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A glossy spray I can pick up at the hardware store... Sounds tempting.

Any good (cheap?) brands you guys would recommend?

I wish I'd known that they'd be keeping the starter pricing. Would have grabbed the Asterians for the hell of it.

I use Krylon.

 judgedoug wrote:

Sure, I guess I'm just feeling like clicking the "new posts" icon is more like clickbait every 7 days or so because then it's someone (like yourself) with a valid complaint, sure, then someone saying "noway, I had no problems and Mantic gave me a massage" then the next person's reply of "my models came presmashed in a radioactive biohazard container and it killed my dog" and back and forth for a few days.
So here I am just adding to the noiiissseeeee

That's how the Dreamforge Games thread has been for over a year now...

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Azazel...you told her you were considering setting her company's product on fire and youtubing it, then say it wasn't "too rude"? I think we have different definitions of the word "rude". Honestly, you could have replaced any Mantic words with GW or PP or any other company, and I'd tell you the same thing-that was rude as hell.

We'll look at it from different perspectives. Their QC was - as usual - appalling, and their CS response was concerned about minutia to an annoying degree "which head?" My response wasn't "you fethers are fething incompetent" but the (true) fact that I felt like setting fire to their product and youtubing it out of frustration with dealing with their endless mistakes after sending them many hundreds of dollars.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Frankly, I was so annoyed when I received my order - especially with the missing books - that I was close to setting it all on fire and putting it on YouTube. (not, not hyperbole)."

And this is an abject lesson on the concept of "proportional response".

Mate. I know we clash from time to time, but a lot of the DZ stuff is restic. So, you know, no great loss.


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 GrimDork wrote:
Hey look SS is still alive!

I dunno if I flat out prefer the mars attacks material to restic in all ways (haven't done enough of it) but it is a welcome change. Mold lines are easier, but not as easy as my plastic zombies. And the hot water bending thing is only so effective. Edwyn's sword keeps bending back to a position resembling what it was when I got it, I don't think restic does that (haven't done a lot of big bends with hot water though to confirm). And maybe it was just my batch, but I think the MA faces are softer than deadzone, but i haven't done the rebs and they're probably the closest so meh.

Restic has a place. Like any material, there are things it's good at and awful at. Larger models with fewer pieces would be fine. (Think the KoW ogres if they were more intelligently sculpted for the material). It certainly would have been a better material for, say, the KoW Basiliean Angel character models than metal is.


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 timetowaste85 wrote:
That's why I wrote "considering". Obviously I read that you didn't do it. But you put the thought out there to the company. A wake up call is one thing-tell them you're dissatisfied with the purchase and that you want a refund and have them provide the shipping cost. Demanding a paid return is a wake up call for any company. Threatening that you're considering setting their material on fire is likely to just get them to ignore you as it makes you look like a jerk. Personally, if I worked at Mantic, or any other company and got a response like yours, I'd toss it in the garbage and ignore it-it's a troll letter. Again-switch "Mantic" for GW, PP, FFG, Infinity, etc and I'd say the same thing. This is a generally poor letter regardless of who you sent it to.

We know how they react to requests for refunds from nkletch's experiences (they outright refuse to cover shipping). Given Australia Post's prices, it'd probably cost me less to set the stuff on fire than send it back. The point of me sharing that particular tidbit was to share with them just how fething pissed off and frustrated I was/am with their products/service. And again. I was dead serious about being on the verge of doing it. I won't presume it to be in any way equatable with Bob's examples of "social protest", but it would certainly send a message of dissatisfaction, and burning something that's not up to scratch has been a thing for a long time. It wasn't the internet bs that we're so used to.


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NTRabbit wrote:
It's a spray on primer from the hardware store which works perfectly with hard plastic, resin, restic and even MDF. I guess if I get enough metal minis one day I might try a special primer just for them?

Maybe you're psychically sabotaging yourself because you don't like the material? I've painted metal models for decades using primers ranging from no primer to GW sprays to Vallejo paint-on to Mr Surfacer spray to cheap-through-mid-priced sprays of various brands from Bunnings to custom-coloured spray cans from a paint store. Never had a problem, and we're talking hundreds of/a couple of thousand painted models through the years. The only material that gives me grief when priming is Bones/Boardgame Miniatures PVC.


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A glossy spray I can pick up at the hardware store... Sounds tempting.
Any good (cheap?) brands you guys would recommend?
I wish I'd known that they'd be keeping the starter pricing. Would have grabbed the Asterians for the hell of it.

Obviously my brands will be different to yours, but you're looking for clear polyurethane.

I'm sure they'll unlock your W3 pledge if you email them. Mantic are always very accommodating when it comes to giving them more money.

Mantic messed up my 2º wave survey.
Instead of receiving the "Rebs Faction Booster Bundle" that I request, I ended up receiving the "Rebs Booster Bundle".

I Already filled the missing pieces form, it has passed a week now and I still haven't received a answer.......

:(

 madwolf wrote:
Mantic messed up my 2º wave survey.
Instead of receiving the "Rebs Faction Booster Bundle" that I request, I ended up receiving the "Rebs Booster Bundle".

I Already filled the missing pieces form, it has passed a week now and I still haven't received a answer.......

:(

You should get a notification that you submitted the survey if it worked correctly and then you'll just get a notification that they shipped.

 madwolf wrote:
Mantic messed up my 2º wave survey.
Instead of receiving the "Rebs Faction Booster Bundle" that I request, I ended up receiving the "Rebs Booster Bundle".

I think that was a common mistake, considering the similarity of the name of the selection. Same thing happened to me and a friend of mine.

If you received the Rebs Booster Bundle when you ordered the Rebs Faction Booster, surely you should have no missing pices, and instead double what you ordered plus extra starter troops?

Edit: ESL issue I guess

I have decided to not pay for my 3rd survey before we have hard photographic evidence of the quality of the Enforcer/Peacekeeper hard plastic sprues. I am concerned that they have been in production for so long and we have not seen anything to prove that the producers can cope with the hard edged detail needed on the miniatures. Weren't they originally scheduled to released around the same time as the starter set around 10/11 months ago?

That's... that's actually a reasonable call.

Could perhaps some of the people who have a direct line into Mantic suggest to them that they need to show those off? Actually, I recall back in the KoW KS PM they didn't show the elves or TK cavalry to anyone until well after the 3rd/final survey.

 Azazelx wrote:
That's... that's actually a reasonable call.

Could perhaps some of the people who have a direct line into Mantic suggest to them that they need to show those off? Actually, I recall back in the KoW KS PM they didn't show the elves or TK cavalry to anyone until well after the 3rd/final survey.

I am pretty sure Mantic knows we want to see these.

I am not sure why they are not showing them.

Hopefully not because of this:

But on their own, those men at arms don't look THAT bad.

It's when you see how mammoth they are compared to everyone else at the same scale that you begin to question things, or when you see how soft certain details on them are...

^ Or their entire left arms being a featureless mass of plastic, or the lack of any chainmail detail, or a closeup of exactly how bad the facial sculpting is.

The first one on that list was the reason for the forge guard being delayed, so there's some progress there.

They're unwilling to post images of unfinished sprues, although I'm behind your idea of holding of until you see proof. I'll poke a bit and see if it can be done.

I can sympathise with them not wanting to post unfinished sprues but I can also see why people would not want to buy unseen unfishined sprues either.

 carlos13th wrote:
I can sympathise with them not wanting to post unfinished sprues but I can also see why people would not want to buy unseen unfishined sprues either.

Personally, I can't understand that reluctance at all. The minis are in production so they have approved final test shots that should be exactly what we are getting. If they look as good as we all hope they do, one would think Mantic would be shouting it out everywhere.

After all, they had no issues showing us the Forge Father sprue's casting issues when they announced a delay for them.

If I gett gakky HIPS Enforcers, I'm done with their models. I'll still get their rules, but not the models. Fallen Frontiers and Last Saga both have miniatures that look excellent so far, and that essentially slot directly in for Deadzone.

I guess we'll see shortly.

~Eric

Yeah, I would say if the Enforcers come out "blah" that I'll probably be done with Mantic models. Granted, this is shutting the barn door after the horse is three counties over, but still.

The thing is there is only 3 weeks until the 3rd Wave is scheduled to be paid for, I just cannot see any images coming out before then.

I am not calling out Mantic for any sort of shenanigans here, but just feel that they could be helping themselves out a lot more. For example they sent out the Wave 2 metals without previously showing any photos of them and by all accounts the quality of the castings is great, but again it is a different material.

I just fear that Mantic will not allow any further delays and this time will sacrifice quality in order to get everything sent out before Christmas. I think this may have been what happened with the Mars Attacks Martian vac-formed helmets.

And welcome back ScarletSquig, people were worrying about you.

 Taarnak wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:
I can sympathise with them not wanting to post unfinished sprues but I can also see why people would not want to buy unseen unfishined sprues either.

Personally, I can't understand that reluctance at all. The minis are in production so they have approved final test shots that should be exactly what we are getting. If they look as good as we all hope they do, one would think Mantic would be shouting it out everywhere.

After all, they had no issues showing us the Forge Father sprue's casting issues when they announced a delay for them.

If I gett gakky HIPS Enforcers, I'm done with their models. I'll still get their rules, but not the models. Fallen Frontiers and Last Saga both have miniatures that look excellent so far, and that essentially slot directly in for Deadzone.

I guess we'll see shortly.

~Eric

If they have them finished then they should show them in my opinion. As I said I can sympathise with not wanting to share unfinished models and giving a false idea of them but if they are finished they should be shown.

Havent seen either of those miniatures. Will check them out.

Well, they did show the plastic Forge Guard. Somewhat.

Update 159

The hard edges are absolutely perfect. It was just the sinkholes:

Below is a photo of the first test shot from the Forge Guard mold. As you can see, we’ve highlighted some of the pitting and details that needed fixing.
We’ve delayed the models so that we can improve the quality of them. However, you can also see how sharp the rest of the components are.

Yeah, not seeing the reason for reluctance on this one.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, not seeing the reason for reluctance on this one.

It's because we haven't seen the Enforcer sprues yet, and we remember the Man at Arms debacle. At least, for me, that's it.

And if there are any pictures of the Enforcer sprues out there anywhere, someone please let me know where.

~Eric

Isn't it supposed to be a lot harder to pull off organic shapes? Isn't that why they used the zombies as a test run? If they can pull those off well - and they did - why the reluctance over the Enforcers which should have been easier for them to produce? Especially considering that I don't think it's even the same factory that produced the Men-At-Arms.

 pretre wrote:
Yeah, not seeing the reason for reluctance on this one.

For me namely 10+ months and the factory have still not got it right/nothing has been pictured yet (as far as anyone is aware, and as far as hard plastic Enforcers are concerned).

Also I was not as impressed by the Zombies as a lot of other people seem to be, they fall short of Mantic/Renendra's initial KOW run.

Considering the improvement we've seen in materials and items since MaA, I'm not worried.

Having both zombie kits in front of me I consider them on par, as long as they didn't make any stupid choices for the other sprues the material seems to be there.

I got one of the defective Forgeguard sprues and can confirm that they're absolutely top quality. Apart from the noted defects and relative lack of extras you could absolutely convince me that they are GW models.

And to be fair we do not get photos of GW models prior to release either (or are even told what is going to be released).

I love Deadzone as a game, yes the factions could be more balanced and the resin plastic easier to work with but the rules, battlezones and gaming mats are sublime.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
And to be fair we do not get photos of GW models prior to release either (or are even told what is going to be released).

And to be even more fair, GW does not use a sales model which collects money from customers months in advance of delivering product. And as far as I've seen, they DO show pictures when items can be ordered, even for pre-orders.

 Daedleh wrote:
you could absolutely convince me that they are GW models.

What, they have skulls all over them?