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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 02:07:16
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Las Vegas
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So, the single employee at the local GW store asked me what I thought of the new stuff coming next week. I told him I thought the Truck With Tracks was godawful, and he was SHOCKED!
This is the same dude who thought DFG has orks, and that DFG miniatures are trying to be GW too much.
I finally left the store when he was ranting about how my statements about how crap quad tracks are, compared to normal dual track arrangements was just my aesthetic taste.
Heh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 02:11:21
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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Well, they're hired on attitude, not aptitude, remember. A big part of that is that the mothership can do no wrong.
And even the more level-headed and the not-insane guys obviously need to have their "work face" on at work, regardless of their real opinions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 03:33:35
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Oberstleutnant
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That truck... /facepalm
Mark, never do something like that to us, please.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/30 04:53:25
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Las Vegas
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Azazelx wrote:Well, they're hired on attitude, not aptitude, remember. A big part of that is that the mothership can do no wrong.
And even the more level-headed and the not-insane guys obviously need to have their "work face" on at work, regardless of their real opinions.
This is, however, a guy who KNOWS that I do like other companies and their aesthetic, and therefore I'm not just a nodding bobblehead to whatever comes down the line. Heck, I told him a few weeks ago that I didn't much care for the new Helbrutes, so he was well aware that if he asked me what I thought of a new model, I'd tell him with utmost honesty.
As for his "work face", he was kind of losing that towards the end, which, along with there being nothing I actually wanted to spend the money on (I'd been hoping they'd have the Damocles apocalypse book), was enough for me to decide to leave at that point. No sense in getting him into a froth over the stupid track design of the Taurox.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/31 20:59:12
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Hellacious Havoc
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/31 21:33:10
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Plastictrees
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Ridiculous.
Now I have to leave work six hours early to put my Leviathan together and play 40k.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/31 22:04:06
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Las Vegas
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Gak in a hat, that's cool.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/31 23:00:04
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Dakka Veteran
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WOW... breathtaking, just incredible!
Thank you for posting.
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Any resemblance of this post to written English is purely coincidental.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/03/31 23:52:15
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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With all the hoohah about the size of the GW Knight being just add o that it made DFG stuff a hard fit... I present. ..
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There is a word for a wargamer with an empty paint bench.
Dead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/01 01:19:12
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Hellacious Havoc
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HisDivineShadow wrote:With all the hoohah about the size of the GW Knight being just add o that it made DFG stuff a hard fit... I present. ..
This size bump makes me quite happy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/01 01:19:44
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Fixture of Dakka
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A knight using eldar legs? Heresy!
And Mark never make fun of Tonka again Ever!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/01 01:26:10
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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The plastic is pretty verified @ 6.5ish. The Lancer definitely looks about spot on for the full Levi.
Now all we need is to talk Mark into a lance and shield arm.
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There is a word for a wargamer with an empty paint bench.
Dead.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/01 01:35:42
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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[DCM]
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It is a bit screwed up that the Lancer is *that* much bigger than the Paladin!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/01 01:42:43
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Hellacious Havoc
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HisDivineShadow wrote:The plastic is pretty verified @ 6.5ish. The Lancer definitely looks about spot on for the full Levi.
Now all we need is to talk Mark into a lance and shield arm.
Well if Mark doesn't I'm sure it would be fairly easy to buy some of the existing arms and modify them to fit the part.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 14:32:06
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Major
In a van down by the river
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I don't have the mad skills required to post the full update in the thread, but holy  :
THAT is what an APC for Stormtroopers looks like.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 14:36:19
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!
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Now the question is... is it similar size to the Taurox? Also when is this platoon commander being released? I need that commander to make a doc-ock traitor commissar conversion
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Night Lords (40k): 3500pts
Klan Zaw Klan: 4000pts
Whatever you use.. It's Cheesy, broken and OP |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 14:38:27
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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This is one hell of an update!
Update #127
Apr 2 2014
A very exciting update!
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Today I have the great pleasure of sharing with all of you the Keilerkopf Eisenkern APC. This kit is the first DreamForge product to take physical form without ever having been produced in either metal or resin.
This kit was roughed in just shortly before the Kickstarter. The APC lacked a lot of the details now present in the production kit and was very much a work in progress when the backers good faith made this kit a reality. We have taken this kit from a rough concept to a stunning plastic model worthy of the brave troops it carries.
The completion of this kit was no small task, moving from a strictly CAD based environment into a real world model without a 3d print or master meant I needed to put a lot of faith in the Wargames Factory engineering team, I think the end results speak for itself.
The final kit required eight full tools and three partial tools, (not including the crew) far more than we first anticipated but perfection demanded nothing less.
Some of the kit features:
Clear windows that have the greenish tint most commonly found on ballistic glass (we are still playing with the tint color to get it as close as we can).
Working doors, hatches and hood.
A detailed interior and engine compartment.
A full crew compliment, driver, gunner and ten seated Stormtroopers.
A movable defenses turret, mounted to a gantry, it provides a full 360 protection against unwanted guests.
Wheels that roll around the fixed center hub and a linked front set that simulates real world steering.
TPE a soft plastic tires.
What you see in these images are essentially T2, we have some very minor tweaking to do and some texture to add to the non-slip pads on the top deck and inside of the rear egress hatch.
As we draw closer to the conclusion of this Kickstarter, I must thank the backers again for all the understanding you have given while we worked hard to provide you with the best platic sci-fi kits possible.
The Process:
This process is more often a negotiation than “Here are my files, make them”.
The artist provides the models, WGF works on the mold split and sends me back sample files to review and approve, and sometimes I am not happy with the way the model needed to be modified to make it work in hard tooling. I make suggestions and we take another run at it. We split the model up differently or separate a component from the mesh and see if they can get a model to work in hard tooling and still meet my requirements.
Sometimes we cannot, and I need to compromise, sometimes we can, with a simple change it all works out. The negotiation process between the engineers and the client is something that happens with every kit, we can take as many as three runs at a single model before we have exhausted the options.
Just to give you an idea of what it takes to make a kit like the APC; the time and resources required for such a large and complicated kit requires the dedicated effort of a skilled engineering staff many weeks of concentrated effort.The APC’s tool cost at retail would have been roughly 1/3 the total amount raised by the Kickstarter. The sheer number of tools required to complete the entire Kickstarter is staggering, by the time we have completed this project, the currents estimates are that we will have created 90+ tool sets for the 90+ unique sprues. To date, we have created 75 tools, averaging 1.25 tool per week since the Kickstarter closed. That is a very respectable average if not an amazing one when you consider the process and everything that goes into finalizing each kit.
I know that you are pleased with the quality of the kits, I appreciate your trust and investment in DreamForge-Games. We are lucky to have a partner like Wargames Factory to skillfully execute my vision.
What has been done what is remaining:
Items that have made it all the way through tooling-
All the 15mm kits have been completed, these were not simple scale downs, every component needed to be handled and changed in CAD.
15mm Mortis: Complete
15mm Nova Cannon: Complete
15mm Mauler claw right arm: Complete
15mm Mauler claw left arm: Complete
15mm HEL cannon: Complete
15mm Left Vulkan: Complete
APC: Complete
Mold splits for the vast majority of the infantry, are complete but I am in that negotiation phase I spoke of earlier to see if we cannot improve the form fit and appearance of some of these kits.
The Zeus/Loki and Stuka Zu Fuss are in engineering.
The Command Squad is in engineering.
The Black Widows have not yet hit engineering while I fidget with them a bit more to make sure I am happy with the kit. I will complete these and have them to them once they have completed the mold splits of the command squad.
Speaking of the Command Squad, I have a preview of that kit. I have made some changes from the renders shown in the Kickstarter.
The Platoon Commander now sports a frock to make him easily recognizable on the table.
The Platoon SGT. now carries the unit flag for his troops to rally behind.
The Sniper teams have had some design changes to make them more unique and tacti-cool with Thermal/NVG. Note the sniper rifles do not have direct view scopes but a digital camera and a side mount display screen to lock ant track targets.
The Combat Medic shown with his MULE is in full dash to his wounded compatriots. The legs on the medic MULE will be one piece for easy assembly and have a base with holes so that we can have it supported on two legs at full gallop
The Coms officer has remained mostly unchanged but I had to make change to his helmet antenna as there would have been issues with direction of pull. The Coms officer will also include a MULE to aid in transport of his coms gear
The Forward Observer team remains unchanged from what you saw during the Kickstarter. The FO team will also include a MULE to allow them to pack up the designator and coms relay and remain mobile units on the tabletop.
Thank you again!
Mark-
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 14:40:43
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Major
In a van down by the river
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My guesstimate is that it's a tiny bit shorter than the Taurox, but noticeably longer. I base this on GW stormtroopers being roughly to the shoulders to DFG's (which could be wrong) and the way the DFG trooper comes up about halfway on the APC. Lacking solid measurements of either (which Mark could fix for the APC, of course) I would say they're probably in the same ballpark as each other.
EDIT: Also, if those APCs don't fly off the shelves, there is no justice in this world.  If I wasn't so horribly, horribly behind on the mountain of plastic in my house (that grows ever bigger), I'd be kicking myself for only getting 5.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 14:43:30
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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i REALLY like the gun mount being able to swivel and hit things in close
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 14:49:41
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Calm Celestian
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Stunning!!! Congratulations Mark, that's quite an achievement.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 14:50:52
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Can't wait for the APC  Any idea on when it will be ready for retail? I didn't get one in the campaign :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 14:53:46
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Fresh-Faced Inquisitorial Acolyte
Atlanta,Ga
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Now that is a damn apc so good .Wait I only ordered 3 dang time to get out the credit card.
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60000Salamanders : 50000
guard/inquistion
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 15:22:26
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Fixture of Dakka
Bathing in elitist French expats fumes
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*collapses on the floor in a frothing mess*
Where the hell is that coupon! I swear, I need one of those command teams now, and a few APCs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 15:32:26
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Mathieu Raymond wrote:*collapses on the floor in a frothing mess*
Where the hell is that coupon! I swear, I need one of those command teams now, and a few APCs.
agreed, i stupidly passed on the infantry and now this gak shows up....for the love of all things holy please stop punishing me for the poor choices I made and take my money
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 16:09:55
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Fixture of Dakka
drinking ale on the ground like russ intended
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That APC is going to overheat without a grill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 16:13:17
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Dankhold Troggoth
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Bladaia, fantastic work! Love the closeup on the Mortis, you're weathered armor look is fantastic
The update is really good, I actually thought the APC was painted! The black tires give that effect  . That thing is a beast!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 16:20:00
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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It doesn't use an internal combustion engine, so no air cooling is required.
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 16:25:00
Subject: DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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I think it still needs a grill just to make it look meaner
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 16:48:13
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Nah. In the first place, the grill on nearly all modern cars is for appearance. The actual needed area to properly ventilate the radiator is MUCH smaller than what the grill allows, and alternative ways to get airflow would certainly be something I'd work into the design of a vehicle that is going to be shot at. Secondly, if it has some other means of cooling, a liquid cooling system, for example, you certainly wouldn't need any grill at all, and again, the added complexity of such a design my come out ahead when you consider bullets coming towards the vehicle at high speed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/04/02 16:54:11
Subject: Re:DreamForge-Games- Official News and Rumors Thread (Valkir powered armor preview Pg 87)
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Hellacious Havoc
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shade1313 wrote:
Nah. In the first place, the grill on nearly all modern cars is for appearance. The actual needed area to properly ventilate the radiator is MUCH smaller than what the grill allows, and alternative ways to get airflow would certainly be something I'd work into the design of a vehicle that is going to be shot at. Secondly, if it has some other means of cooling, a liquid cooling system, for example, you certainly wouldn't need any grill at all, and again, the added complexity of such a design my come out ahead when you consider bullets coming towards the vehicle at high speed.
While I agree that it is completely feasible that you wouldn't need the grill, many modern cars need all of that air flow especially more powerful engines like the ones required to move very heavy armored trucks. Also liquid cooling system is what 95% of the vehicles on the market already employ.
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