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 Dentry wrote:
Instead we are given two hermaphrodites that are not readily horrible.

They're both girls. The male bits are clothing.

Schmapdi wrote:
If they'll be available at some point in plastic (even if that's years away) then I'm happy. But I'm not sure that's true? Has he ever stated that he intends to bring all the existing KD sculpts into plastic eventually?

Most KD sculpts should end up in plastic as they were intended for a game not unlike Monster. The pin-ups aren't canon, but have found a way into plastic any way. So the non-pin-ups should find their way into plastic with the next inevitable Kickstarter, which from the tone of Poots doesn't seem to be any time soon.

Adam has stated in the Comments over on Kickstarter (the unofficial KD forum) he'd like to see a limited resin release for collectors followed by a plastic wide release for everyone else. Where that happens though who knows.

Iain.

They had 500 of the Gold Smoke Knight in to start with (the whole LE run),

but from what I remember the they had fewer (250 or 300) of Smoke Knight

which might explain why it seems to be selling slower
(or it might be folk had the cash for one but not two new figures and Satan was just more popular)

agree with the majority that satan are rather dissapointing. sure they are good looking mini, but they have nothing that make them different than the other pinup mini (except for that ridiculous dick skirt). The knight on the other end is awesome. Weird that the former seems to be selling better than the latter.

I wonder if poots will ever make a Vagina dentata monster?

Um... as close as he gets to it, Poots doesn't actually do hentai either.

Vagina dentata is s not hentai. Well, it might be, I don't know.

But it comes from various mythologies out there from parts around the world.

If you kind of squint the gorm mouth kind of looks like it. The Grandmother has a toothed pseudo penis. So I assume a more literal one akin to the Gaping Dragon in Dark Souls is likely on the way eventually.

Also now that I think about it the Grandmother is a much better version of the flavor text for Satan.

The Satan girls aren't quite what I was expecting. I was expecting a hermaphrodite, but not like that. I was thinking it'd wind up being more like Satan from Devilman.

Poots has some difficulty with making attractive men. Hopefully that yaoi artist friend of his help can rectify the issue in the future.

I always like the male characters from poots, seem to have the right level of muscle mass/tone to them so they do no look like super heroes.


Love the sculpt for the scribe. Very well done

Sorry if I was unclear. I meant that Poots isn't great at doing intentionally attractive and sexualized men as the characters from devilman tended to be.

I would have loved to get a sculpt like this for Satan:

So, Satan as a dude in a business suit holding a martini glass? I could see that working.

 Barzam wrote:
So, Satan as a dude in a business suit holding a martini glass? I could see that working.

Basically, yes. Read The Sandman & Lucifer.

80s David Bowie?

 Cyporiean wrote:
I would have loved to get a sculpt like this for Satan:

Spoiler:

This current model is close:



Classy fellow with just enough nudity and muscle tone in order to be on the level of sexualized.

Would have made a nice concept of a classical "Satan".

 DaveC wrote:

Small complaint and it's not aimed at Adam he had the resources and the means to get these done so fair play but Wargames Factory don't have the spare capacity to be producing these at this time with KD:M itself late and Mr. Justin from SWM suffering from further delays in manufacturing without any firm finish date WGF should really be prioritising other things.

Agreed. WGF is late on the main KD release, Secret Weapon, and Dreamforge. So... producing a separate plastic box before any of those is very suspect, to me.

I don't blame people for buying it, of course, I'm just surprised at the lack of nerd rage about this

 RiTides wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

Small complaint and it's not aimed at Adam he had the resources and the means to get these done so fair play but Wargames Factory don't have the spare capacity to be producing these at this time with KD:M itself late and Mr. Justin from SWM suffering from further delays in manufacturing without any firm finish date WGF should really be prioritising other things.

Agreed. WGF is late on the main KD release, Secret Weapon, and Dreamforge. So... producing a separate plastic box before any of those is very suspect, to me.

I don't blame people for buying it, of course, I'm just surprised at the lack of nerd rage about this

Poots is like Teflon- nothing bad can stick to him. We also don't know where in the pipeline these were done. It's entirely possible WGF may have had a small lull and churned these out to keep production up.

 RiTides wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

Small complaint and it's not aimed at Adam he had the resources and the means to get these done so fair play but Wargames Factory don't have the spare capacity to be producing these at this time with KD:M itself late and Mr. Justin from SWM suffering from further delays in manufacturing without any firm finish date WGF should really be prioritising other things.

Agreed. WGF is late on the main KD release, Secret Weapon, and Dreamforge. So... producing a separate plastic box before any of those is very suspect, to me.

I don't blame people for buying it, of course, I'm just surprised at the lack of nerd rage about this

Thanks for coppinig a squat in here and trying to fan those particular flames though!

 RiTides wrote:

 DaveC wrote:

Small complaint and it's not aimed at Adam he had the resources and the means to get these done so fair play but Wargames Factory don't have the spare capacity to be producing these at this time with KD:M itself late and Mr. Justin from SWM suffering from further delays in manufacturing without any firm finish date WGF should really be prioritising other things.

Agreed. WGF is late on the main KD release, Secret Weapon, and Dreamforge. So... producing a separate plastic box before any of those is very suspect, to me.

I don't blame people for buying it, of course, I'm just surprised at the lack of nerd rage about this

Well for starters there are probably people (like me) who haven't backed the other two, so it's difficult to get enraged on that score (though I have sympathy for anyone that suffers delays).

From my point of view, because I don't know if they used resource that was better spent on one of the KSers, or genuinely excess resource to create them (and years of dealing with manufacturers tells me that sometimes there are bottlenecks that applying more resource to won't solve), and because Poots claims benefits in testing his logistics which I may gain a little benefit from down the line, I'm ok giving benefit of the doubt.

Yeah, as you say, having not backed the other two you might not care but a lot of others would!

Are you saying KD is to blame for the other Kickstarters delays?

Are you trying to stir up trouble here?!?

RiTides the rabble rouser!

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!


It is kind of a funny observation though, and really goes to show just how far good communication and friendly attitudes towards fans can go. Many, many other Kick Starters would be pilloried for this, but with KD, eh, its probably fine.

RiTides' reputation as a Kickstarter Rabble Rouser (for those Kickstarters He Does Not Like) is well known, and well deserved!

I use his comments to calm any excitement i have for new KS. I'm about to pledge, pause, and check any trouble RiTides is making. Helps keep the wallet closed...

While in the wilds of Maryland and Northern VA we all make fun of him for throwing huge wads of cash at Kick Starters.

HE IS PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE!

Hey now! Someone has to be paying attention! There are actually a few campaigns I specifically don't post info on because I don't want to cause trouble, give me some credit

 Wehrkind wrote:
It is kind of a funny observation though, and really goes to show just how far good communication and friendly attitudes towards fans can go. Many, many other Kick Starters would be pilloried for this, but with KD, eh, its probably fine.

Yes, I guess this is part of what I was going for- people have been so satisfied with KD's progress that even his releasing a separate plastic box beforehand doesn't bother folks! He's done well with PR and fulfillment, certainly . It doesn't excuse Wargames Factory's massive delays on other campaigns, though, and this is just another notch on that...

 Wehrkind wrote:
While in the wilds of Maryland and Northern VA we all make fun of him for throwing huge wads of cash at Kick Starters.

HE IS PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE!

Yeah, this is unfortunately true... I guess I pay close attention but even if that means I'm critical about some, I get sucked into others! Dwarven Forge hurt my wallet badly this month, and I couldn't resist the cool indie campaigns either, so... things were sold, let's put it that way

RiTides: I think there wasn't a ton of rancor because people realize the type of person Adam is wouldn't accept "oh we promise it'll be great!" or simply renders and part splits from WGF. They would have had to make something for him to hold in his hand for him commit to using them. Then when you connect all the dots on the timing of the plastic announcement and the arrival of this box set, it becomes somewhat apparent that their usage of the existing KD sculpts was to prove that they could be entrusted with the whole job. Given the amount of detail and such in KD's sculpts, it would have been an excellent test for the upcoming sculpts and once you have molds made for plastic...why not do a production run with the hard part over?

WGF, in my opinion, did indeed shove some other projects about to pursue and produce KD but that's on WGF and not on the KS projects themselves. Hence, not many people are going to harangue any one project for the decisions made by a third party. It'd be more surprising to not see nerd rage in a WGF thread for that reason, but for the KSes impacted it wouldn't be much of a surprise at all for it to be absent, especially given that 1) Most of the project creators are reasonably communicative/responsive and 2) when WGF does deliver, the quality is where people want it without any Sedition Wars or Mantic-esque "surprises" at the last minute.

Those are some pretty substantial mitigating factors in the long run.

I totally agree, Krinsath- especially with the part about where the nerd rage should be directed, if applicable (at WGF). Their quality does make up for a lot, but I feel bad that Justin at Secret Weapon was catching heat for their delay when WGF was doing things like this. I really hope future product creators can negotiate firmer timelines with WGF (perhaps with penalties for delays of over 3 or 6 months).