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So ECHOES OF DEATH is, for now, GENCON only?

I really would like to pick that up...somehow, eventually!

Gencon releases normally go on the store a week or 2 later as it’s plastic he probably had a decent amount done.

From the comments Gencon releases seem to be

Cycloid Armor
Death High White Speaker
Echoes of Death
Sci-Fi Saviour

Cycloid Armor is probably Sunstalker

I don't know if this is a custom board for the demo, or the plastic boards we'll get if we pledged for one, or bits included in the black knight expansion... but dang, that board looks pretty cool.

I will be shocked (and delighted) if the BK expansion contains that much terrain.

We know the Black Knight will have all those statues for the fight, but my guess is it'll be the typical punch board.

I know there were other shots of 3D terrain that looks like it fits into the squares on those boards. Really interesting stuff.

Has anyone played this? It almost looks like work in progress on the long planned / rumored dungeon crawler game.

Yeah, I had expected cardboard, too. Same with the Labyrinth

ecurtz wrote:
Has anyone played this? It almost looks like work in progress on the long planned / rumored dungeon crawler game.

Pretty sure it’s the Black Knight expansion. Looks like the dog Knight there in the lower right.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Pretty sure it’s the Black Knight expansion. Looks like the dog Knight there in the lower right.

That seems like too much feature creep even for Poots. The working theory is this is just a display board for GenCon then? Because I want that terrain...

ecurtz wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Pretty sure it’s the Black Knight expansion. Looks like the dog Knight there in the lower right.

That seems like too much feature creep even for Poots. The working theory is this is just a display board for GenCon then? Because I want that terrain...

Pretty sure those statues are the ones you bounce off of iirc. I’d imagine it’s just a display board, but he may offer an ultra expensive resin version sometime down the line, but I’d be surprised.

still, that's a lot of cardboard tiles in one expansion! And I love the model. Will have to pick it up if the PM opens up again.

When is KDM shop get updated with gencon releases again?

 DaveC wrote:
Gencon releases normally go on the store a week or 2 later as it’s plastic he probably had a decent amount done.

From the comments Gencon releases seem to be

Cycloid Armor
Death High White Speaker
Echoes of Death
Sci-Fi Saviour

to quote myself

yeah Cycloid Armour is not new ignore

Prices for the rest

$25 Death High White Speaker (photoresin)
$60 Echoes of Death
$25 Sci-Fi Savior (resin) Marked as Gen Con exclusive on the price list the others aren't but all the Sci-Fi minis are marked that way and they have had limited release after Gen Con.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
When is KDM shop get updated with gencon releases again?

A week or so after Gencon is what they said. No specific date.

I hope he has a LOT of the "Echoes of Death" to put up for sale at that time, and that I pay enough attention to my e-mail to catch the sale before everyone else and their uncle grabs a copy - or two. Or three.

I'm pretty sure that Echoes will be regular restock - it's plastic, produced by the 1000s in bulk volume. Unlike hand cast resin where he makes max 1000 at a time.

What exactly is Echos of Death? Are they wanders or something else?

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
What exactly is Echos of Death? Are they wanders or something else?

It's a box of four survivor miniatures that also comes with rules for a new gameplay system that lets you add new Fighting Arts to the deck permanently (meaning to any future campaign) by achieving special milestones.. In the future it'll get fleshed out although we don't know in what form. The minis aren't connected to the rules it seems, aside from the art on the cards depicting them.

That table is pretty damn impressive!!! I got some inspiration from that one...

Purely hipotetical question...what if one gets Silver City and doesn't get lion god?
I kinda do want that expansion for it's contenent. At the same time, I don't have Lion God, don't wanna order just it, read it was mediocre, not really that big fan of a mini. Do you think that one could play silver city expansion withouth lion god and substitute him with something?

House Rules, of course, you can do that!

I'd have to believe that you'd need the content from the Lion God expansion in order to play the Silver City campaign proper. No reason you can't just use the elements of it to make your own thing, but you'd need to go through and deconstruct it to make it work, as it was specified during the Kickstarter that any expansion which listed other expansions as requirements absolutely needs those expansions to function as intended.

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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

1. Generic Classes are *not* part of the Monster (otherwise, he'd have remastered the for plastic, rather than reimagining them by translating their generic fantasy designs into Monster-specific designs.

In the short video I mention above he specifically says the generics are a "creative outlet" and "not part of KDM proper". These revamps are indeed proper survivor versions of those as you say.

The story is a bit more complex than that. When he started doing Kingdom Death, he intended to avoid generic RPG tropes. When he started up the line of 'adventurers' he meant for them to be like the pinups and scifi minis- separate lines that aren't part of the setting.

But when he saw the results, he felt like they were anything but generic, and since then has started considering whether they might have a place in the Kingdom Death setting after all. What we're seeing here seem like the result of that.


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 smurfORnot wrote:
...I don't have Lion God, don't wanna order just it, read it was mediocre..

To be fair, the criticism of the Lion God is that it doesn't change your settlement fundamentally. It is a crazy fight (and a cool one) that is very difficult, but it doesn't show up until very late in the campaign, so you don't really get to farm him. Plus, he is a very difficult fight, and most players are hesitant about going up against him so late in the game (because they'd have to risk their powerful survivors in order to beat him).

When the next few waves hit, the Lion God will be better. The content will combine very well with the First Hero expansion- you can start your settlement out late enough to fight him early on (and not feel like you're risking a settlement that you built up over the past 20 sessions).

And, of course, the Silver city promises to derail the campaign and turn it into a Lion God fest.

Rumour from Gen Con is that Gamblers Chest won’t be ready until Q3 2019 and wave 4 sometime in 2020

 DaveC wrote:
Rumour from Gen Con is that Gamblers Chest won’t be ready until Q3 2019 and wave 4 sometime in 2020

I'd like Adam to address schedule for GC and Wave 4 directly, sooner rather than later.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Rumour from Gen Con is that Gamblers Chest won’t be ready until Q3 2019 and wave 4 sometime in 2020

I'd like Adam to address schedule for GC and Wave 4 directly, sooner rather than later.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

I backed KDM 1.5 because I'm confident that he would deliver eventually. But I also followed the first Kickstarter, so I don't expect great communication, and I doubt anything will ever be on time.

OTOH, Wave 1 and Wave 2 were "on time" relative to what Adam had said prior to KS close.

Because they were just reprints. The stuff in wave 1 and 2 already were massively delayed in the first KSer due to Poot's perfectionism. I hold no expectations that new stuff in this KSer will hit any dates promised but know at the same time what will eventually be delivered will be somehow beyond what was promised.

JohnHwangDD is right about the first wave being 'on schedule' as per the new schedule.

But we are waiting on Poots perfectionism here- the delays can be epic.

On the plus side, if he opens up the pledge manager again on Black Friday, I'll probably be able to add that exclusive Hyper Light Drifter that I passed on the first time around.