters. I'd rather have seen get a biological monster counterpart to the mechanical Mechs of the other factions. (More the route Sedition Wars has gone, minus the biotech.)

 Vermonter wrote:

 sukura636 wrote:
And the strider services 3/4 factions, whereas the stuntbot services only one.

Yeah, making the Strider cross-faction was a smart move on Mantic's part. The only thing I regret about it is the Plague's use of Striders. I know it fits them since some of them retain enough intelligence to pilot them, but what I want from the Plague are big, hulking monsters. I'd rather have seen get a biological monster counterpart to the mechanical Mechs of the other factions. (More the route Sedition Wars has gone, minus the biotech.)

The current Plague Teraton is a stage 2 or 3 as I recall reading, so a Plague Stage 1 Teraton for the Plague tank equivalent in Warpath, make it happen!

Or other races in Stage 2. I imagine Judwan being fast and deadly. Plague Kraaw? Plague Koros?

 sukura636 wrote:
And the strider services 3/4 factions, whereas the stuntbot services only one.

There's a joke in there

I'd really like to see a stage 2 dog

Given that the stage 1s are a finite number, just the people directly at the site of the outbreak it'll be interesting to see how the big bad stage 1s translate to warpath.

Count me as another one who wanted a biological equivalent to a Strider.

I like my Plague Teraton well enough, but I would love to see what a Stage 1 Teraton could be like. It ought to be something big enough to be able to peel open a Strider to snack on the pilot!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Count me as another one who wanted a biological equivalent to a Strider.

I like my Plague Teraton well enough, but I would love to see what a Stage 1 Teraton could be like. It ought to be something big enough to be able to peel open a Strider to snack on the pilot!

Thats your stage 1

He'll eat up any of the striders if he can get into contact.

 scarletsquig wrote:
The stuntbots are resin because of low projected sales and will have low sales because they're resin.

Still, that's one of the other advantages of playing Mantic, its totally fine to just get a Killa Kan box instead if you want, nobody is going to mind, not even Mantic themselves.

At this point, Mantic is happy just to have people playing their games, which in turn promotes their models - whether you're using their models or not.

Apologies if it's already been posted, but this chap has got his hands on a set of the wave 2 cards:

http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/deadzone-wave-2-stat-cards.html

 Azazelx wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
The stuntbots are resin because of low projected sales and will have low sales because they're resin.

Still, that's one of the other advantages of playing Mantic, its totally fine to just get a Killa Kan box instead if you want, nobody is going to mind, not even Mantic themselves.

Spoiler:

At this point, Mantic is happy just to have people playing their games, which in turn promotes their models - whether you're using their models or not.

Yep.

The business plan revolves around the next generation of sales. Sure you're using GW miniatures now because that's what you've already got, but what happens when you want a new army? Mantic hopes you'll get it from them. What about when you introduce someone to wargaming? Do you point them in the direction of GW or towards Mantic whose minis are much cheaper?

 Daedleh wrote:
Yep.

The business plan revolves around the next generation of sales. Sure you're using GW miniatures now because that's what you've already got, but what happens when you want a new army? Mantic hopes you'll get it from them. What about when you introduce someone to wargaming? Do you point them in the direction of GW or towards Mantic whose minis are much cheaper?

If they want me to do that, they're going to have to step up in terms of quality. Quite a bit. I honestly can't recommend Mantic right now as they seem dead-set on this restic thing and I don't want anyone that I may actually like (ok if I don't like them maybe I'll refer them) to deal with the restic hell that I did. One thing I'll hand to GW, and I'm hardly a fanboy, is that the hard plastic is generally of high quality and easy to prep; Mantic's restic monstrosities take hours to clean the mold lines and bend parts back into shape, etc. Mantic's actual plastics (men at arms aside) are generally of decent quality and cost but the restic and/or resin is near GW prices per miniature.

 chucklehead wrote:
Apologies if it's already been posted, but this chap has got his hands on a set of the wave 2 cards:

http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/deadzone-wave-2-stat-cards.html

So despite big words about wanting feedback, Jake ignored it all in the end. He's definitely developing GW Ivory Tower syndrome pretty fast.

 Daedleh wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

At this point, Mantic is happy just to have people playing their games, which in turn promotes their models - whether you're using their models or not.

Yep.

The business plan revolves around the next generation of sales. Sure you're using GW miniatures now because that's what you've already got, but what happens when you want a new army? Mantic hopes you'll get it from them. What about when you introduce someone to wargaming? Do you point them in the direction of GW or towards Mantic whose minis are much cheaper?

Even people like myself who predominantly use their existing GW models have bought a bunch of the Mantic models, simply through exposure to the brand and sculpts. Though Mantic needs to watch out with their own price rises, because there are other third parties out there with far superior sculpts for not a lot more than their own product. - and if you're already using a mix of figures, then adding others into that mix isn't going to bother you...

 agnosto wrote:

If they want me to do that, they're going to have to step up in terms of quality. Quite a bit. I honestly can't recommend Mantic right now as they seem dead-set on this restic thing and I don't want anyone that I may actually like (ok if I don't like them maybe I'll refer them) to deal with the restic hell that I did. One thing I'll hand to GW, and I'm hardly a fanboy, is that the hard plastic is generally of high quality and easy to prep; Mantic's restic monstrosities take hours to clean the mold lines and bend parts back into shape, etc. Mantic's actual plastics (men at arms aside) are generally of decent quality and cost but the restic and/or resin is near GW prices per miniature.

It really depends. Their first-wave undead cavalry are restic, but are good quality - unlike the gak they've been putting out via Kickstarter for the past few years. Other figures, like the Ogres are fine if you only want, say, three or six - but quickly become a nightmare due to being over-detailed sculpts which in turn become an absolute fething nightmare to clean in restic. (Not to mention limited parts, knocked knees and pigeon toes!)

But yes. I've been playing KoW for a while now (not as often as I'd like) and I've bought a gakload of WHFB plastics (new) and classic metals (secondhand) to play KoW with. Far more than I've spent on Mantic's own toy soldiers. Clearly, if I'm buying GW models to play Mantic's game (as opposed to just recycling my old figures) then there's an issue with price or quality. Or both.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Both the bots were on sale today at Warlord Games Open Day, also had the final version of MA on demo , good quality IMO, there's the slightest of mould line on some figures but only generally on big open areas like trousers, faces were fine etc, and you only noticed because your looking for them. Scenery is good as well and seems very much like hard plastic despite being sprueless. Box is good quality as well with thick card as opposed to thin, and the box insert nicely seperates bits. Definitely looking forward to it.

Thanks for the quick review, sounds promising. Small/easy mould lines will be a pleasure after the Deadzone KS ; p

 chucklehead wrote:
Apologies if it's already been posted, but this chap has got his hands on a set of the wave 2 cards:

http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/deadzone-wave-2-stat-cards.html

Sunavva. I painted up a multi-species DB team for use as Rebs (no rules changes just reskinning) and submitted them to IronWatch a couple months back.
Funny to see DB leaching into these 2nd wave cards. Maybe it will encourage folks to look at buying those MVPs

Nexus Psi has a once-per-campaign mission to save a dread ball MVP from the plague, the stats are for the MVP to interact with the plague as you try to exfiltrate him.

 chucklehead wrote:
Apologies if it's already been posted, but this chap has got his hands on a set of the wave 2 cards:

http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/deadzone-wave-2-stat-cards.html

Interesting: Kish (changed to Aqissiaq - maybe they're modeling Sphyr culture on Inuit people now?) will work for anyone.

Also, Chief Radgrad's broom-helmet appears to have been swapped for an exposed orc head. I never cared for the broom.

Sorry if this has been mentioned in the past few pages, but does anyone know when Mars Attacks is due to start shipping?

Ronnie spoke of it in the BoW interview video as though it is all packed up and ready, but I wonder is the assumption still for arrival next month some time?

 chucklehead wrote:
Apologies if it's already been posted, but this chap has got his hands on a set of the wave 2 cards:

http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/deadzone-wave-2-stat-cards.html

Some interesting stuff there. The Peacekeepers look awesome in both model and rules, the Pathfinder give a nice cheaper trooper option, and the mechs look great too. Some of the mercs look pretty good too.

The peacekeepers are looking nails and the peacekeeper defender is going to be insane to try and kill.

4 armour wherever he's facing

The dominator rifle will chew through plague even faster on blaze away.

I doubt many enforcer lists won't have a peacekeeper in them when their released.

Anyone with incursion able to tell me what following fire ability is?

I'm looking forward to seeing those Forge Fathers available for normal sale. They are pretty.

Anyone notice the Kraaw warrior got a buff? Its a fight 4+ now, not 5+.
(unless my reference sheet is wrong... dont play rebs.)

He is 4+ already, all that changed was a 2 point increase in cost.

Somewhat amusing that, despite Rebs being lowest tier, most of the changes and errara effect them negatively.