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"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ

I can't imagine its good, personally I hope he turned to Chaos and founded the Norse faction of war-hammer fantasy, if that's not the case hes being horribly tortured. Bad dog.

I think popular consensus is that he's in wulfen form and roaming the eye of terra, the wulfen form should protect him largely from the effects of chaos. The 13th company certainly don't believe him irretrievably lost and they are most likely to know!

Upon seeing the thread title I was going to say to check my signature, but it seems you've done just that.

I've never heard the Wulfen theory and am not inclined to believe it, myself.

It was your sig that made think something really messed up happened.

I assume he's basically doing what Draigo does in the Warp, wandering around the Eye of Terror destroying Chaos forces non-stop. Magnus saying he's in a bad place could mean he got captured or something, but it could just as easily refer to simply being in the Eye of Terror.

 Just Dave wrote:

I've never heard the Wulfen theory and am not inclined to believe it, myself.

I think it in part comes from the details concerning the Second Great Hunt where it

Led to the recovery of Russ' armour from the Temple of Horus on Rudra on the Edge of the Eye of Terra - Codex Space Wolves 2nd ed

And the reasoning behind it being why did he have no armour, because he turned into a big freakin' werewolf thing.

Aaaah OK - despite their never being any previous mention of Russ being able to turn Wulfen (AFAIK), and other plausible explanations being that he's captured/dead or running around kicking arse stark-naked?

Personally, I believe he's captured or lost.

But realistically, I doubt Russ even has an 'eventual fate': like the missing Legions, I don't imagine GW has actually made any decisions as to what happened to Russ, so their is no 'right' answer.

 Just Dave wrote:
Aaaah OK - despite their never being any previous mention of Russ being able to turn Wulfen (AFAIK), and other plausible explanations being that he's captured/dead or running around kicking arse stark-naked?

Well, it's the warp isn't and Space Wolf fans like their Wulfen. I think Russ abandoned his angry ways, ditched his armour and got it on with Fulgrim

 Just Dave wrote:
Personally, I believe he's captured or lost.

But realistically, I doubt Russ even has an 'eventual fate': like the missing Legions, I don't imagine GW has actually made any decisions as to what happened to Russ, so their is no 'right' answer.

They probably have some idea of what has happened to him and will reveal it when Space Wolves miniatures aren't selling so well.

Ooooh, I like your pessimism, Pilau! Yes... Let the hate flow through you.

 Just Dave wrote:
Ooooh, I like your pessimism, Pilau! Yes... Let the hate flow through you.

That was me being optimistic

I am inclined to think that Russ is chillin' with Khan. The two of them basically in perpetual serach of their Primarch Brothers who fell to Chaos.

However it's equally possible that they are just dead... written out. It was in bad taste, but GW killed of Rogal Dorn (my person favorite). They did that in the most petty, inglorious way possible, so they are clearly not above killin off other Primarchs... however poor a call it may be.

But then again, they change their minds all the time... in previous versions it was stated in no unclear terms that Lion El Johnson was gravely wounded and slowly recovering in fashion much like the Roboute the Arch Traitors.. er Ultramarines.

However in the new Codex is states quie clearly that he is alive and well, just waiting for the righ time to show himself... Hell they could all be chilling out playing pschic checkers with the Emperor for all we know.

En Excelsis wrote:
I am inclined to think that Russ is chillin' with Khan.

Khan is rumoured to be on Commoragh entertaining the Dark Eldar.

^ O dude you just made me laugh so hard...
I'mean I could see the stage and the great Khan on it (doing weird sado-maso perfomances)


About discarded armor thingy and Russ - this is momentarily the most popular version on warseer (amongst fanbois)

It’s simple the armor was slowing him down
Russ has spent the last 1000 years climbing up the throne of skulls with a chain axe between his teeth he’s about half way there

Russ is in the Eye of Terror, looking for Magnus to break his back one more time. And Magus knows that, and knowing what horrors live in Eye of terror he made that comment.

The lore says that Russ is on quest to find cure for the Emperor, some kind of medicine or machine to restore his body and heal his wound. And that he will return one day when he finds it, I believe all other Primarchs are in search for that too.


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En Excelsis wrote:
It was in bad taste, but GW killed of Rogal Dorn (my person favorite). They did that in the most petty, inglorious way possible, so they are clearly not above killin off other Primarchs... however poor a call it may be.

This has been rewritten in new fluff, in one of new BL books it is sadi that IF after the battle found escape pod with Dorn's life sings in it. But in life pod they only found his power fist, and it is that power fist that is in IF fortress today. Whatever happened to hi mor where is his body - nobody knows ( so he is now missing like Vulcan ).

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

This has been rewritten in new fluff, in one of new BL books it is sadi that IF after the battle found escape pod with Dorn's life sings in it. But in life pod they only found his power fist, and it is that power fist that is in IF fortress today. Whatever happened to hi mor where is his body - nobody knows ( so he is now missing like Vulcan ).

Really, what's this from?

40k Wikipedia:

"However it has recently been revealed that Dorn and his veteran Space Marines stormed the Chaos ship and were cut down to a man. Later, the Imperial Fists would pick up an escape pod from one of their own ships, which contained the effects of the Primarch when he went onboard the ship and a single skeletal fist of the Primarch. Where the true Rogal Dorn or his body is and what his fate may have been, no one yet knows."

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
40k Wikipedia:

"However it has recently been revealed that Dorn and his veteran Space Marines stormed the Chaos ship and were cut down to a man. Later, the Imperial Fists would pick up an escape pod from one of their own ships, which contained the effects of the Primarch when he went onboard the ship and a single skeletal fist of the Primarch. Where the true Rogal Dorn or his body is and what his fate may have been, no one yet knows."

They have his body. It's encased in clear amber on the Phalanx. They use his hands to scribble on.
Dorn is dead. And it should stay that way if you ask me. That was solid.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
40k Wikipedia:

"However it has recently been revealed that Dorn and his veteran Space Marines stormed the Chaos ship and were cut down to a man. Later, the Imperial Fists would pick up an escape pod from one of their own ships, which contained the effects of the Primarch when he went onboard the ship and a single skeletal fist of the Primarch. Where the true Rogal Dorn or his body is and what his fate may have been, no one yet knows."

And the source of this where Wikia gets it from?

Basically what Purplefood said, this is guff.

 DarthMarko wrote:
^ O dude you just made me laugh so hard...
I'mean I could see the stage and the great Khan on it (doing weird sado-maso perfomances)


About discarded armor thingy and Russ - this is momentarily the most popular version on warseer (amongst fanbois)

It’s simple the armor was slowing him down
Russ has spent the last 1000 years climbing up the throne of skulls with a chain axe between his teeth he’s about half way there

That's what I imagine he's doing...

I think the thing about the drop pod is BS made up by someone.

The IA and the flash forwards in the HH books both indicate Dorn still being dragged doww, eventually by wave after wave of chaos marines.

I know its not the greatest source but i was discussing Dorn with a GW staffer (a fellow fist player nontheless) and according to him Dorn died because he punched the warp core of the chaos ship he was on as there was no other way to stop it.

Magnus' dungeon, perhaps?

IIRC, the prologue to A Thousand Sons is Magnus basically rambling that he knows Russ is coming to kill him (in "present day" 40k). I could very well be wrong though. If I'm correct, this would imply he's still alive in the Eye of Terror and at the close of the 41st Millennium has almost reached Magnus.

^ Wrong

Ahriman is in the room, and Magnus is climbing to kill him because of the rubric...

I thought it was the fact Russ got married and his wife won't let him out with the lads anymore...

 Azza007 wrote:
I thought it was the fact Russ got married and his wife won't let him out with the lads anymore...

He is in the real "eye of terror" then, fightnin' the 5 chaos god - WIFE

If you want to go old-school, there is a excerpt in the 2nd edition rulebook where Leman Russ is saying his last words before dying, talking of his life being "all but spent".

Oh and weren't there hints in the necron dex about a prim arch sized figure in PA being in that trickster lords private collection?

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
Oh and weren't there hints in the necron dex about a prim arch sized figure in PA being in that trickster lords private collection?

Yeah, but that description was so deliberately vague that it could refer to anyone bigger than standard, but seem to hint at a Primarch...

 Just Dave wrote:

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
Oh and weren't there hints in the necron dex about a prim arch sized figure in PA being in that trickster lords private collection?

Yeah, but that description was so deliberately vague that it could refer to anyone bigger than standard, but seem to hint at a Primarch...

If it is a Primarch I think it would make the most sense if it was Khan due to the 5E codex removing Necron FTL drives in favour of a special key to the eldar webway.