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I just realised what the Satan twins are wearing.

I think I'm starting to regret buying these twins...

Surprisingly enough, I don't like the Smoke Knight.

Schmapdi wrote:
*sigh* - more cool KD minis that are sold out by the time I learn of their existence.

I really like a lot of his minis but his business model is frustrating as hell, and it keeps me from even really trying to be do more than a token buy-in. (It helped me stay my hand during the KS too).

Frustrating? Likely. Effective in maintaining a high level, boutique, gotta-buy-it-right-now-if-you-want-it model? Undoubtedly.

At least he does recast stuff. It can be more frustrating when they don't. See Johnny Cupcakes as an example.

I'm not advocating this, but there are third-party recasts readily available out there. Can't vouch for the casting quality, as I haven't bought any.

Schmapdi wrote:
*sigh* - more cool KD minis that are sold out by the time I learn of their existence.

I really like a lot of his minis but his business model is frustrating as hell, and it keeps me from even really trying to be do more than a token buy-in. (It helped me stay my hand during the KS too).

You know I'm not sure that the way his stuff is sold is actually his 'model'. Think about it- this guy is getting around 200-300 units of really well cast resin for a release. Then they sell out. I'm actually pretty mind boggled that anyone can do that volume of resin and keep the quality at all. Bad business model would be if he only got in 10 at a time. I think he's trying to stock, they just sell like hotcakes. He's trying new materials, and offering encore editions. I don't get the feeling that he's purposefully limiting the output (like diamond dealers), its really a limitation of the casting material.

My question is, are very many people painting them? I don't see many painted examples. Are they being collected, and sold on eBay to other collectors? What's the deal?

I've painted a few of mine like the sunstalker spoilered below (NSFW) although I have to KNOW what I want to achieve with them,

whereas something cheaper is easier just to start slapping colour onto and see what happens



A lot will end up saved as collectors pieces people are too scared to paint (and potentially ebayed when they need cash fast)

That is pretty rich with the cloak, didn't notice it before but now what is seen cannot be unseen!

 Alpharius wrote:
It is a nice Mini though...

Could perhaps be used in some form of 'counts as' or other in KD: M...

That is indeed a very nice mini! I love the different Knights, would love to have a display with the Flower, Dung and now Smoke Knights (are there any others?) arrayed on it.

 gunslingerpro wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:
*sigh* - more cool KD minis that are sold out by the time I learn of their existence.

I really like a lot of his minis but his business model is frustrating as hell, and it keeps me from even really trying to be do more than a token buy-in. (It helped me stay my hand during the KS too).

Frustrating? Likely. Effective in maintaining a high level, boutique, gotta-buy-it-right-now-if-you-want-it model? Undoubtedly.

At least he does recast stuff. It can be more frustrating when they don't. See Johnny Cupcakes as an example.

Maybe - but it doesn't need to be a "high-level boutique" to be successful. I hate being forced to jump through hoops to give people money. It'd be fine if he did the super-limited resin special editions followed by plastics in normal packaging. (Especially since he's proved able to do high quality plastics affordably).

There are plenty of people who want to buy KD minis that can't. This leads to the recaster and Ebay scalper problem.

 Pacific wrote:
That is indeed a very nice mini! I love the different Knights, would love to have a display with the Flower, Dung and now Smoke Knights (are there any others?) arrayed on it.

There is also the Storm Knight
http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/collections/sold-out/products/storm-knight




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Schmapdi wrote:

Maybe - but it doesn't need to be a "high-level boutique" to be successful. I hate being forced to jump through hoops to give people money. It'd be fine if he did the super-limited resin special editions followed by plastics in normal packaging. (Especially since he's proved able to do high quality plastics affordably).

That's what the KS is about. The plastics are something that took a lot of capital, the resin is very low cost (IE just the sculpts). He will have the plastic available at some point, but not until the KS is completely fulfillied.

The Pinups plastic box was an exception, and was a WGF prize (they use that to show their quality)

And damn good quality it was. I'm still gushing over the details on those miniatures.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
And damn good quality it was. I'm still gushing over the details on those miniatures.

Haven't put mine together yet, to be honest, most of my KD stuff is still safe in the little collector boxes where I (and other people) cannot break them. When I get my Tablewar case setup properly for them I'll magnetise and transfer them across for semi-permanent display and safety.

Well, the Satan certainly surprised me! I did not expect a pair of wicked females, one possibly... "it's a trap!" The tongue armor is really... I don't think Berserk has done anything like that yet?
You could really paint the twins up as very glossy and slimy, and "fetish"... ya im going to stop as the internet has made be unshakeable but I can still be surprised. TONGUES!

The Gold Smoke Knight is really cool, a Soul Caliber style Kingdom Death game with a third person adventure mode would really rock! Playing as a Great Game Hunter or starting as a deprived... or just play Dark Souls!

Poots doesn't do traps. Fortunately.

 Breotan wrote:
Poots doesn't do futanari. Fortunately.

Not yet at least.

Edited for friendliness.

Please do not use that word. It is very offensive and totally uncalled for in the context of this discussion.

Personally, I find the flavour text for Satan to be really neat and fitting within the Kingdom Death world but fail to see the connection between the fluff and the models (as well executed as they are).

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Schmapdi wrote:

Maybe - but it doesn't need to be a "high-level boutique" to be successful. I hate being forced to jump through hoops to give people money. It'd be fine if he did the super-limited resin special editions followed by plastics in normal packaging. (Especially since he's proved able to do high quality plastics affordably).

That's what the KS is about. The plastics are something that took a lot of capital, the resin is very low cost (IE just the sculpts). He will have the plastic available at some point, but not until the KS is completely fulfillied.

If they'll be available at some point in plastic (even if that's years away) then I'm happy. But I'm not sure that's true? Has he ever stated that he intends to bring all the existing KD sculpts into plastic eventually?

Having said all that, the 'tongue armor' could be this lines' "That's no moon..." moment...

I would have appreciated if it were a little more built in to be part of the girls' bodies.

I'm in the camp of the "Love the idea behind his Satan, but fail to see it in the model itself", but oh well, I wasn't going to buy it anyways. That said, I'm excited to see the big update we're supposed to get this week. I do love the Gold Smoke Knight, but that's no surprise, he hasn't made a single Knight yet that I don't like. I've just got to wait for the Smoke and Storm Knights to be in plastic way later down the road!

Gasmasked Mook wrote:
Please do not use that word. It is very offensive and totally uncalled for in the context of this discussion.

I disagree. It's a standard term/theme in anime and anime is what KD is styled on. As for offensive, you might want to leave the thread because nearly everything Poots does is offensive. That's right, nearly the entire KD line is overtly offensive. That's the nature of his work so please don't come in here applying selective outrage when a people start talking about some specific item you don't like. Thought police - now that's offensive!

 Breotan wrote:

Gasmasked Mook wrote:
Please do not use that word. It is very offensive and totally uncalled for in the context of this discussion.

I disagree. It's a standard term/theme in anime and anime is what KD is styled on. As for offensive, you might want to leave the thread because nearly everything Poots does is offensive. That's right, nearly the entire KD line is overtly offensive. That's the nature of his work so please don't come in here applying selective outrage when a people start talking about some specific item you don't like. Thought police - now that's offensive!

The Kingdom Death line isn't offensive. It's grotesque. It looks weird and makes people uncomfortable. You could argue that the sexist nature of the pinups is offensive to some. But if you're trying to say that a model like the Wet Nurse is offensive than you're likely misusing the word. You'll notice Mook was not saying the model was offensive, only the language some people are using to discuss the model.

The term "trap" however, is offensive. Trap is a derogatory term for a transgender or transsexual person. And I should add, unlike the Wet Nurse, such people actually exist in the world. It implies that a person who was born as one sex but identifies with another is actively trying to deceive other people, not trying to make their physical identity match up with their mental identity. In this specific case, calling the model a trap implies that a person who was born with large breasts and a penis is actively trying to "trap" people by attracting others with their large breasts and only later revealing that they have a penis.

Yes, there are characters in anime (and elsewhere) that do actively try to deceive. And there are artists who draw characters with the intent to deceive. Feel free to refer to such things as traps. But to use the term trap as a blanket word to refer to anyone who looks feminine yet has a penis is offensive.

Out of curiousity, what would a nonoffensive term for a person with large breasts and a penis be? Transgender/transexual is not really descriptive enough for this specific case. Also, we aren't actually talking about a trans-anything, but an individual that can be whatever gender it desires.

Would the term "futa" be acceptable? Considering the influences KD has(manga such as Berserk), I think this may to be the best term to avoid hurt feelings.

 Breotan wrote:

Gasmasked Mook wrote:
Please do not use that word. It is very offensive and totally uncalled for in the context of this discussion.

I disagree. It's a standard term/theme in anime and anime is what KD is styled on. As for offensive, you might want to leave the thread because nearly everything Poots does is offensive. That's right, nearly the entire KD line is overtly offensive. That's the nature of his work so please don't come in here applying selective outrage when a people start talking about some specific item you don't like. Thought police - now that's offensive!

I believe they taking issue with referring to calling trans people "traps", not any issues with the models/sculpts. But you know, those thought police, always making polite requests to not use homophobic/transphobic terms.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Out of curiousity, what would a nonoffensive term for a person with large breasts and a penis be? Transgender/transexual is not really descriptive enough for this specific case. Also, we aren't actually talking about a trans-anything, but an individual that can be whatever gender it desires.

Would the term "futa" be acceptable? Considering the influences KD has(manga such as Berserk), I think this may to be the best term to avoid hurt feelings.

Within the anime terms (of which I'm only vaguely familiar) futa seems to be a much more polite term. From what I can tell, futa stems directly from the Japanese word for hermaphroditism so if you're trying to respect the anime/manga influences, I would go with that. Personally, I'll stick to calling the model a hermaphrodite (at least canonically. The model itself is a pretty poor representation).

Bossk_Hogg wrote:
I believe they taking issue with referring to calling trans people "traps", not any issues with the models/sculpts.

Never did that. You need to invent things out of whole cloth to make that connection.

Bossk_Hogg wrote:
But you know, those thought police, always making polite requests to not use homophobic/transphobic terms.

The word is not anythingphobic but if you need to believe it is, I suggest you to look at the bottom-right corner of any of my posts and click that little [Ignore (/)] button. In fact, with liberal use of that button, you can rest assured your little corner of the internet can remain pure as the wind driven snow. Then again, if you're that easily offended, why are you in a thread where giant penis monsters pop up now and again as part of the discussion?

 Breotan wrote:

Bossk_Hogg wrote:
I believe they taking issue with referring to calling trans people "traps", not any issues with the models/sculpts.

Never did that. You need to invent things out of whole cloth to make that connection.

Bossk_Hogg wrote:
But you know, those thought police, always making polite requests to not use homophobic/transphobic terms.

The word is not anythingphobic but if you need to believe it is, I suggest you to look at the bottom-right corner of any of my posts and click that little [Ignore (/)] button. In fact, with liberal use of that button, you can rest assured your little corner of the internet can remain pure as the wind driven snow. Then again, if you're that easily offended, why are you in a thread where giant penis monsters pop up now and again as part of the discussion?

Internet tuff guy saves world from PC police! Film at 11.

Thanks for confirming you're just a stereotypical chest thumping dick. But hey, we're in a thread with penis monsters, so anything goes. Anyone know any good racist jokes?

I don't think this particular avenue we've wondered down is really terribly relevant to the immediate topic at hand or one that's really worth oursuing any further, so let;s drop this tangent now please.

Thanks.

Really surprised to see the Gold Smoke Knight still in stock. Not as surprising as White Speaker Nico and the Non-pinup Female Great Game Hunter though.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Really surprised to see the Gold Smoke Knight still in stock. Not as surprising as White Speaker Nico and the Non-pinup Female Great Game Hunter though.

We'll, the Gold Smoke Knight isn't exactly the sexiest fellow on the planet, is he? I mean if beer guts were sexy, GW would sell a lot more Ogres.

At first glance I actually thought the Gold Smoke Knight was Satan and that the twins were something else.

Maybe this is a very Kingdom Death thing? I'm not talking cheesecake here, but rather the subversion of expectations. Most of us it seems were picturing the KD Satan as something more akin to the Dragon God, I'd imagine, or perhaps something very depraved and vile that would be aesthetically repulsive (read: ugly). Instead we are given two hermaphrodites that are not readily horrible.

If that was the intention, then kudos.

I'm probably going to purchase them now and hope they grow on me. They can always be resold later if that doesn't happen.

 Breotan wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Really surprised to see the Gold Smoke Knight still in stock. Not as surprising as White Speaker Nico and the Non-pinup Female Great Game Hunter though.

We'll, the Gold Smoke Knight isn't exactly the sexiest fellow on the planet, is he? I mean if beer guts were sexy, GW would sell a lot more Ogres.

That may be part of it, but I seem to remember the previous Smoke Knight selling out rather quickly. It seems like his latest monster releases(Chosen and now the Gold Smoke Knight) don't seem to sell as fast.